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SZ-12 Shenzhou-12 - CZ-2F - JSLC - 2018
« on: 02/20/2016 11:43 AM »
Looks like the manned SZ-12 Shenzhou-12 might be launched in 2017 and dock to TG-2 Tiangong-2.
« Last Edit: 10/15/2016 08:26 AM by Satori »

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Re: SZ-12 Shenzhou-12 - CZ-2F - JSLC - 2017 (?)
« Reply #1 on: 02/20/2016 03:07 PM »
Could you give some source?

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Re: SZ-12 Shenzhou-12 - CZ-2F - JSLC - 2017 (?)
« Reply #2 on: 02/20/2016 03:47 PM »
Could you give some source?

Check the thread on here for the Chinese launch schedule.   A philately organisation has listed the 2016-2017 launches for which covers will be available.

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Re: SZ-12 Shenzhou-12 - CZ-2F - JSLC - 2017 (?)
« Reply #3 on: 02/21/2016 07:33 AM »
Could you give some source?

Does this count?

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Re: SZ-12 Shenzhou-12 - CZ-2F - JSLC - 2017 (?)
« Reply #4 on: 02/21/2016 09:01 AM »
Thanks! Yes, it's a good source if we assume that stamp collectors have good information that the post office will issue such stamps and post office has reliable information about the launches.

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Re: SZ-12 Shenzhou-12 - CZ-2F - JSLC - 2017 (?)
« Reply #5 on: 02/22/2016 12:01 PM »
This is good news, and seems to originate from a semi-official, and therefore presumably, reliable source, so hopefully it means that there will a manned SZ-12 visit to TG-2 in 2017.

Although previous statements have only ever mentioned a single manned visit (SZ-11) this had always looked like a rather unambitious schedule, something of a waste of resources and seemed to leave no room for contingency, or recovery, if any element of SZ-11 was less than 100% successful.

Also, flying two x SZ, plus one x TZ more or less replicates the TG-1 campaign, with three visiting missions. 

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Re: SZ-12 Shenzhou-12 - CZ-2F - JSLC - 2017 (?)
« Reply #8 on: 03/30/2016 06:47 PM »
There seem to be rumours of a female presence on this mission.   I wonder if this could be an all-female crew?   Or two women and a man?

Also there is some talk on an EVA on the flight.   I have the attached photo in my computer files but I cannot recall where it's from.   It appears to show a Shenzhou/Tiangong EVA, with the Shenzhou forward module being used as an airlock.   First Chinese EVA by a woman?

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Re: SZ-12 Shenzhou-12 - CZ-2F - JSLC - 2017 (?)
« Reply #9 on: 03/30/2016 07:40 PM »
There seem to be rumours of a female presence on this mission.   I wonder if this could be an all-female crew?   Or two women and a man?

Also there is some talk on an EVA on the flight.   I have the attached photo in my computer files but I cannot recall where it's from.   It appears to show a Shenzhou/Tiangong EVA, with the Shenzhou forward module being used as an airlock.   First Chinese EVA by a woman?
Looks like since the two spacecraft aren't docked its the classic Soviet era procedure for failed docking event that dates back to Almaz/Saylut days when there wasnt permanent crew on board and when stations lack an airlock to fix the issues.

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« Reply #10 on: 03/30/2016 07:51 PM »
There seem to be rumours of a female presence on this mission.   I wonder if this could be an all-female crew?   Or two women and a man?
Also there is some talk on an EVA on the flight.   I have the attached photo in my computer files but I cannot recall where it's from.   It appears to show a Shenzhou/Tiangong EVA, with the Shenzhou forward module being used as an airlock.   First Chinese EVA by a woman?
Looks like since the two spacecraft aren't docked its the classic Soviet era procedure for failed docking event that dates back to Almaz/Saylut days when there wasnt permanent crew on board and when stations lack an airlock to fix the issues.

I agree about the spacecraft not being docked but I wondered if this was simply an error by the non-technical artist?

It is certainly suggestive that the Chinese might not have separate airlocks on their space station modules and that the Shenzhou forward module might fulfill the role.   Anyway, I thought it was worth showing the picture.

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Re: SZ-12 Shenzhou-12 - CZ-2F - JSLC - 2017 (?)
« Reply #11 on: 09/18/2016 09:23 AM »
Likely in April?

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Re: SZ-12 Shenzhou-12 - CZ-2F - JSLC - 2017 (?)
« Reply #12 on: 09/18/2016 11:39 AM »
Likely in April?

The Chinese are still talking about SZ 11 as being the only piloted mission to Tiangong 2.   If SZ 12 flies I would expect it will be after Tianzhou 1 has undocked from Tiangong 2.

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Re: SZ-12 Shenzhou-12 - CZ-2F - JSLC - 2017 (?)
« Reply #13 on: 09/18/2016 06:14 PM »
SZ-12 "Shenzhou-12" will be launched to "Tiangong-2." Next to the "Tiangong-2" will fly the cargo ship "Tianzhou-1." After some work in the astronauts will fly to the module docking with the cargo vehicle and then again return to the "Tiangong-2." The flight there and back. This is unofficial information. The crew will be three astronauts.
与战士站岗、炊事员做饭一样,航天员是一种职业,工作就是飞行。

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Re: SZ-12 Shenzhou-12 - CZ-2F - JSLC - 2017 (?)
« Reply #14 on: 09/18/2016 10:10 PM »
Shenzhou spacecraft on the 12th (SZ-12): 2018 launch of docking space station core module.

http://www.chinaspaceflight.com/manned-spacecraft/SZ-12.html

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Re: SZ-12 Shenzhou-12 - CZ-2F - JSLC - 2017 (?)
« Reply #15 on: 10/14/2016 12:32 PM »

Interview with chief designer of Tiangong-2

http://china.org.cn/china/2016-10/14/content_39487895.htm

Most interesting comment for me was:

"Zhu added that Tiangong 2 will have no other mission after it docks with Tianzhou 1 next year."

which indicates no Shenzhou-12 visit.    Pity.

So, Shenzhou-12 will be used to transport the first crew to the new Tiangong modular station (?)

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Re: SZ-12 Shenzhou-12 - CZ-2F - JSLC - 2017 (?)
« Reply #16 on: 10/15/2016 07:57 AM »

Interview with chief designer of Tiangong-2

http://china.org.cn/china/2016-10/14/content_39487895.htm

Most interesting comment for me was:

"Zhu added that Tiangong 2 will have no other mission after it docks with Tianzhou 1 next year."

which indicates no Shenzhou-12 visit.    Pity.
So, Shenzhou-12 will be used to transport the first crew to the new Tiangong modular station (?)[/size]

Seems so: http://www.chinaspaceflight.com/manned-spacecraft/SZ-12.html

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Next time, that is, the Shenzhou on the 12th, will be launched in 2018 docking space station core module.
下一次,也就是神舟十二号,将对接2018年发射升空的空间站核心舱。
« Last Edit: 10/15/2016 07:59 AM by eeergo »
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Re: SZ-12 Shenzhou-12 - CZ-2F - JSLC - 2018
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Re: SZ-12 Shenzhou-12 - CZ-2F - JSLC - 2018
« Reply #18 on: 03/11/2017 04:30 AM »
The launch order is

1) Tian He
2) Tianzhou 2
3) Shenzhou 12
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Re: SZ-12 Shenzhou-12 - CZ-2F - JSLC - 2018
« Reply #19 on: 03/11/2017 05:30 AM »
 Tian He core module has dealy to 2019

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