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Chinese launch vehicle factory numbers
« on: 12/03/2008 01:48 PM »
Has anybody tried to collect factory numbers of Chinese launch vehicles?

For example, for CZ-2C I've seen images with numbers Y802504, Y802706, Y902009 and Y903210 (that's from October 1992 with Freja).

For a CZ-3 -- Y801303.

For two CZ-3A -- Y901201 and Y901302.

For a CZ-2D -- 4902Y.
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Re: Chinese launch vehicle factory numbers
« Reply #1 on: 12/03/2008 02:11 PM »
Hi Liss!

Are you refering to individual launchers, like serial numbers for each rocket?

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Re: Chinese launch vehicle factory numbers
« Reply #2 on: 12/03/2008 06:58 PM »
Are you refering to individual launchers, like serial numbers for each rocket?
Yes, to serial numbers that were usually written on the vehicle till mid-1990s at least. For example, 2703X on a FB-1.
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Re: Chinese launch vehicle factory numbers
« Reply #3 on: 12/05/2008 02:39 PM »
From images:
CZ-2C: Y802403, Y802805
CZ-4A: 801H (?)

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Re: Chinese launch vehicle factory numbers
« Reply #4 on: 12/05/2008 07:00 PM »
From images:
CZ-2C: Y802403, Y802805
CZ-4A: 801H (?)
Thank you, VR2. May I ask if the second CZ-2C number is clearly visible? The first number fits the picture perfectly but my understanding is that the second one should be either Y802605 or Y802808.
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Re: Chinese launch vehicle factory numbers
« Reply #5 on: 12/06/2008 01:26 PM »
From images:
CZ-2C: Y802403, Y802805
CZ-4A: 801H (?)
Thank you, VR2. May I ask if the second CZ-2C number is clearly visible? The first number fits the picture perfectly but my understanding is that the second one should be either Y802605 or Y802808.
The second CZ-2C number is not 100 % clearly visible. Good visible is Y_02_05. Second bad visible number is 8 or 6 (logically 6 - Y802605).

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Re: Chinese launch vehicle factory numbers
« Reply #6 on: 12/07/2008 03:00 PM »
The second CZ-2C number is not 100 % clearly visible. Good visible is Y_02_05. Second bad visible number is 8 or 6 (logically 6 - Y802605).
So I guess we have a reasonably full list of classical CZ-2C factory numbers based on images...

1982.09.09
1983.08.19
1984.09.12 -- Y802403
1985.10.21 -- Y802504
1986.10.06 -- Y802605
1987.08.05 -- Y802706
1987.09.09
1988.08.05
1990.10.05 -- Y902009
1992.10.06 -- Y903210
1993.10.08

The 1987-1988 and 1993 numbers can be easily guessed; the 1982-1983 numbers may have 1 as the third digit (or may not?)
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Re: Chinese launch vehicle factory numbers
« Reply #7 on: 04/14/2009 11:01 AM »
For a CZ-3 -- Y801303.
This number is correct?
From "your" video another number 801201H

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Re: Chinese launch vehicle factory numbers
« Reply #8 on: 04/14/2009 02:34 PM »
For a CZ-3 -- Y801303.
This number is correct?
From "your" video another number 801201H
I believe 801201H was the number for the first CZ-3 launched in Jan 1984; I've seen an image of another CZ-3 with the number ending in 303, most probably for the Mar 1988 launch. Can't find right now what's the source for the full Y801303 number.
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Re: Chinese launch vehicle factory numbers
« Reply #9 on: 01/17/2010 12:20 PM »
Short number for CZ-2C launched at 12 Nov 2009 was Y21,
and short number for yesterday's CZ-3C was Y2.

Still don't know serial numbers of Shanghai-built CZ-2D and CZ-4C launched in December 2009.
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Re: Chinese launch vehicle factory numbers
« Reply #10 on: 01/17/2010 04:06 PM »
Have any of you broken out yearly production capacities for any of the Chinese plants? Please excuse me for this question, but I've had a stroke, and can not do this kind of work myself anymore.

My current assumptions are a new plant for the core for CZ5, and existing plants converted over to boosters for the CZ5, and those boosters also used for new propellant versions of the smaller 2F class launchers.

Working from announced new payloads and existing asset replacement rates, and launch pad utilization, it should be possible to end up with a pretty good forecast for some years to come.


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Re: Chinese launch vehicle factory numbers
« Reply #11 on: 01/18/2010 06:11 AM »
Short number for CZ-2C launched at 12 Nov 2009 was Y21,
and short number for yesterday's CZ-3C was Y2.

Still don't know serial numbers of Shanghai-built CZ-2D and CZ-4C launched in December 2009.

