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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #560 on: 09/09/2017 04:32 pm »
Seeing all the damage, including particularly flood damage, from hurricanes like Harvey and Irma, I was just wondering whether any technology improvements from The Boring Company might be used for drilling bigger/better/more-extensive water drainage systems. Are there any possibilities there?

Cannot 'drain' when surrounding area is at or near sea level, tunnels or no.
Erm, polder. Just requires pumping and input of energy.
Naturally I will agree with you given that I live in one. This one in fact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flevopolder

And how many 4m tunnels does it use?
One. And it is in fact larger than 4 meters in diameter. It is however not used for drainage but for running a railway to the other side of the Veluwemeer (Lake Veluwe).

But strictly looking at drainage: the Flevopolder uses several tens-of-thousands of drainage tubes (approx 4 inches in diameter) to carry away excess water into ditches. Those ditches dump their water into canals. The water from the canals is pumped out of the polder into the surrounding lakes by a number of pumping stations.

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #561 on: 09/09/2017 06:36 pm »
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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #562 on: 09/09/2017 06:41 pm »
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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #563 on: 09/09/2017 06:45 pm »
The Hawthorne City Council 9/12 council meeting agenda includes...

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Closed Session - Conference with Real Property Negotiator, Arnold Shadbehr pursuant to California Government Code Section 54956.8:  Property: Granting of an easement for a tunnel project under 120th Street located approximately between Crenshaw Blvd and Hawthorne Blvd in the City of Hawthorne. Agency Negotiator, City Manager; Negotiating Parties: The Boring Company: Under Negotiation: Price and Terms for City’s Grant of Easement.

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
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« Reply #565 on: 09/22/2017 09:22 pm »
The September 26 Hawthorne City Council @ 6 pm meeting (streaming available) agenda includes...

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12.  Appointment of Acting City Manager Robert Fager as City’s real property negotiator with respect to the granting of an easement under 120th Street between Crenshaw Blvd and Hawthorne Blvd in the City of Hawthorne. 
RECOMMENDED MOTION: That the City Council approve the Appointment of Acting City Manager Robert Fager as City’s real property negotiator with respect to the granting of an easement under 120th Street between Crenshaw Blvd and Hawthorne Blvd in the City of Hawthorne. 
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15.  Closed Session: Conference with Real Property Negotiator, Robert Fager pursuant to California Government Code Section 54956.8:  Property: Granting of an easement for a tunnel project under 120th Street located approximately between Crenshaw Blvd and Hawthorne Blvd in the City of Hawthorne. Agency Negotiator, City Manager; Negotiating Parties: The Boring Company: Under Negotiation: Price and Terms for City’s Grant of Easement.
16.  Closed Session: Conference with Legal Counsel – Anticipated Litigation - Significant exposure to litigation pursuant to paragraph (2) of subdivision (d) of Section 54956.9: (one case) 
Subject - Confirmation and Approval of The Boring Company’s Guaranty, Insurance Coverage and Payment for a Portion of a Previously Approved Subsurface Easement
Recommendation - Confirm and Approve The Boring Company’s Guaranty, Insurance Coverage and Payment for a Portion of a Previously Approved Subsurface Easement.



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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #566 on: 09/24/2017 08:08 am »
Anyone mentioned boring mall space to attach to the transportation system? Or just to create more city space in general? Just a fanciful idea that all the bits and pieces, including pressure tight access to the hyperloop and aesthetics to avoid claustrophobia, could grow to look more and more like a mars city.

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #567 on: 09/24/2017 09:26 am »
IMO, there is nothing accidental about it.

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #568 on: 09/24/2017 09:44 am »
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Although I quite like "Musks Mole" myself.  :)
One. And it is in fact larger than 4 meters in diameter. It is however not used for drainage but for running a railway to the other side of the Veluwemeer (Lake Veluwe).

But strictly looking at drainage: the Flevopolder uses several tens-of-thousands of drainage tubes (approx 4 inches in diameter) to carry away excess water into ditches. Those ditches dump their water into canals. The water from the canals is pumped out of the polder into the surrounding lakes by a number of pumping stations.
Fascinating. A nice example of a "fractal plumbing" system, gradually collecting water.

It's also interesting from the mars settlement perspective of "making" land. I'm not sure how many other countries in the world do this.
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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #569 on: 09/25/2017 09:07 am »
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In case anyone didn't know this "TBM" is standard for "Tunnel Boring Machine," the generic term for these things,regardless of how they operate.

Although I quite like "Musks Mole" myself.  :)
One. And it is in fact larger than 4 meters in diameter. It is however not used for drainage but for running a railway to the other side of the Veluwemeer (Lake Veluwe).

But strictly looking at drainage: the Flevopolder uses several tens-of-thousands of drainage tubes (approx 4 inches in diameter) to carry away excess water into ditches. Those ditches dump their water into canals. The water from the canals is pumped out of the polder into the surrounding lakes by a number of pumping stations.
Fascinating. A nice example of a "fractal plumbing" system, gradually collecting water.

It's also interesting from the mars settlement perspective of "making" land. I'm not sure how many other countries in the world do this.

Cambridgeshire fens (and other areas) in the UK use a similar mechanism.

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #570 on: 09/25/2017 11:59 am »
Anyone mentioned boring mall space to attach to the transportation system? Or just to create more city space in general? Just a fanciful idea that all the bits and pieces, including pressure tight access to the hyperloop and aesthetics to avoid claustrophobia, could grow to look more and more like a mars city.

