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« on: 10/24/2011 08:12 PM »
Do not know if this really belongs there, but they are somewhat regularly flying to the edge of space.

They just posted this
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Saturday Tandem soared to 95,085 feet.  She flew perfect. We fired up the propellers and drove her around then softly touched down three hours later.

Gorgeous pics !
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« Reply #1 on: 10/24/2011 08:32 PM »
Oh, and this is definitely "Commercial", as shown by the spectacular Samsung Mobile space balloon project they did.
See
http://www.adverblog.com/2011/07/15/samsung-spaceballoon/
http://space-balloon.net/index.html
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Re: JP Aerospace updates
« Reply #2 on: 01/04/2012 02:58 AM »
John Powell will be on The Space Show, Feb. 28, 2012 at 7-8:30 PM PST.

http://www.thespaceshow.com/

Call in with your questions.
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« Reply #3 on: 02/28/2012 04:41 AM »
That's tomorrow. I expect a good review of what they've been up to in the last 2 years and some hints of what's next.
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« Reply #4 on: 02/29/2012 12:56 AM »
It's an hour before the interview. Any questions anyone has before it starts?

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« Reply #5 on: 02/29/2012 01:25 AM »
I'd love to hear how the Samsung Galaxy project came about.
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« Reply #6 on: 02/29/2012 01:31 AM »
Samsung has seen our work on the Toshiba Chair project. We got the call and pretty intensely worked for it.  It just won the Media Arts Festival's Grand prize in Tokyo. I just got back yesterday and am still a little jet lagged.

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Re: JP Aerospace updates
« Reply #7 on: 02/29/2012 02:01 AM »
Show Time!

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« Reply #8 on: 02/29/2012 03:38 AM »
Great show. People living in the sky is a concept that really sizzles.



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Re: JP Aerospace updates
« Reply #9 on: 02/29/2012 03:40 AM »
Thanks for calling in Trent!

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Re: JP Aerospace updates
« Reply #10 on: 10/03/2012 02:00 AM »
John Powell is on The Space Show again today, starting now.

Listen live: http://www.live365.com/stations/dlivingston?site=pro
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Re: JP Aerospace updates
« Reply #12 on: 12/12/2012 07:46 PM »
I've always thought that the idea was very cool. Balloon to the top of the atmosphere. Transfer to another craft that would use an ion drive to orbit. That could be a crazy reduction in surface to LEO costs.

I don't know how close we are to materials that would support large, long-lived balloon structures in space and near space.

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« Reply #13 on: 12/13/2012 11:41 PM »
95,000 feet?
That can be considered the boundary region near space.
Air density and pressure at those altitudes are comparable to a
good highschool vacuum belljar.

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Re: JP Aerospace updates
« Reply #14 on: 12/15/2012 01:25 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: 06/19/2015 09:17 AM »
JP Aerospace reached a significant milestone on Sunday:

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Ascender 26 Flies!

Sunday June 14th our 26 foot Ascender airship took to the sky in Northern Nevada. This vehicle is smaller than some of our other vehicles, but it is extremely important. It is a test bed for an entire new internal structure and new internal helium cell interface.  It was intended to be a short hop to 1000 feet above the ground. However everything was going so well we let her run and flew to 2585 feet above the ground (6,708 feet above sea level). We had the combination inner cell fill volumes and balance off by about six ounces and we floated tail up about twenty degrees most of the way. It slowed the climb rate a bit but didn’t detract from an excellent flight.

The Ascender is a pretty complex system with four helium inner cells, servo control vents, an outer envelope pressurization system, a carbon truss internal structure, full unlink command and tracking system and independent backup gas release systems.  The real value of this test flight was learning to deploy this complex of a system in the field. We still have goose bumps on how great the flight went. This is the vehicle that paves the way for the next generation of Ascenders to come.

http://jpaerospace.com/blog/?p=6279

I believe they are now past the half-way point in their airship to orbit programme. It may not seem like it because so much of what they are doing is technology development (eg MHD generators) but with Ascender 26 now flying things feel a bit more concrete now.