09.12.2009  CZ-2D  Y10
15.12.2009  CZ-4C  Y4

Source: China Aerospace Philately Association

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Re: Chinese launch vehicle factory numbers
« Reply #12 on: 01/18/2010 11:56 AM »
Thank you limen4.
Unfortunately the 'official' list of covers at http://www.cspaonline.cn/produce.php?job=news seems to froze on September 17...
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Re: Chinese launch vehicle factory numbers
« Reply #13 on: 01/18/2010 02:55 PM »
Thank you limen4.
Unfortunately the 'official' list of covers at http://www.cspaonline.cn/produce.php?job=news seems to froze on September 17...
Hi Liss,
please find attached images of CSPA issued items commemorating the launch dates which you mentioned. The text of the reverse side contains the Y-numbers of the launch vehicles.

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Re: Chinese launch vehicle factory numbers
« Reply #14 on: 01/20/2010 08:59 PM »
Breaking out rocket frame production is one thing, breaking out engine production rates yet another.

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Re: Chinese launch vehicle factory numbers
« Reply #16 on: 09/27/2010 07:45 PM »
Is it correct that the first four orbital launches of CZ-2 had DF-5 serial numbers?

http://www.sinodefence.com/strategic/missile/df5-launches.asp
http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_lau/cz-2.htm
http://www.9ifly.cn/sub/viewthread.php?tid=407&page=3&authorid=1812&sid=5oe1Qj

I remember that the first four CZ-2 are indeed converted DF-5. This goes back to a decission made by Zhou Enlai in 1973.
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Re: Chinese launch vehicle factory numbers
« Reply #17 on: 11/19/2010 08:14 PM »
I've just tried using Google to search in Chinese! And this is what I found…

估计三颗IGSO一起打了,长征三号A火箭16/17/18在3号发射工位发射,时间正好。

现在卫星还不知道质量怎么样呢,怎么可能发双星?长征三号A火箭Y19看来留给中星20A卫星了。

http://www.9ifly.cn/sub/viewthread.php?tid=3747&extra=page%3D12&page=4&sid=W18h8Y

CZ-3A
Y16 BeiDou-2 IGSO
Y17 BeiDou-2 IGSO
Y18 BeiDou-2 IGSO
Y19 ZhongXing-20A
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Re: Chinese launch vehicle factory numbers
« Reply #18 on: 11/20/2010 06:01 AM »
CZ-3A
Y16 BeiDou-2 IGSO
Y17 BeiDou-2 IGSO
Y18 BeiDou-2 IGSO
Y19 ZhongXing-20A
Y16 has already flown, Y19 is expected in a couple of days.
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Re: Chinese launch vehicle factory numbers
« Reply #19 on: 08/15/2011 07:16 PM »
My attempt at a list of CZ-2C rockets!

 
Date & Time
发射日
 
Launch Site    
发射场
 
Rocket Configuration
运载火箭
Serial 
Number
 
 
Payload
有效载荷
 
Orbital Name
卫星
1982-09-09
07:18
Jiuquan
酒泉二号场区
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙
Y1
遥一
Jianbing 1
尖兵一号
Fanhui Shi Weixing 4
返回式卫星 第4
1983-08-19
06:00
Jiuquan
酒泉二号场区
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙
Y2
遥二
Jianbing 1
尖兵一号
Fanhui Shi Weixing 5
返回式卫星 第5
1984-09-12
05:43
Jiuquan
酒泉二号场区
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙
Y3
遥三
Jianbing 1
尖兵一号
Fanhui Shi Weixing 6
返回式卫星 第6
1985-10-21
05:04
Jiuquan
酒泉二号场区
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙
Y4
遥四
Jianbing 1
尖兵一号
Fanhui Shi Weixing 7
返回式卫星 第7
1986-10-06
05:40
Jiuquan
酒泉二号场区
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙
Y5
遥五
Jianbing 1
尖兵一号
Fanhui Shi Weixing 8
返回式卫星 第8
1987-08-05
06:37
Jiuquan
酒泉二号场区
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙
Y6
遥六
Jianbing 1
尖兵一号
Fanhui Shi Weixing 9
返回式卫星 第9
1987-09-09
07:15
Jiuquan
酒泉二号场区
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙
Y7
遥七
Jianbing 1A
尖兵一号甲
Fanhui Shi Weixing 10
返回式卫星 第10
1988-08-05
07:28
Jiuquan
酒泉二号场区
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙
Y8
遥八
Jianbing 1A
尖兵一号甲
Fanhui Shi Weixing 11
返回式卫星 第11
1990-10-05
06:14
Jiuquan
酒泉二号场区
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙
Y9
遥九
Jianbing 1A
尖兵一号甲
Fanhui Shi Weixing 12
返回式卫星 第12
1992-10-06
06:14
Jiuquan
酒泉二号场区
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙
Y10
遥十
Jianbing 1A
尖兵一号甲
Fanhui Shi Weixing 14
返回式卫星 第14
1993-10-08
08:00
Jiuquan
酒泉二号场区
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙
Y11
遥十一
Jianbing 1A
尖兵一号甲
Fanhui Shi Weixing 15
返回式卫星 第15
2004-08-29
07:50
Jiuquan SLS, LC2
酒泉新场区
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙(再加长)
Y12
遥十二
Jianbing 4
尖兵四号
Fanhui Shi Weixing 19
返回式卫星 第19
2005-08-02
07:30
Jiuquan SLS, LC2
酒泉新场区
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙(再加长)
Y13
遥十三
Jianbing 4
尖兵四号
Fanhui Shi Weixing 21
返回式卫星 第21
2004-04-18
15:59
Xichang, LC3
西昌三号发射工位
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙(加长)
Y14
遥十四
 Shiyan Weixing 1
试验卫星一号
2004-11-18
10:45
Xichang, LC3
西昌三号发射工位
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙(加长)
Y15
遥十五
 Shiyan Weixing 2
试验卫星二号
2006-09-09
01:15
Jiuquan SLS, LC2
酒泉新场区
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙(再加长)
Y16
遥十六
 Shijian 8
实践八号
   Y17
遥十七
  
