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Re: Blue Origin - We will not be strangers
« Reply #80 on: 05/01/2016 07:45 PM »
I think the first orbital vehicle from Blue Origin is certainly to be more Delta II class.

...but according to Bezos, that will be the smallest orbital vehicle they will make.

So while I most certainly expect the orbit BO vehicle to not be in Falcon 9 class, the next one most certainly will and would be competing with ULA as well. But that may take a while.
BO have said their 1st orbital vehicle will not be small so it may well be in the Falcon 9/EELV class.

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Re: Blue Origin - We will not be strangers
« Reply #81 on: 05/01/2016 10:59 PM »

BO have said their 1st orbital vehicle will not be small so it may well be in the Falcon 9/EELV class.

I heard it was using one BE-4 in the first stage. Intermediate class?
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Re: Blue Origin - We will not be strangers
« Reply #82 on: 05/01/2016 11:10 PM »
Their first orbital vehicle is apparently designed to lift their biconic human rated capsule carrying 7 passengers. Unless plans have changed, it can't be that small. Soyuz-class at a minimum.   
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Re: Blue Origin - We will not be strangers
« Reply #83 on: 05/01/2016 11:16 PM »
Their first orbital vehicle is apparently designed to lift their biconic human rated capsule carrying 7 passengers. Unless plans have changed, it can't be that small. Soyuz-class at a minimum.   

I think you mean 'Dragon'. You couldn't actually fit seven people in a Soyuz - three is already a helluva squeeze.

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Re: Blue Origin - We will not be strangers
« Reply #84 on: 05/02/2016 02:58 AM »


Their first orbital vehicle is apparently designed to lift their biconic human rated capsule carrying 7 passengers. Unless plans have changed, it can't be that small. Soyuz-class at a minimum.   

I think you mean 'Dragon'. You couldn't actually fit seven people in a Soyuz - three is already a helluva squeeze.

Soyuz -class LV, not capsule.

Because they are developing reusable booster, better to start with a large multi engine version and do it right first time.  It maybe oversized for 7seater capsule but does allow for RTLS and option of lifting heavier space vehicles in future.

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Re: Blue Origin - We will not be strangers
« Reply #85 on: 05/02/2016 05:50 AM »
Yes, Delta II or Soyuz class. delta II was actually pretty capable.
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Blue Origin - We will not be strangers
« Reply #86 on: 05/26/2016 08:58 PM »
Blue Origin will intentionally crash its spaceship during the next test flight

The empty crew capsule will launch with faulty parachutes

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"On this upcoming mission we also plan to stress the crew capsule by landing with an intentionally failed parachute, demonstrating our ability to safely handle that failure scenario," Bezos writes in an email update that was sent out this afternoon. "It promises to be an exciting demonstration."

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Crashing the crew capsule won't be the only difference during this test flight. Bezos writes that the company will "execute additional maneuvers on both the crew capsule and the booster" in order to learn more about how they behave under different conditions. "One of the fundamental tenets of Blue Origin is that the safest vehicle is one that is robust and well understood," he writes. "Each successive mission affords us the opportunity to learn and improve our vehicles and their modeling."

http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/26/11790762/blue-origin-spaceship-crash-test-landing-new-shephard-parachute
« Last Edit: 05/26/2016 09:02 PM by Star One »

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Re: Blue Origin - We will not be strangers
« Reply #87 on: 05/26/2016 09:01 PM »
 SpaceNews has that as 1 of 3 parachutes intentionally failing, which seems a lot more plausible.

http://spacenews.com/blue-origin-preparing-to-land-new-shepard-with-a-bum-parachute-next-time/

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Re: Blue Origin - We will not be strangers
« Reply #88 on: 05/27/2016 12:17 AM »
Full text of the e-mail update below, the "planned crash" that The Verge reported is obviously just an idiotic clickbait headline, as stated above, they will intentionally fail 1 of 3 parachutes.

