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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #20 on: 08/14/2014 06:35 PM »
SpaceX tweeted a new (?) image, looks like the Orbcomm launch: https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/499700680970346497
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Last week’s launch marks 60 Merlin 1D engines designed & built by SpaceX that have powered Falcon 9 to space. Woot!

Um ... six F9 v1.1 launches, 9 Merlin 1D engines per rocket (including second stage vac).  My math doesn't get there.  :o
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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #21 on: 08/14/2014 06:37 PM »
SpaceX tweeted a new (?) image, looks like the Orbcomm launch: https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/499700680970346497
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Last week’s launch marks 60 Merlin 1D engines designed & built by SpaceX that have powered Falcon 9 to space. Woot!

Um ... six F9 v1.1 launches, 9 Merlin 1D engines per rocket (including second stage vac).  My math doesn't get there.  :o

That's because you forget one engine. 9 M1D + 1 M1DVac per flight.
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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #22 on: 08/14/2014 06:42 PM »
He included it in his post but must have thought Falcon 9 stood for 9 engines total on the entire rocket. So to be clear for those who may not know. 1st stage has 9 engines, 2nd stage has 1 engine. Combined, it's a 10 engine launcher. Oh, and yes, they are all Merlin 1Ds
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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #23 on: 08/14/2014 06:50 PM »
Um ... six F9 v1.1 launches, 9 Merlin 1D engines per rocket (including second stage vac).  My math doesn't get there.  :o
That's because you forget one engine. 9 M1D + 1 M1DVac per flight.
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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #24 on: 08/14/2014 10:25 PM »
SpaceX has released a second video of the Falcon 9 booster controlled-descent flight test on the 14 July 2014 (ORBCOMM OG2) flight, this one from a chase plane.

That video is being discussed in this thread: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=35410.0
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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #25 on: 08/15/2014 01:41 AM »
Looks like a Falcon 9 fairing washed ashore in Cape Hatteras. OG2 perhaps?

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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #26 on: 08/15/2014 01:50 AM »
Does that count as the first pictures of a partially recovered Falcon 9? :D
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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #27 on: 08/15/2014 01:55 AM »
Looks like a Falcon 9 fairing washed ashore in Cape Hatteras. OG2 perhaps?
Better notify Elon and SpaceX ;).

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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #28 on: 08/15/2014 01:56 AM »
Does that count as the first pictures of a partially recovered Falcon 9? :D
I believe so in terms of public images for what may be a v1.1 fairing.

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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #29 on: 08/15/2014 02:04 AM »
Looks like a Falcon 9 fairing washed ashore in Cape Hatteras. OG2 perhaps?

Poor man... Only the flip flops remain...
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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #30 on: 08/15/2014 02:34 AM »
Does that count as the first pictures of a partially recovered Falcon 9? :D
I believe so in terms of public images for what may be a v1.1 fairing.

No, not the first, pieces of the CASSIOPE fairing were spotted being recovered in L.A.:

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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #31 on: 08/15/2014 02:36 AM »
Looks like a Falcon 9 fairing washed ashore in Cape Hatteras. OG2 perhaps?

Poor man... Only the flip flops remain...
yep squashed like a bug after Entry Interface or impact ... must I've lost his shoes at some point in the flight.

Most likely they are for size comparison and belong to the photographer/bystander that took the pic.

we will never know for sure ;)

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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #32 on: 08/15/2014 03:47 AM »
Assuming full reusability happens, could SpaceX's business model transition away from launch services with the F9v1.1?  They would just build the F9R and sell them to those who want to provide launch services.  i.e. become more like Boeing or Airbus instead of Delta or American Airlines.  Or maybe create a launch provider subsidiary like ULA is to LM/Boeing?
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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #33 on: 08/15/2014 03:56 AM »
And give up the cash cow that'll likely fund their Mars ambitions? Think again.
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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #34 on: 08/15/2014 05:40 AM »
Assuming full reusability happens, could SpaceX's business model transition away from launch services with the F9v1.1?  They would just build the F9R and sell them to those who want to provide launch services.  i.e. become more like Boeing or Airbus instead of Delta or American Airlines.  Or maybe create a launch provider subsidiary like ULA is to LM/Boeing?

IMO - not until they have a vehicle that is gas-n-go. So not for a VERY long time.

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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #35 on: 08/15/2014 07:14 AM »
OK, here's another question: do we know the F9 v1.1 and FH of today as is can perform long duration flights and multiple 2nd stage re-start missions? (e.g. direct geosynchronous/GPS orbit insertion missions or transition missions between different orbits in LEO) I know that there are such missions booked right now (e.g. FH/STP-2 next year), but did the F9 that has already flown carries the required power sources, RCS fuel systems and pressurization systems needed to fly such long-duration flights yet? If not, when do SpaceX plans to certify that before the first such mission comes in the next year or two?
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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #36 on: 08/15/2014 08:48 PM »
Many more pictures of the washed up fairing can be found at temp bana/0bo6s

They show a few more details, though it all still looks pretty beat up. 

Edit: And the forum word replacement strikes again.  I'm sure you can figure it out though. 
« Last Edit: 08/15/2014 08:49 PM by TSomers »

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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #37 on: 08/15/2014 10:18 PM »
Many more pictures of the washed up fairing can be found at temp bana/0bo6s

They show a few more details, though it all still looks pretty beat up. 

Edit: And the forum word replacement strikes again.  I'm sure you can figure it out though.
link doesn't work

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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #38 on: 08/15/2014 10:26 PM »
Many more pictures of the washed up fairing can be found at temp bana/0bo6s

They show a few more details, though it all still looks pretty beat up. 

Edit: And the forum word replacement strikes again.  I'm sure you can figure it out though.
link doesn't work

Try this: http://tinyurl.com/p42czsh

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Re: General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 11)
« Reply #39 on: 08/15/2014 10:34 PM »
Many more pictures of the washed up fairing can be found at temp bana/0bo6s

They show a few more details, though it all still looks pretty beat up. 

Edit: And the forum word replacement strikes again.  I'm sure you can figure it out though.
link doesn't work

Try this: http://tinyurl.com/p42czsh

Looks like a fairing, cant be part of a boat, too thin

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