Eric Berger:QuoteCredible rumor: Two sources say NASA to announce EM-1 plans Friday. No crew. Delayed into late 2019. Hard to see this as a positive if true.https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/862849532094275584If true I think not risking crew on the first flight is a real positive compared with doing it ... Clearly delay not positive but also not a surprise.
Credible rumor: Two sources say NASA to announce EM-1 plans Friday. No crew. Delayed into late 2019. Hard to see this as a positive if true.
Eric Berger twitter:QuoteAt this point I wouldn't bet on a crewed Orion flight by 2024.Responding to NASA Watch:QuoteOdd op ed from someone drinking Trump's Koolaid. Just because you want to go to Mars by 2024 does not mean that it can actually happen.
At this point I wouldn't bet on a crewed Orion flight by 2024.
Odd op ed from someone drinking Trump's Koolaid. Just because you want to go to Mars by 2024 does not mean that it can actually happen.
Quote from: AncientU on 05/11/2017 09:38 pmEric Berger twitter:QuoteAt this point I wouldn't bet on a crewed Orion flight by 2024.Responding to NASA Watch:QuoteOdd op ed from someone drinking Trump's Koolaid. Just because you want to go to Mars by 2024 does not mean that it can actually happen.The latestst NASAwatch entry is not that that optimistic on SLS. Do you mean Space News?http://spacenews.com/trumps-right-a-mars-mission-by-2024-is-possible/[EDIT TL:DR He thinks $30Bn can get a flags & footprints mission to Mars with a Columbus module for living space and a Dragon 2 for the landing. 6 years because "America is better at sprints than marathons." In pursuance of this sites profanity policy I express polite skepticism of the suggested plan. ]I wonder who chose Ms Rubins from the astronaut corps?
Plug it into a ATV or ESM instead of the Cygnus bus if you need more bang for your buck.In the end, it's always a case of 'show me the money' but I'm convinced that if NASA were to make a competition of it, they could manage a fixed-schedule and reasonable-budget option or two.That said, this is something that should have been done years ago as a starting mission module for SLS. The problem is that the rocket has been the only thing and no-one has been talking seriously about near-term payloads up until quite recently.
A Week Of Bad News For SLS
This is not going to position NASA in a good place. First they have big, chronic delays with the overall SLS program. Then the SLS software program is shown to be bogus. Then they have welding issues. Then they drop the LOX dome. Now there is no way to do EM-1 without money that will never be there. And even if the money was there the existing slip would simply be magnified by attempts to human-rate EM-1, bring Orion systems forward etc. There are not enough people or capacity to take the extra money even if it was there
Quote from: Ben the Space Brit on 05/12/2017 10:48 amPlug it into a ATV or ESM instead of the Cygnus bus if you need more bang for your buck.In the end, it's always a case of 'show me the money' but I'm convinced that if NASA were to make a competition of it, they could manage a fixed-schedule and reasonable-budget option or two.That said, this is something that should have been done years ago as a starting mission module for SLS. The problem is that the rocket has been the only thing and no-one has been talking seriously about near-term payloads up until quite recently.ATV is ended, no? IIRC, obsolescence was called out as a factor: the design was done long enough ago that many parts weren't being made anymore.This is a big danger to a program like SLS, where, for budgetary reasons, hardware is being designed and built in serial. Each piece looks to take 5-10 years to come to fruition. By the time you get to step 4, the hardware you built in steps 1 and 2 is effectively obsolete. This was a problem for STS at the end, and is a problem for the space suits now, and I suspect it will be a constant problem for SLS within 10 years.
Isn't Orion service module ATV derived?
NASA will provide an update on the status of Exploration Mission-1, the first integrated flight of NASA’s Space Launch System (SLS) rocket and Orion spacecraft, during a media teleconference at 3 p.m. EDT today, May 12.
Listen to today’s media teleconference live online at: https://www.nasa.gov/live
NASA Study Warns Against Putting Crew On Huge Rocket’s First FlightA review ordered by the Trump administration finds costs and scheduling problems.by Justin Bachman12 May 2017, 10:00 BSTA NASA working group has concluded after a two-month review that sending astronauts on the first flight of its massive new rocket wouldn’t be feasible due to the immense costs of safely accommodating a crew on the planned 2019 mission, the first step in America’s return to human space exploration.
So, is there an issue with the SLS software??
NASA Holds Media Teleconference Today on Exploration Mission-1 StatusNASA will provide an update on the status of Exploration Mission-1, the first integrated flight of NASA’s Space Launch System (SLS) rocket and Orion spacecraft, during a media teleconference at 3 p.m. EDT today, May 12.The call will stream live on NASA’s website.The teleconference participants are: Acting NASA Administrator Robert Lightfoot Associate Administrator of NASA’s Human Explorations and Operations Mission Directorate William GerstenmaierListen to today’s media teleconference live online at:https://www.nasa.gov/live
Quote from: Coastal Ron on 05/12/2017 03:08 pmJust saw this:NASA Study Warns Against Putting Crew On Huge Rocket’s First Flight - BloombergFrom the article, which is based on an anonymous source:"A NASA working group has concluded after a two-month review that sending astronauts on the first flight of its massive new rocket wouldn’t be feasible due to the inability to the immense costs of safely accommodateing a crew on the planned 2019 mission, the first step in America’s return to human space exploration."Fixed that for them
Just saw this:NASA Study Warns Against Putting Crew On Huge Rocket’s First Flight - BloombergFrom the article, which is based on an anonymous source:"A NASA working group has concluded after a two-month review that sending astronauts on the first flight of its massive new rocket wouldn’t be feasible due to the inability to the immense costs of safely accommodateing a crew on the planned 2019 mission, the first step in America’s return to human space exploration."
[EDIT TL:DR He thinks $30Bn can get a flags & footprints mission to Mars with a Columbus module for living space and a Dragon 2 for the landing. 6 years because "America is better at sprints than marathons." In pursuance of this sites profanity policy I express polite skepticism of the suggested plan.
QuoteNASA Study Warns Against Putting Crew On Huge Rocket’s First FlightA review ordered by the Trump administration finds costs and scheduling problems.by Justin Bachman12 May 2017, 10:00 BSTA NASA working group has concluded after a two-month review that sending astronauts on the first flight of its massive new rocket wouldn’t be feasible due to the immense costs of safely accommodating a crew on the planned 2019 mission, the first step in America’s return to human space exploration.https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-12/nasa-study-warns-against-putting-crew-on-huge-rocket-s-first-flight