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« Reply #16 on: 06/24/2015 05:51 AM »
I believe they are now past the half-way point in their airship to orbit programme. It may not seem like it because so much of what they are doing is technology development (eg MHD generators) but with Ascender 26 now flying things feel a bit more concrete now.

There's no way they're past the halfway point to orbit.  They don't even have a credible plan to get to orbit.

They've only done things so far that everyone always believed were doable.  They've never shown the slightest bit of evidence, or theory, for how they can do the part that most people who understand basic physics think they can't do: accelerating to orbital speed with a low-thrust engine.

Lift and drag scale together.  If they are in a part of the atmosphere where they are getting enough lift to significantly offset gravity, they will have significant drag.  And drag scales horribly with speed.  To get to orbital speed, they would need lift-to-drag that is orders of magnitude better than anything anyone knows.

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Re: JP Aerospace updates
« Reply #17 on: 06/24/2015 05:55 AM »
I'd say it a different way: if JP knows how to get this thing to orbit, he's not telling us :)

Last time I heard anyone ask (The Space Show, last year) he was saying he had ideas how to do it, but figured they were probably wrong, but was going to try anyway. i.e., it's a science project, not an engineering project.
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Re: JP Aerospace updates
« Reply #18 on: 06/24/2015 07:49 AM »
I'd say it a different way: if JP knows how to get this thing to orbit, he's not telling us :)

Last time I heard anyone ask (The Space Show, last year) he was saying he had ideas how to do it, but figured they were probably wrong, but was going to try anyway. i.e., it's a science project, not an engineering project.

Even rudimentary analysis is telling that the thing isn't going anywhere near orbit.

The science here is determining if valiant effort warms the hearts of well known physical laws making them look the other way just this one time.

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« Reply #19 on: 06/24/2015 11:33 AM »
Yes. Absolutely. Still, if he wants to try something new and it:s self-funding. Who cares?
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« Reply #20 on: 06/24/2015 12:17 PM »
Yes. Absolutely. Still, if he wants to try something new and it:s self-funding. Who cares?

Having a bit too high hopes for atmospheric boyancy is not exactly a new thing (Francesco Lana de Terzi and his copper spheres with vacuum inside creating flying boats comes to mind). But you're right, if the money keeps coming then go for it. The Dark Sky Station could actually happen and be useful, this ascender ship is needed to get to it.

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Re: JP Aerospace updates
« Reply #21 on: 09/13/2016 06:11 AM »
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Ascender 36 flew to 13,512 feet on her 1st shakedown flight.

https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/775507858414718976

15 months since Ascender 26 flew (to half the altitude of this flight).

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Last Sunday the Ascender 36 airship took off from our new launch facility in Northern Nevada.

The first flight of Ascender 36 was a real shake down. It took two hours more than planned to get her into the air. Instead of the forecasted calm morning, we had windy condition with the wind howling from the opposite direction. However when we got her into the air she put her nose up and screamed in to the sky. Our minimum goal was to fly to 7,000 feet. If all went well we would push bit by bit to 10,000 feet. Our goal climb rate was 400 feet per minute. In the end we climbed an average 582 feet per minute and flew all the way to 13,512 feet. We landed her 11 miles down range.
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« Reply #22 on: 09/13/2016 07:32 AM »
How strange ! Half UFO sighting, half Pink Floyd flying pig :)

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« Reply #23 on: 09/13/2016 08:25 AM »
Here are a couple of recent infographics from JP Aerospace.

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« Reply #24 on: 02/08/2017 06:23 AM »
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Ascender 36 bring readied for launch at Area 42

https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/829139660920074240

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Ascender 36 mission patch $20.   Help keep us flying! 
On Amazon: http://a.co/1ehiysz

https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/829143940829884416

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Re: JP Aerospace updates
« Reply #25 on: 02/08/2017 06:39 AM »
Is that JP's submarine in the poster?

