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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #20 on: 12/13/2014 07:44 am »
An expander cycle engine, LN2 cooling the engines?  I've never heard of it being done _that_ way before.   Probably as simple a way to run a turbopump as could be done.

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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #21 on: 12/13/2014 07:03 pm »
An expander cycle engine, LN2 cooling the engines?  I've never heard of it being done _that_ way before.   Probably as simple a way to run a turbopump as could be done.
It looks like the "Pneumopump aggregate" isn't a turbopump. It seems like some kind of pistonless pump system from the NK thread, but google translate isn't really enough for me to tell exactly how it's supposed to work.

Also, the LV in the diagram posted up thread is only one of several designs on the spacelin site and NK thread.

I think http://www.spacelin.ru/#!taymyr/c1wuk is pressure fed H2O2/Kero, and http://www.spacelin.ru/#!aldan/c99b is LOX/Kero using a full Soyuz core engine.

My impression from the NK thread is that the H202 design is the one under development, but again, caveat google ;)
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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #22 on: 12/14/2014 12:17 am »
An expander cycle engine, LN2 cooling the engines?  I've never heard of it being done _that_ way before.   Probably as simple a way to run a turbopump as could be done.
It looks like the "Pneumopump aggregate" isn't a turbopump. It seems like some kind of pistonless pump system from the NK thread, but google translate isn't really enough for me to tell exactly how it's supposed to work.

Also, the LV in the diagram posted up thread is only one of several designs on the spacelin site and NK thread.

I think http://www.spacelin.ru/#!taymyr/c1wuk is pressure fed H2O2/Kero, and http://www.spacelin.ru/#!aldan/c99b is LOX/Kero using a full Soyuz core engine.

My impression from the NK thread is that the H202 design is the one under development, but again, caveat google ;)

I think it is an expander cycle engine, but the expander gas is not fed from the pump, but from the high pressure tank.
It seems to be a new concept, but not an advanced one.

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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #23 on: 12/14/2014 02:19 am »

Also noticeable is that 2 stages adopt the same engine.
And actually the first stages uses 4 engines.

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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #24 on: 12/14/2014 03:09 pm »
My strong suspicion is that the engines shown in the cartoons are not actually going to be based on the RD-108 verniers, but rather would be a new design, with the reference to RD-108 being shown as an existence proof.

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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #25 on: 12/14/2014 05:04 pm »
By the way, i'm sure other russian readers know but Lin's blog is here:
http://users.livejournal.com/___lin___/
Lots of comments and some Q&A happening in the latest posts.
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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #26 on: 12/14/2014 07:15 pm »
They need to wait a bit to let the current local economic storm settle down a bit.

At the moment, 6-month history graph of ruble exchange rate is ominously similar to exponent.

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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #27 on: 12/15/2014 01:04 am »
My strong suspicion is that the engines shown in the cartoons are not actually going to be based on the RD-108 verniers, but rather would be a new design, with the reference to RD-108 being shown as an existence proof.
The stuff on http://www.spacelin.ru/ makes it very clear this is not the case.

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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #28 on: 12/24/2014 08:05 am »
There is a page on spacelin.ru that discusses their closest competitors a little : Pegasus, VG proposed LauncherOne, Electron from Planet Lab, FireFly ( oh, and InterOrbital .. )

http://www.spacelin.ru/#!aldan/c99b
Needless to say, only one of these competitors is an existing service at present.

The same page also mentions MEMS gyros with ARM MCUs - an obvious step for such a project.
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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #29 on: 01/05/2015 10:09 am »
My morning news just picked up a story....

Private Russian company Lin Industrial talks big about a $9.3 billion moonbase about 2030

http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/01/private-russian-company-lin-industrial.html

very short on time this week.....so run with it ;)
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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #30 on: 01/06/2015 08:23 am »
My morning news just picked up a story....

Private Russian company Lin Industrial talks big about a $9.3 billion moonbase about 2030

http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/01/private-russian-company-lin-industrial.html

very short on time this week.....so run with it ;)

For 20 years Russia has been announcing grand plans that never materialize.

The small launcher might or might not be built.  The Russian moon base won't.

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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #31 on: 01/06/2015 02:49 pm »
My morning news just picked up a story....

Private Russian company Lin Industrial talks big about a $9.3 billion moonbase about 2030

http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/01/private-russian-company-lin-industrial.html

very short on time this week.....so run with it ;)

For 20 years Russia has been announcing grand plans that never materialize.

The small launcher might or might not be built.  The Russian moon base won't.


The problem is that "Russia" is different things to different people. 

For example, on Cosmonautics Day, some politician will usually make an announcement of something big to happen Real Soon Now, whether big budget increases for space, or plans to land on the Moon, or ponies for everyone, but these rarely happen.

Or, some scientist will announce their hopes for a planetary mission, which never get funded.

Or, some head of a design bureau may announce that their enterprise is bidding on a government tender for a big rocket or new spaceship, but this does not mean that the program will ever be funded.

Basically, unless "Russia" means that the government has put a project into the national budget, it's not real.

And, in the case of this specific story, it is a claim from a brand new startup that has yet to bend serious metal that they can pull off a lunar base, which is less than credible.

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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #32 on: 08/09/2015 04:43 am »
BTW, Spacelin has some updates on their page. They picked up this LNG S5.86.1000-0 ( ЖРД С5.86.1000-0 ) engine designed and tested at Isayev as first stage propulsion
http://survincity.com/2013/08/record-the-test-rocket-engine/

EDIT. Whoops, here is the news about the 'first private rocket from Russia' making its maiden flight:
http://www.spacelin.ru/#!Первая-российская-частная-ракета-испытана/c1ifj/55969f300cf2efdf74eaf9de

I kid you not

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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #33 on: 08/09/2015 04:53 am »
Here is one more, a guided one coming up for launch

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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #34 on: 09/01/2015 06:13 pm »
There are actually frequent updates on Linspace.ru site now.

I especially loved this sizing chart of the future potential Taimyr clustered rockets.

http://goo.gl/bqv9MC
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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #35 on: 09/01/2015 11:14 pm »
There are actually frequent updates on Linspace.ru site now.
Love their updates on control system test flights!

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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #36 on: 09/02/2015 03:23 am »
A couple of main investors own a gaming company Wargaming?. Yet another example of the private LV industry being funded by internet millionares/billionares.

I read the guy who developed and sold Minecraft ($2.5B) is bored. Maybe he could start or invest in a newspace company.

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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #37 on: 09/02/2015 07:50 am »
These rockets look so OTRAGish!
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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #38 on: 09/02/2015 03:09 pm »
I read the guy who developed and sold Minecraft ($2.5B) is bored. Maybe he could start or invest in a newspace company.
A rocket made out of sand blocks... Hmmmm that sounds...unconventional :D

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Re: Proposed Russian Ultra-Light Launcher
« Reply #39 on: 09/14/2015 06:44 pm »
And now, staying focused on their core mission, Spacelin signed some sort of contract to test something or other on 7 russian girls working in space industry

To prove that this is a true story, not something that pravda.ru would report, pictures of contract and girls attached. Seems like they'll all be in space in no time






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