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Offline anik

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #80 on: 12/20/2005 04:55 pm »
Current assignments in ISS Expeditions crews...

Expedition 13

Prime
CDR Pavel Vinogradov (Russia) - launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-8
FE1/SO Jeffrey Williams (USA) - launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-8
FE2 Thomas Reiter (Germany) - launch on Discovery (STS-121), landing on Endeavour (STS-116)

Backup
CDR/SO Michael Fincke (USA)
FE1 Fyodor Yurchikhin (Russia)
FE2 Leopold Eyharts (France)

Expedition 14

Prime
CDR Michael Lopez-Alegria (USA) - launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-9
FE1 Mikhail Tyurin (Russia) - launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-9
FE2/SO Sunita Williams (USA) - launch on Endeavour (STS-116), landing on Endeavour (STS-118)

Backup
CDR Peggy Whitson (USA)
FE1 Yury Malenchenko (Russia)
FE2/SO Clayton Anderson??? (USA)

Expedition 15

Prime
CDR Gennady Padalka??? (Russia) - launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-10
FE1 Fyodor Yurchikhin??? (Russia) - launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-10
FE2/SO Michael Fincke??? (USA) - launch on Endeavour (STS-118)

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #81 on: 12/20/2005 05:22 pm »
Thanks for the reply.  Please keep sending updates as they are known. :)

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #82 on: 12/21/2005 03:27 pm »
Is this going to be typical - flying two expedition crew members by Soyuz and then adding the third by Shuttle?

Are we going to see no more pre-107-style missions with a four-person Shuttle crew plus an entire expedition crew?

I notice that several missions which were assigned four crew members in pre-107 days, including STS-116 and (presumably) STS-119, have been boosted up to six crew members. Is there a reason for this?

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #83 on: 12/21/2005 04:21 pm »
I think they weren't going to three until they've had at least two STS's go off without problems. Maybe after 121?

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #84 on: 12/21/2005 07:47 pm »
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Ben E - 21/12/2005  7:27 PM

Is this going to be typical - flying two expedition crew members by Soyuz and then adding the third by Shuttle?

Yes, Ben E!... If Expedition has two Russians and one American then two Russians will be launched on Soyuz, one American – on Shuttle… If Expedition has two Americans and one Russian then one Russian and one American will be launched on Soyuz, another American – on Shuttle…

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Are we going to see no more pre-107-style missions with a four-person Shuttle crew plus an entire expedition crew?

Yeah!… Only one Expedition crewmember (American) will be launched on Shuttle in future…

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #85 on: 12/21/2005 10:31 pm »
Thanks anik.

But why the increased crew sizes? The STS-116 crew, for example, has increased from a 'core' crew of four in 2002-2003 (Wilcutt, Oefelein, Fuglesang and Curbeam) to a new 'core' crew of six since 2005 (Polansky, Oefelein, Fuglesang, Curbeam, Higginbotham and Patrick). Why the two additional crew members? The payload (P-5 segment and Spacehab module) remain the same. Have additional EVAs been added, or is there another reason?


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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #86 on: 12/29/2005 11:45 pm »
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anik - 21/12/2005  2:47 PM

Yeah!… Only one Expedition crewmember (American) will be launched on Shuttle in future…

Hold on, just spotted this. There will never be another Russian flying on a Shuttle flight? Because of Columbia?

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #87 on: 12/30/2005 12:08 am »
So the Russians take up their ISS expedition member on a Soyuz and the US takes up theirs on a Shuttle.

Is this so they have another space for a tourist?

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #88 on: 12/30/2005 12:19 am »
They are reserving a seat for a US astronaunt (ISS Exped member) on a Soyuz from Soyuz TMA-8, which will be used, onwards through 2006, in support of STS missions re-starting.

There's a possibility that no ISS exped members will ever travel to or from the station on a STS again.

Of course, that's under review, dependant on ISS crew size increase date, US involvement which is under review contray to what commitments some lawmakers like to note at every occasion, and STS mission frequency.

