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Re: NASA FY 2017 Budget Request
« Reply #20 on: 02/09/2016 05:59 PM »
Bolden tears up about how he never expected to grow up in the segregated south and serve under a black president.

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Re: NASA FY 2017 Budget Request
« Reply #21 on: 02/09/2016 06:00 PM »
a funny stream freeze..... Hey is Charlie running for higher office now?
This was one "political" speech
« Last Edit: 02/09/2016 06:02 PM by Prober »
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Online Chris Bergin

Re: NASA FY 2017 Budget Request
« Reply #22 on: 02/09/2016 06:02 PM »
And that's it. Ends in tears again, webcast ended as the Langley director was about to say something.

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Re: NASA FY 2017 Budget Request
« Reply #23 on: 02/09/2016 06:03 PM »
Well I know it wasn't aimed at a hard nosed Yorkshireman, but I thought that was fluffy and dull.

Carry on.

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Re: NASA FY 2017 Budget Request
« Reply #24 on: 02/09/2016 06:22 PM »
FY 17 Request for SLS and Orion on page 5:

Orion Program $1,119.8M (FY16 $1,270.0M -enacted)
Space Launch System (SLS) $1,310.3M (FY16 $2,000.0M)
Exploration Ground Systems (EGS) $429.4M (FY16 $410.0M)

Commercial crew is now under "Space Operations - Space Transportation" (see page 6):

Commercial Crew $1184.8M
Crew and Cargo $1,572.8M

http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/fy_2017_budget_estimates.pdf

I edited the numbers. I initially took the wrong year...

More details are available on pages 394 and the following of the PDF for SLS and Orion and pages 481 and the following of the PDF for commercial crew and cargo:
http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/fy_2017_budget_estimates.pdf
« Last Edit: 02/09/2016 07:29 PM by yg1968 »

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Re: NASA FY 2017 Budget Request
« Reply #25 on: 02/09/2016 06:29 PM »
I live in the deep South and it is time to move on.  There is interracial dating and marriage now.  Nobody really cares about race anymore except a few extremes on both sides, and the media blows it all out of proportion when something happens.  Lets get into space.  Who cares what color or gender.  I do think married couples would make better long term space explorers such as to Mars and back though.   

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« Reply #26 on: 02/09/2016 06:29 PM »
Wow. SLS and Orion really hit hard. And they were already at zero percent confidence on the EM-2 schedule.

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Re: NASA FY 2017 Budget Request
« Reply #27 on: 02/09/2016 06:33 PM »
Wow. SLS and Orion really hit hard. And they were already at zero percent confidence on the EM-2 schedule.


I'm surprised by JWST thought that budget was locked in for x amount of years or are we done with that?


For years Commercial Crew screamed of shortages now they propose less?   Pandora's box here.
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Re: NASA FY 2017 Budget Request
« Reply #28 on: 02/09/2016 06:35 PM »
Wow. SLS and Orion really hit hard. And they were already at zero percent confidence on the EM-2 schedule.

Every year the President tries to cut funding for SLS and Orion but it never works.

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Re: NASA FY 2017 Budget Request
« Reply #29 on: 02/09/2016 06:46 PM »
Wow. SLS and Orion really hit hard. And they were already at zero percent confidence on the EM-2 schedule.

Every year the President tries to cut funding for SLS and Orion but it never works.

Congress will look at the President's budget and say "That's nice." Then they'll throw it in the trash and come up with their own numbers.

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Re: NASA FY 2017 Budget Request
« Reply #30 on: 02/09/2016 07:08 PM »
Wow. SLS and Orion really hit hard. And they were already at zero percent confidence on the EM-2 schedule.

Every year the President tries to cut funding for SLS and Orion but it never works.

Congress will look at the President's budget and say "That's nice." Then they'll throw it in the trash and come up with their own numbers.
Don't forget how they'll try to kill Oppy and LRO, and butcher Commercial Crew
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Re: NASA FY 2017 Budget Request
« Reply #31 on: 02/09/2016 07:45 PM »
Wow. SLS and Orion really hit hard. And they were already at zero percent confidence on the EM-2 schedule.
Given that the original schedule is out the window, and that there is now more time to do a fixed amount of work logically results in the funding required for a given time-frame (in this case a certain fiscal year) will decrease. This is reflected in this budget proposal. The proposal basically confirms the rumored delays and in this case follows the delays, not cause them.

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Re: NASA FY 2017 Budget Request
« Reply #32 on: 02/09/2016 08:14 PM »
Wouldn't the changes for Orion and SLS simple reflect a good portion of the development has been accomplished.

A similar change in budget happen after Apollo development was accomplished.