Quote from: Jeff Bezos
Back in March, we shared with you our efforts on building two new test cells to further support risk reduction testing on the BE-4.  We began the construction of these additional facilities in October last year and we’ve just commissioned the first of these cells last week.  This test cell is pressure fed and supports the development of the preburner start and ignition sequence timing that will be used on the upcoming full scale powerpack test campaign.  As mentioned in a prior email, one of the many benefits of a privately funded engine development is that we can make and implement decisions quickly. We made the decision to build these two new test cells as a team in a 10 minute discussion.  Less than three weeks later we were pouring concrete and now we have an operating pressure fed test cell 7 months later. Private funding and rapid decision making are two of the reasons why the BE-4 is the fastest path to eliminate U.S. dependence on the Russian-made RD-180.

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Commissioned Preburner Test Facility

This new pressure fed facility is capable of supporting full scale preburner risk reduction.  If you look closely, you’ll see we already have the 14 inch diameter test article integrated into the facility ready for initial testing.  More on that as we have it.
 
We’re also finishing our mission planning for another flight of New Shepard, which will be our fourth flight with this vehicle.  One of the fundamental tenets of Blue Origin is that the safest vehicle is one that is robust and well understood.  Each successive mission affords us the opportunity to learn and improve our vehicles and their modeling.  We have stepwise expanded our flight envelope on the booster and crew capsule on every mission. On our most recent flight, we performed maneuvers on the crew capsule to help characterize its aerodynamics and reduce our model uncertainties. On this next mission, we’ll execute additional maneuvers on both the crew capsule and the booster to increase our vehicle characterization and modeling accuracy.
 
On this upcoming mission we also plan to stress the crew capsule by landing with an intentionally failed parachute, demonstrating our ability to safely handle that failure scenario.  It promises to be an exciting demonstration.  We’ll be sharing more with you about the upcoming mission as we have it.
 
Gradatim Ferociter!
 
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Re: Blue Origin - We will not be strangers
« Reply #89 on: 05/27/2016 01:41 AM »
SpaceNews has that as 1 of 3 parachutes intentionally failing, which seems a lot more plausible.

http://spacenews.com/blue-origin-preparing-to-land-new-shepard-with-a-bum-parachute-next-time/

Has SpaceX done anything like that so far, or is this a sign that Blue is focused towards achieving a "man-rating" of sorts?

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Re: Blue Origin - We will not be strangers
« Reply #90 on: 05/27/2016 06:26 AM »
Full text of the e-mail update below, the "planned crash" that The Verge reported is obviously just an idiotic clickbait headline, as stated above, they will intentionally fail 1 of 3 parachutes.

Quote from: Jeff Bezos
Back in March, we shared with you our efforts on building two new test cells to further support risk reduction testing on the BE-4.  We began the construction of these additional facilities in October last year and we’ve just commissioned the first of these cells last week.  This test cell is pressure fed and supports the development of the preburner start and ignition sequence timing that will be used on the upcoming full scale powerpack test campaign.  As mentioned in a prior email, one of the many benefits of a privately funded engine development is that we can make and implement decisions quickly. We made the decision to build these two new test cells as a team in a 10 minute discussion.  Less than three weeks later we were pouring concrete and now we have an operating pressure fed test cell 7 months later. Private funding and rapid decision making are two of the reasons why the BE-4 is the fastest path to eliminate U.S. dependence on the Russian-made RD-180.

[picture here]
Commissioned Preburner Test Facility

This new pressure fed facility is capable of supporting full scale preburner risk reduction.  If you look closely, you’ll see we already have the 14 inch diameter test article integrated into the facility ready for initial testing.  More on that as we have it.
 
We’re also finishing our mission planning for another flight of New Shepard, which will be our fourth flight with this vehicle.  One of the fundamental tenets of Blue Origin is that the safest vehicle is one that is robust and well understood.  Each successive mission affords us the opportunity to learn and improve our vehicles and their modeling.  We have stepwise expanded our flight envelope on the booster and crew capsule on every mission. On our most recent flight, we performed maneuvers on the crew capsule to help characterize its aerodynamics and reduce our model uncertainties. On this next mission, we’ll execute additional maneuvers on both the crew capsule and the booster to increase our vehicle characterization and modeling accuracy.
 
On this upcoming mission we also plan to stress the crew capsule by landing with an intentionally failed parachute, demonstrating our ability to safely handle that failure scenario.  It promises to be an exciting demonstration.  We’ll be sharing more with you about the upcoming mission as we have it.
 
Gradatim Ferociter!
 
Jeff Bezos

Which was made perfectly clear in the article so shoot them for jazzing up the headline a little.

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