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« Reply #26 on: 02/08/2017 06:52 AM »
Is that JP's submarine in the poster?

Yes (assuming you mean the picture above 'Integration')

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« Reply #27 on: 02/12/2017 05:30 AM »
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Kevin with first inner helium cell for Ascender 9 airship.

https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/830602971100491776

As the number usually represents length in feet I think the '9' is a typo and should be '90'.

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« Reply #28 on: 02/13/2017 07:09 PM »
Hmm, seems the 9 isn't a typo after all

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Sunday the team was working away on Ascender 9 airship. Here's a pic of the left wing.
https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/831230942106693635

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Left tail of the Ascender 9 airship.
https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/831231070955712513

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Test fitting a helium inner cell inside the Ascender 9 airship.
https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/831231245661175814

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Inside the Ascender 9 airship outer envelope. Here's were inspecting the shell before anything is installed inside.
https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/831231843483545600

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« Reply #29 on: 02/13/2017 07:51 PM »
Missed one! Gives better idea of scale.

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JP Aerospace, Sewing our way to space.

https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/831232772018614273

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« Reply #30 on: 03/15/2017 04:37 PM »
JP was on The Space Show again yesterday: http://thespaceshow.com/show/14-mar-2017/broadcast-2882-john-powell-jp-aerospace

Update on current/near-term:

- Their (small) hypersonic wind tunnel is operating at Mach 3.8 (was designed for Mach 4 but can't reach it)
- Over 100 firings now of their (tiny) plasma engines
- Looking to use air beam structures as the internal struss for an airship this fall
- Ascender 36 to fly again in about a month
- 100 ft airship [must be Ascender 9?]  this June, currently half-way through construction
- This airship will ultimately go to 45,000 ft
- Will start construction of 175ft Ascender later this year (may be September), which will ultimately fly to 65k – 70k ft
- Next dark star station flight probably not until late 2018
- Still making progress and no show stoppers yet. Now 4 full-time staff on board.

Longer-term:

- Will be 18+ months until an Ascender crosses 100k ft
- Plan for dark station at 140k ft is not to use exotic materials but to just replace components as required (eg internal floatation cells every 30 days). That way they can use cheap, readily available plastics and instead take the hit on maintenance
- JP Aerospace will look to do space tourism, but only once they have airships carrying people regularly
- The huge airship that climbs from the dark station to space wouldn’t break Mach 1 until past 200k, maybe 240k ft

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« Reply #31 on: 03/16/2017 01:31 PM »
Nothing about the airship-to-orbit idea?

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« Reply #32 on: 03/16/2017 05:43 PM »
Nothing about the airship-to-orbit idea?

It's nearly all airship-to-orbit! AtO is a 3 part system, Ascender is the first part, dark star station the second, the hypersonic wind tunnel supports research into active drag reduction for the third part etc.

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« Reply #33 on: 03/18/2017 11:07 AM »
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We just finished the first truss section for Ascender 9.
Fifteen of these make up the keel.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1224940220888486&id=164912363557949

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« Reply #34 on: 03/30/2017 08:11 PM »
A series of tweets by JP yesterday that give an overview of some of the different elements of what they are doing and how it fits into airship to orbit.

Only the first tweet had text:

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How the research fits together.
https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/847195937717895168
https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/847196417000996864
https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/847196492410503168
https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/847196572366458881

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« Reply #35 on: 04/11/2017 06:59 PM »
One picture per tweet:

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The Mach Glider program is a test series for Airship to Orbit development. Here's a block 4 Mach Glider being launched from a Tandem airship
https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/851862264697167872

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Block 4 Mach Glider
https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/851862706458025984

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Photo looking down on one of our early Mach Glider test flights.
https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/851866677524389888

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« Reply #36 on: 04/20/2017 09:34 AM »
Nothing about the airship-to-orbit idea?