2007-04-11
03:27
Taiyuan, LC7
太原
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙(再加长)
Y18
遥十八
 Haiyang 1B
海洋一号乙
2009-04-22
02:55:04,562
Taiyuan, LC7
太原
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙(再加长)
Y19
遥十九
Jianbing 7
尖兵七号
Yaogan Weixing 6
遥感卫星六号
   Y20
遥二十
  
2009-11-12
02:45:04
Jiuquan SLS, LC2
酒泉新场区
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙(再加长)
Y21
遥二十一
 Shijian 11 01
实践十一号01
   Y22
遥二十二
  
   Y23
遥二十三
  
2011-07-29
07:42:03,570
Jiuquan SLS, LC2
酒泉新场区
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙(再加长)
Y24
遥二十四
 Shijian 11 02
实践十一号02
2011-07-06
04:28:03,993
Jiuquan SLS, LC2
酒泉新场区
Chang Zheng 2C
长征二号丙(再加长)
Y25
遥二十五
 Shijian 11 03
实践十一号03
      
 
Date & Time
发射日
 
Launch Site    
发射场
 
Rocket Configuration
运载火箭
Serial 
Number
 
 
Payload
有效载荷
 
Orbital Name
卫星
1997-09-01
14:00:15,7
Taiyuan, LC7
太原
Chang Zheng 2C/FP
长征二号丙(加长)FP
Y1
遥一
Iridium-MFS 1/2
铱星模拟星
 
1997-12-08
07:16
Taiyuan, LC7
太原
Chang Zheng 2C/FP
长征二号丙(加长)FP
Y2
遥二
Iridium 42/44
 
1998-03-25
17:01
Taiyuan, LC7
太原
Chang Zheng 2C/FP
长征二号丙(加长)FP
Y3
遥三
Iridium 51/61
 
1998-05-02
09:16
Taiyuan, LC7
太原
Chang Zheng 2C/FP
长征二号丙(加长)FP
Y4
遥四
Iridium 69/71
 
1998-08-19
23:01
Taiyuan, LC7
太原
Chang Zheng 2C/FP
长征二号丙(加长)FP
Y5
遥五
Iridium 76/78
 
1998-12-19
11:39:43,801
Taiyuan, LC7
太原
Chang Zheng 2C/FP
长征二号丙(加长)FP
Y6
遥六
Iridium 88/89
 
1999-06-11
17:15:33,924
Taiyuan, LC7
太原
Chang Zheng 2C/FP
长征二号丙(加长)FP
Y7
遥七
Iridium 92/93
 
      
 
Date & Time
发射日
 
Launch Site    
发射场
 
Rocket Configuration
运载火箭
Serial 
Number
 
 
Payload
有效载荷
 
Orbital Name
卫星
2003-12-29
19:06:18
Xichang, LC3
西昌三号发射工位
Chang Zheng 2C/SM
长征二号丙(加长)SM
Y1
遥一
Tance 1
探测一号
 
2004-07-25
07:05
Taiyuan, LC7
太原
Chang Zheng 2C/SM
长征二号丙(加长)SM
Y2
遥二
Tance 2
探测二号
 
      
 
Date & Time
发射日
 
Launch Site    
发射场
 
Rocket Configuration
运载火箭
Serial 
Number
 
 
Payload
有效载荷
 
Orbital Name
卫星
2008-09-06
03:25:07
Taiyuan, LC7
太原
Chang Zheng 2C/SMA
长征二号丙(再加长)SMA
Y1
遥一
 Huanjing 1A
环境一号甲星
Huanjing 1B
环境一号乙星

http://www.9ifly.cn/thread-407-4-1.html
http://www.lib.cas.cz/space.40/INDEX1.HTM
http://space.skyrocket.de/
http://cn.cgwic.com/LaunchServices/LaunchRecord/LongMarch.html
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