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Re: NASA FY 2017 Budget Request
« Reply #33 on: 02/09/2016 08:22 PM »
Wow. SLS and Orion really hit hard. And they were already at zero percent confidence on the EM-2 schedule.
Given that the original schedule is out the window, and that there is now more time to do a fixed amount of work logically results in the funding required for a given time-frame (in this case a certain fiscal year) will decrease. This is reflected in this budget proposal. The proposal basically confirms the rumored delays and in this case follows the delays, not cause them.
I'm willing to bet that that's not how Congress will intepret those red numbers.

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Re: NASA FY 2017 Budget Request
« Reply #34 on: 02/09/2016 08:49 PM »
This may have been Charlie's last "State of NASA" speech...
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Re: NASA FY 2017 Budget Request
« Reply #35 on: 02/09/2016 09:23 PM »
Listen to NASA Chief Financial Officer David Radzanowski discuss the budget request at 5 p.m. EST.
http://www.nasa.gov/news/media/newsaudio/index.html

This is currently on NASA News Audio. A copy of the slides can be found here:
http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/final_nasa_fy2017_summary_brief_02_5_16.pdf
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Re: NASA FY 2017 Budget Request
« Reply #36 on: 02/09/2016 09:39 PM »
Here's the NASA-only section of the budget request:

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BUDGET-2017-APP/pdf/BUDGET-2017-APP-1-26.pdf

[copy also attached]
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Re: NASA FY 2017 Budget Request
« Reply #37 on: 02/09/2016 10:13 PM »
And the CSF are happy:


CSF Statement on FY17 Budget Request
 
February 9, 2016

Washington D.C. – Today the Obama administration submitted its FY2017 budget request to Congress. The request includes proposed funding and guidance for all NASA programs and the Federal Aviation Administration’s (FAA) Office of Commercial Space Transportation (AST).

“I commend the Administration for a budget that provides robust funding for NASA and FAA AST,” said CSF president Eric Stallmer. “We applaud the proposals that would enable and utilize private space capabilities to help build a sustainable American expansion into the Solar System from the edge of space through low-Earth orbit to the Moon and beyond. It builds on the strong foundation established by the FY16 Omnibus and Commercial Space Launch Competitiveness Act. We look forward to working with the Congress to fully fund a number of the proposals in this request, while also championing efforts to shore up areas that need additional input and support.”

Within the NASA portfolio, the request continues the bipartisan commitment to the United States achieving safe, reliable, and independent human access to the International Space Station (ISS) from American soil by 2017. The request provides funding for NASA’s Commercial Crew and Cargo programs to ensure that the nation has multiple U.S.-based transportation capabilities to and from the ISS, ending NASA’s dependence on Russia, and expanding ISS scientific research and technology development activities through 2024. The request includes funds for the development of a deep space habitat, which should utilize a public-private partnership to ensure NASA meets the Congressionally mandated 2018 deadline for development of a prototype habitation module. Finally, the request includes $15 million for the Flight Opportunities program to enable affordable testing of new technologies necessary for future exploration plans, and provides critical training opportunities needed to sustain a skilled workforce.

The budget request includes $19.8 million, an increase of $2 million over FY16, for the FAA’s Office of Commercial Space Transportation, to ensure that it has the resources necessary to process and approve commercial space launch and reentry licenses, experimental permits, and spaceport licenses in a timely manner, which will help reduce the possibility of delayed launches, slowed innovation, and a diminution in the United States competitive edge. In addition, the request includes $3 million for Commercial Space Transportation Safety to better integrate commercial launch and reentry “traffic” with the National Airspace System.
About the Commercial Spaceflight Federation

The mission of the Commercial Spaceflight Federation (CSF) is to promote the development of commercial human spaceflight, pursue ever-higher levels of safety, and share best practices and expertise throughout the industry. The Commercial Spaceflight Federation’s member companies, which include commercial spaceflight developers, operators, spaceports, suppliers, and service providers, are creating thousands of high-tech jobs nationwide, working to preserve American leadership in aerospace through technology innovation, and inspiring young people to pursue careers in science and engineering.

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Re: NASA FY 2017 Budget Request
« Reply #38 on: 02/10/2016 12:46 AM »
Jeff Foust's story:
http://spacenews.com/white-house-proposes-19-billion-nasa-budget/

Interesting bit about EUS:
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Although the fiscal year 2016 spending bill directed NASA to work on a new, more powerful upper stage for SLS called the Exploration Upper Stage (EUS) so that it could be ready for EM-2, Radzanowski said the budget proposal assumes the less powerful upper stage flying on EM-1 would also be used on EM-2.

"We are moving forward on Exploration Upper Stage," he said. "We can’t support it for EM-2 at this budget request."

I don't imagine that will go down well with folks like Senator Shelby, but then neither will the related top of the ESD line items.

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Re: NASA FY 2017 Budget Request
« Reply #39 on: 02/10/2016 12:57 AM »
Wow. SLS and Orion really hit hard. And they were already at zero percent confidence on the EM-2 schedule.
The president's budget request this year is as close to an irrelevant document as you can get. Congress isn't even going to hold a hearing on it.

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