It's nearly all airship-to-orbit! AtO is a 3 part system, Ascender is the first part, dark star station the second, the hypersonic wind tunnel supports research into active drag reduction for the third part etc.

Too bad the "active drag reduction" bit is the only part that really matters.  They need to reduce drag by a factor of a million.  In the real world, people go to great lengths to reduce drag by a few percentage points.

If they could actually achieve "active drag reduction" by the factor of a million they need to reach orbital speed, then they would revolutionize lots of much, much bigger industries than space launch.

They've provided no evidence so far to support the extraordinary claim they are able to pull off such a feat.

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« Reply #37 on: 04/21/2017 06:40 PM »
First time I remember seeing a size for Ascender 9:

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The new keel truss for the Ascender 9 airship (the hundred footer). The truss weights only 21 pounds.
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« Reply #38 on: 04/21/2017 06:50 PM »
They need to reduce drag by a factor of a million. 

Why a million? IIRC JP has claimed the amount of drag reduction they need is similar to what was achieved in lab tests in the 60s/70s(?).  Obviously a lab is very different from an operational vehicle but it certainly didn't sound like JP thinks it's anything like a factor of a million.

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« Reply #39 on: 05/02/2017 05:58 PM »
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The team did a full vehicle assemble and test on Ascender 36 on Sunday.
Getting her ready for the second flight.
#jpaerospace

https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/859464244269428736

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Inside the tail of the Ascender 36 airship.
#jpaerospace.

https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/859465986302291968

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« Reply #40 on: 05/02/2017 06:56 PM »
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Inside the Ascender 36 airship. You can see the nose and keel carbon truss.
#jpaerospace
https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/859471574268657668

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Installing Helium cells in the Ascender 36 airship.
#jpaerospace
https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/859474469756190720

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This is the inflation system for the wind ramps. The wind ramps keep the airship safe while we test. #jpaerospace
https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/859477774813208576
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« Reply #41 on: 05/04/2017 07:45 AM »
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The 94 foot long Ascender 9 is 75% complete.
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« Reply #42 on: 05/08/2017 06:22 PM »
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Hatch down for a live life support system test in the submarine.
#jpaerospace

https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/861645177290604544

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Hanging out with Bell for the three hour life support test. The system is good for 24 hours but were working up bit by bit.
#jpaerospace

https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/861644977381687297

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« Reply #43 on: 05/09/2017 12:51 AM »
Anyone know if they recovered Ascender 36 after last year's flight? Or are these things disposable?  :o
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« Reply #44 on: 05/09/2017 08:21 AM »
Anyone know if they recovered Ascender 36 after last year's flight? Or are these things disposable?  :o

Yes they recovered it:

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Ascender 36 Preped for Flight
May 5th, 2017

The team did a full vehicle assemble and test on Ascender 36 on Sunday. We’re getting her ready for the second flight.

The vehicle numbering system has changed. The transition is a little confusing. Before all the airship got a number based on length, Ascender 36 is 36 feet long for example. This became a problem when switching to metric. Is Ascender 100 called Ascender 28 in the UK?  To simplify it all we gone to sequential system. The new 94 foot airship is Ascender 9 because it’s the ninth one we’ve built.  We are not going back to change the names of the older airship. Upon that path lays chaos. So Ascender 36 remains Ascender 36.

http://jpaerospace.com/blog/?p=6803

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« Reply #45 on: 05/09/2017 12:11 PM »
I read that... wasn't clear to me that there was a disassemble* to go with the subsequent assemble.



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« Reply #46 on: 05/22/2017 09:05 PM »
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The new motors and propellers for the Ascender 9 airship ready to install.

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« Reply #47 on: 05/23/2017 10:32 PM »
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TransAtmospheric Ascender

The TransAtmospheric Ascender will be our first airship to reach space. The vehicle is 2100 feet long and will have a crew of three. It will have a peak altitude of 350,000 feet and a maximum velocity of Mach 5.  Technically it is a hypersonic waverider. The TransAtmospheric Ascender is strictly a suborbital vehicle. It will fly from a Block 2 Dark Sky Station floating at 120,000 feet to space then return to the station. The airship will be driven by a single four chamber version of our symphony hybrid chemical/electric rocket engine.

