Author Topic: FAILURE: Gaofen-10 (GF-10) - CZ-4C - TSLC - August 31, 2016 (18:55 UTC)  (Read 26610 times)

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Sounds like the actual 1st stage drop area was not part of the pre-announced potential drop areas
http://china.caixin.com/2016-09-01/100984300.html

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Expected launch mission codename was 05-53

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Fairing debris were recovered near Shengjiaba within the NOTAMed area, suggesting that flight path was close to nominal at least until fairing separation
http://hb.qq.com/a/20160901/043481.htm

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This apparent failure would end a string of 65 consecutive orbital launch successes world-wide since early December, 2015.  The previous long success string was 69 successes during 1988-89, as best I can determine.

That explosion at Cape Canaveral this morning also served notice that success remains fleeting in this business.

 - Ed Kyle
« Last Edit: 09/01/2016 04:41 PM by edkyle99 »

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Sounds like the actual 1st stage drop area was not part of the pre-announced potential drop areas
http://china.caixin.com/2016-09-01/100984300.html

With the story at 16:30 local, and the photos looking like about noon, the timeline is plausible.

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I'm not sure what's the source, or whether the photos on that page are from this launch.

Very prudent skepticism!

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This apparent failure would end a string of 65 consecutive orbital launch successes world-wide since early December, 2015.  The previous long success string was 69 successes during 1988-89, as best I can determine.

That explosion at Cape Canaveral this morning also served notice that success remains fleeting in this business.

 - Ed Kyle

There are two caveats on that string of successes: The North Korean launch earlier this year was reported to have underperformed and left the payload tumbling; and I'm not sure it was conclusively confirmed that the Iranian launch in April was a suborbital test and not a failed orbital attempt (although the former does seem far more likely).

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30 hours after the launch there's zero/nada mentioning of this incident on any state media while the F9 Kaputnik filled the Chinese headlines......

I start to really think that they want to hide the news until at least after the G20 conference, if ever. :-X
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30 hours after the launch there's zero/nada mentioning of this incident on any state media while the F9 Kaputnik filled the Chinese headlines......

I start to really think that they want to hide the news until at least after the G20 conference, if ever. :-X

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Fairing debris were recovered near Shengjiaba within the NOTAMed area, suggesting that flight path was close to nominal at least until fairing separation
http://hb.qq.com/a/20160901/043481.htm

So this is the "expected" drop area? Within a town or village?
If that's true then WTF??

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Fairing debris were recovered near Shengjiaba within the NOTAMed area, suggesting that flight path was close to nominal at least until fairing separation
http://hb.qq.com/a/20160901/043481.htm

So this is the "expected" drop area? Within a town or village?
If that's true then WTF??
People are expected to evacuate from the drop zones. 

 - Ed Kyle

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Fairing debris were recovered near Shengjiaba within the NOTAMed area, suggesting that flight path was close to nominal at least until fairing separation
http://hb.qq.com/a/20160901/043481.htm

So this is the "expected" drop area? Within a town or village?
If that's true then WTF??
People are expected to evacuate from the drop zones. 

 - Ed Kyle
Wonder how well that works...

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Fairing debris were recovered near Shengjiaba within the NOTAMed area, suggesting that flight path was close to nominal at least until fairing separation
http://hb.qq.com/a/20160901/043481.htm

So this is the "expected" drop area? Within a town or village?
If that's true then WTF??
People are expected to evacuate from the drop zones. 

 - Ed Kyle
Wonder how well that works...
Well, that's problem with launching in China. People are everyone, when in places like the forest area near Shengjiaba where there is less people than the plains, but still lots of people compared to most countries. debris are bound to hit towns and villages once in a while. Which is why the space in Hainan was built.


30 hours after the launch there's zero/nada mentioning of this incident on any state media while the F9 Kaputnik filled the Chinese headlines......

I start to really think that they want to hide the news until at least after the G20 conference, if ever. :-X

Personally, I think it because even they are not sure exactly what happened, at least not enough to work out who to blame for it yet. Unlike the Brazil case, there is no external customer and the payload has possible military uses, so it better to keep things under the wrap than draw attention to it.


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Still nothing from the Chinese media? If anything they probably won't at all now as "announcing" it days later would look even worse.

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There was an official message about SJ 11-04 failure 18.08.2011 ?
Day after launch ?

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There was an official message about SJ 11-04 failure 18.08.2011 ?
Day after launch ?


http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2011-08/19/c_121880575.htm

SJ11-04 confirmed failed on 18-08-11 5pm and reported on 19-08-11 8am by Xinhua new agency.


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There was an official message about SJ 11-04 failure 18.08.2011 ?
Day after launch ?


http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2011-08/19/c_121880575.htm

SJ11-04 confirmed failed on 18-08-11 5pm and reported on 19-08-11 8am by Xinhua new agency.


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Online Galactic Penguin SST

Still nothing from the Chinese media? If anything they probably won't at all now as "announcing" it days later would look even worse.

I'm a day late, but there's still nothing at all.  :-X
Rumors are pointing to yet another 3rd stage problem.
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Hey look we've made the tech news sites.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/06/china_silent_on_loss_of_gaofen_civilian_spy_sat/
Is it true that the images of drop zone debris have been removed by Chinese authorities?  I still see them on some of the web pages cited in this thread.

 - Ed Kyle
« Last Edit: 09/07/2016 01:08 AM by edkyle99 »

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