The Russians also have the option, internal to their own matters, of using any spare capacity for commercial wishes. That is their business.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #89 on: 12/30/2005 12:49 am »
When is the ISS supposed to be up to three crew members?

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #90 on: 12/30/2005 12:57 am »
They will be at three when ESA astronaut Reiter arrives on the ISS via the next shuttle, 121.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #91 on: 12/30/2005 01:04 am »
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They will be at three when ESA astronaut Reiter arrives on the ISS via the next shuttle, 121.

This may change with the next review.  There's an important need not to over capacitate from the onset of what is still a test flight, with a fluid launch possibility. We'll see.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #92 on: 12/30/2005 01:10 am »
You mean in case of another event which will ground the fleet again and maybe push flights over the edge and end patience in getting it right with the foam?

So they keep the manifests as they are to show confidence, but it might be too risky to leave an odd number on the ISS if there's no following flight on time for bringing the third member home?

If this stays the same and there's a problem that sees another delay with the Shuttle, could Russia send up another Soyuz in-between regular Soyuz flights to bring him home?

This is all very confusing. A normal launch would be welcome!

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #93 on: 12/30/2005 11:20 am »
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STS Tony - 30/12/2005  3:45 AM

There will never be another Russian flying on a Shuttle flight?

Yes… :(

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STS Tony - 30/12/2005  3:45 AM

Because of Columbia?

No!… Because of the agreement between Roskosmos and NASA!…

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STS Tony - 30/12/2005  5:10 AM

If this stays the same and there's a problem that sees another delay with the Shuttle, could Russia send up another Soyuz in-between regular Soyuz flights to bring him home?

If Shuttles will be grounded again after STS-121, then Thomas Reiter will be returned to Earth on Soyuz TMA-8 on September 23, 2006...

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #94 on: 12/30/2005 01:18 pm »
Thank Anik.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #95 on: 01/02/2006 12:17 pm »
I remember that the Russians have said that if there's a problem with a Shuttle, they have options to help with three Soyuz in close successions to bring them off the ISS.

Is this right, is there a capability to process and launch THREE Soyuz in close succession?

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #96 on: 01/02/2006 03:37 pm »
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is there a capability to process and launch THREE Soyuz in close succession?

It is not a problem to prepare and launch three Soyuz TMA spacecrafts in close succession, because there are two launch pads (areas 1 and 31) and the big assembly-testing building (area 254) on the Baikonur cosmodrome... :) In 1969, for example, Soyuz-6 spacecraft was launched on October 11 from area 31, Soyuz-7 - on October 12 from area 1 and Soyuz-8 - on October 13 from area 31!... :o ;)

But now it is a problem to make three Soyuz TMA spacecrafts quickly, because of lack of money... :( I think, that RSC Energiya has not three Soyuz TMA spacecrafts now, which are completely made... :( It is necessary one and a half year for the Soyuz TMA spacecraft manufacturing... :(

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #97 on: 01/02/2006 04:49 pm »
I still don't understand the logic of sending an American up on Shuttle, rather than Soyuz, when that American will potentially have to depend on the Soyuz during the course of his/her expedition anyway. If the crew needs to switch docking ports, the Shuttle-launched American will need a seat liner for it. Similarly, if an emergency evacuation is necessary, the Shuttle-launched American will return to Earth via Soyuz. If the Shuttle-launched American will be reliant upon the Soyuz for 99% of his/her expedition anyway, why not just make it 100% and launch/land on it too?


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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #98 on: 01/02/2006 06:47 pm »
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If the Shuttle-launched American will be reliant upon the Soyuz for 99% of his/her expedition anyway, why not just make it 100% and launch/land on it too?

Probably because Roskosmos wants to keep the third seat on Soyuz TMA spacecraft (at the launch and the landing) for space tourists and astronauts from other countries (for example, Brazil, Japan, South Korea and Malaysia)... Or because NASA does not want to pay for two seats on Soyuz TMA spacecraft...

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #99 on: 01/04/2006 12:44 am »
Is NASA paying around the same money for that seat as the tourists?

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