The TransAtmospheric Ascender is still a few years away but as we get closer the design starts to firm up. Just thought you would like a look at where it stands.

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« Reply #48 on: 06/12/2017 05:57 PM »
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Concept drawing of the Mesospheric Explorer 6.
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Mesospheric Explorer 1
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Mesopheric Explorer 2 being launched.
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Mesospheric Explorer 3 flies next year.
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« Reply #49 on: 06/14/2017 06:38 AM »
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We just leased an addition building just big enough for the Ascender 9.
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« Reply #50 on: 06/19/2017 07:38 PM »
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The team in the V of Ascender 9.
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« Reply #51 on: 06/19/2017 07:50 PM »
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Ascender 9 from above.
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« Reply #52 on: 07/16/2017 05:48 AM »
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Testing air beam ribs for the airship.
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« Reply #53 on: 07/18/2017 06:31 PM »
Generally not a big fan of the balloon concepts but this looks like real work with a clear goal so I wish them good luck.

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« Reply #54 on: 07/21/2017 07:53 PM »
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The team completed the truss structure for the Ascender 9 airship. Another step.
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Closeup of the Ascender 9 airship keel truss.
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« Reply #55 on: 07/21/2017 08:21 PM »
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This shows the truss below the Ascender 9 airship.
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« Reply #56 on: 07/28/2017 07:52 PM »
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Yesterday the team got the Ascender 9 envelope mated to the truss structure.
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« Reply #57 on: 08/05/2017 12:27 AM »
Nice time lapse video:

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[Inflating the Ascender 9 airship.
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« Reply #58 on: 08/06/2017 10:34 PM »
I'm watching an interview with John Powell at TMRO (from 2016)
He is talking about a 60s project that flew high altitude balloons at mach 10 (i guess see level speed), noting that that is a baseline that they like to reproduce.
The project name was something like shot put, however i can't find no info on google about that, also makes me wonder why didn't it pop up like an idea for a balloon launch.

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Re: JP Aerospace updates
« Reply #59 on: 08/07/2017 04:45 AM »
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=33851.msg1150023#msg1150023

Edit/Lar: Thanks for the suggestion, much appreciated, I chose the update thread instead (which is where we are now)
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« Reply #60 on: 08/07/2017 05:36 AM »
Or https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=27151.0;all

I'm gonna take a wild guess that this is somehow a reference to LORHO facility tests, although balloons should not have factored in there. Search for AD863990

Edit/Lar: thanks for the suggestion, AND the mod report, which alerted us to do something. Merged.
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« Reply #61 on: 08/13/2017 11:03 PM »
Lol

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« Reply #62 on: 08/25/2017 09:20 PM »
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We gearing up for the first full assembly (guts and all) of the Ascender 9 airship on Saturday.
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« Reply #63 on: 08/27/2017 05:45 AM »
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Today we did a full assemble test of the Ascender 9 airship. A lot of work but it went great.
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« Reply #64 on: 10/01/2017 09:02 PM »
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Ascender 26 looks so small next to Ascender 9.
(we changed how we name them, before it was by length, now it's number of ones we've built.

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« Reply #65 on: 10/02/2017 08:00 PM »
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We completed the full system integration test yesterday on the Ascender 9 airship. It took 12 hours but the team pulled it off. We ran pump, vents, blowers, valve and both main motors.

The test gave us a list of mods to do but they are all little things. We're really jazzed. Next stop, the float test.