I think the similarity is there. It seems like there’s a system coming together from different proposals. Transport pods like depicted in the Boring Co video could also fit inside Hyperloop pods as depicted in the Dubai Hyperloop video or Musks original white paper that mentioned Hyperloop carrying cars. Hyperloop stations could then be entirely automated spaces underground where vehicles in the air filled tube/electric skate system enter/exit Hyperloop pods and they then enter/exit air locks. So a single passenger container travels on surface streets to final destinations (or maybe even in buildings in a Thyssen-Krupp style horizontal/vertical elevator) as well as in tunnels for longer trips or Hyperloop between cities. Direct connections to underground shopping/office space/commercial underground fits well with this. Apparently Houston had a system of underground passages with shops like this that flooded in the hurricane. It would be a lot like an underground city on Mars.

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #571 on: 09/25/2017 12:58 pm »
Anyone mentioned boring mall space to attach to the transportation system? Or just to create more city space in general? Just a fanciful idea that all the bits and pieces, including pressure tight access to the hyperloop and aesthetics to avoid claustrophobia, could grow to look more and more like a mars city.

I think the similarity is there. It seems like there’s a system coming together from different proposals. Transport pods like depicted in the Boring Co video could also fit inside Hyperloop pods as depicted in the Dubai Hyperloop video or Musks original white paper that mentioned Hyperloop carrying cars. Hyperloop stations could then be entirely automated spaces underground where vehicles in the air filled tube/electric skate system enter/exit Hyperloop pods and they then enter/exit air locks. So a single passenger container travels on surface streets to final destinations (or maybe even in buildings in a Thyssen-Krupp style horizontal/vertical elevator) as well as in tunnels for longer trips or Hyperloop between cities. Direct connections to underground shopping/office space/commercial underground fits well with this. Apparently Houston had a system of underground passages with shops like this that flooded in the hurricane. It would be a lot like an underground city on Mars.

rochester mn also has a similar "subway" that is a bunch of walking tunnels with shops.
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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #572 on: 09/25/2017 01:04 pm »
In Minnesota, the universities usually have either tunnels or skyways connecting all the major buildings. Downtowns of both Minneapolis and Saint Paul both have extensive skyway systems connecting almost all the downtown buildings. There's a light rail from the airport to the Mall of America to downtown Minneapolis. It's possible to visit Minneapolis from another country, go on roller coasters, walk among trees and sharks and the entirety of the downtown buildings and leave again without ever seeing the sky directly above except through glass.
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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #573 on: 09/25/2017 04:09 pm »
In Minnesota, the universities usually have either tunnels or skyways connecting all the major buildings. Downtowns of both Minneapolis and Saint Paul both have extensive skyway systems connecting almost all the downtown buildings. There's a light rail from the airport to the Mall of America to downtown Minneapolis. It's possible to visit Minneapolis from another country, go on roller coasters, walk among trees and sharks and the entirety of the downtown buildings and leave again without ever seeing the sky directly above except through glass.

And I have lived in the area for 6 years and never used any of that because there is no effective mass transit outside of buses unless you happen to live on one of two light rail corridors. I would not mind a decent tunnel system connecting outlying areas. Driving in is enough of a pain that I don't do it.

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #574 on: 09/25/2017 05:33 pm »
I am assuming each hyper loop pod has a life support system? What happens in a power failure? What happens if a pod loses pressure?

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« Reply #575 on: 09/25/2017 05:59 pm »
I am assuming each hyper loop pod has a life support system? What happens in a power failure? What happens if a pod loses pressure?

For Hyperloop, where the transport tube is normally evacuated of air, if the system stops they could flood the transport tubes with normal air and then move the transport pods along at slower speeds to the next station so they can reset the system. That would be my guess.
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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #576 on: 09/25/2017 06:02 pm »
I am assuming each hyper loop pod has a life support system? What happens in a power failure? What happens if a pod loses pressure?

For Hyperloop, where the transport tube is normally evacuated of air, if the system stops they could flood the transport tubes with normal air and then move the transport pods along at slower speeds to the next station so they can reset the system. That would be my guess.

But pressurizing the tube will take a long time.......

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #577 on: 09/25/2017 06:48 pm »
I am assuming each hyper loop pod has a life support system? What happens in a power failure? What happens if a pod loses pressure?

For Hyperloop, where the transport tube is normally evacuated of air, if the system stops they could flood the transport tubes with normal air and then move the transport pods along at slower speeds to the next station so they can reset the system. That would be my guess.

But pressurizing the tube will take a long time.......

Depends how big your air flooding system is and how often it vents into the tube.

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #578 on: 09/25/2017 07:02 pm »
I am assuming each hyper loop pod has a life support system? What happens in a power failure? What happens if a pod loses pressure?

For Hyperloop, where the transport tube is normally evacuated of air, if the system stops they could flood the transport tubes with normal air and then move the transport pods along at slower speeds to the next station so they can reset the system. That would be my guess.

But pressurizing the tube will take a long time.......

Depends how big your air flooding system is and how often it vents into the tube.

If a pod loses pressure you only have seconds before permanent damage is done to the passengers. Only a minute or 2 before they are dead. You wont be able to pressurize a tube like that that quickly.

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #579 on: 09/25/2017 07:26 pm »
I am assuming each hyper loop pod has a life support system? What happens in a power failure? What happens if a pod loses pressure?

For Hyperloop, where the transport tube is normally evacuated of air, if the system stops they could flood the transport tubes with normal air and then move the transport pods along at slower speeds to the next station so they can reset the system. That would be my guess.

But pressurizing the tube will take a long time.......

Depends how big your air flooding system is and how often it vents into the tube.

If a pod loses pressure you only have seconds before permanent damage is done to the passengers. Only a minute or 2 before they are dead. You wont be able to pressurize a tube like that that quickly.

Leaks are inevitable, even in normal operation, so every pod will need a pressurization system that can maintain internal pressure for some time against a small leak.

It would take a large hole to depressurize a pod very quickly. Not sure there's a whole lot that can be done in that event though.

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