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« Reply #66 on: 10/04/2017 08:21 AM »
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Experimenting with inflated structures. This is going to be a nose rib for a new airship.
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« Reply #67 on: 10/05/2017 07:08 AM »
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The next airship, Ascender 10 will be about 25 feet longer than our previous big one, the Ascender 175.
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« Reply #68 on: 10/06/2017 06:06 PM »
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Tomorrow is the big day for the Ascender 9 airship. First float test! The team has been pushing hard and I think we're ready.
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« Reply #70 on: 10/09/2017 07:28 PM »
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Saturday we conducted the first float test of the Ascender 9 airship.  She was rock stable.
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300 pound airship floating on the breeze. Tails of the Ascender 9.
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« Reply #71 on: 10/10/2017 03:04 AM »
I'm patiently waiting for the 'space' part of this 'aerospace' venture to show up.

They seem like great and enthusiastic folks, but on the scale of garage startup to serious player, they do seem closer to the former than the latter.

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« Reply #72 on: 10/10/2017 04:02 AM »
I'm patiently waiting for the 'space' part of this 'aerospace' venture to show up.

They seem like great and enthusiastic folks, but on the scale of garage startup to serious player, they do seem closer to the former than the latter.

Well to be fair, they have been a lot closer to space numerous times than many other 'space ventures'. And most importantly, it seems to pay.
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« Reply #73 on: 10/10/2017 06:22 AM »
I'm patiently waiting for the 'space' part of this 'aerospace' venture to show up.

They seem like great and enthusiastic folks, but on the scale of garage startup to serious player, they do seem closer to the former than the latter.

Well to be fair, they have been a lot closer to space numerous times than many other 'space ventures'. And most importantly, it seems to pay.

Yes but launching balloons to the edge of space is not exactly cutting edge technology, is it? I was more referring to any kind of space launch that they seem to think they can pull off with an 'airship to orbit'.
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« Reply #74 on: 10/10/2017 06:26 AM »
Yes but launching balloons to the edge of space is not exactly cutting edge technology, is it?

They hold the record for the highest flying airship, so yeah... it is.

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I was more referring to any kind of space launch that they seem to think they can pull off with an 'airship to orbit'.

I give it another decade or two.
Jeff Bezos has billions to spend on rockets and can go at whatever pace he likes! Wow! What pace is he going at? Well... have you heard of Zeno's paradox?

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« Reply #75 on: 10/10/2017 07:00 AM »
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I was more referring to any kind of space launch that they seem to think they can pull off with an 'airship to orbit'.

I give it another decade or two.

That, and a few tens of millions of angel funding might speed it up a bit.
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« Reply #76 on: 10/10/2017 07:32 AM »
I'm patiently waiting for the 'space' part of this 'aerospace' venture to show up.

They seem like great and enthusiastic folks, but on the scale of garage startup to serious player, they do seem closer to the former than the latter.
Personally, I am waiting for them to get to the dark sky station portion, because it is a neat idea to have a high altitude research station, and because then they really get to start experimenting with the "to orbit" part.

Based on the schedule from earlier this year, they plan to have an ascender break 100 kft late next year (Ascender 11 maybe) They seem a few months behind, but have made progress and I don't expect anyone in aerospace to meet schedules. That will be a good milestone, but they need to get one to 140kft to really get their plans moving forward, maybe by 2020 they will get there.

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« Reply #77 on: 10/10/2017 06:42 PM »
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Inside Ascender 9. Cell number 2 is empty, you can see cell number 3 before behind it starting to fill with helium.
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« Reply #78 on: 10/10/2017 10:29 PM »
I'm patiently waiting for the 'space' part of this 'aerospace' venture to show up.

They seem like great and enthusiastic folks, but on the scale of garage startup to serious player, they do seem closer to the former than the latter.
Personally, I am waiting for them to get to the dark sky station portion, because it is a neat idea to have a high altitude research station, and because then they really get to start experimenting with the "to orbit" part.

I'm looking forward to that as well, it is neat concept. But... It will be an extreme enough achievement without the "to orbit" part - because that is where fantasy level technology and materials will be needed, and the entire concept breaks down.

But the dark sky station, that is cool stuff.  8)

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