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Endeavour @ California Science Center
« on: 02/28/2013 11:59 PM »
Endeavour today (Feb 28, 2013).  A seriously cool exhibit, and free to see (except for the $10 parking, but it is L.A. after all).

Endeavour seems like she belongs in this place.  This town, and its suburbs, reeks of aerospace history, some of it ongoing.  Today I saw the factory where McDonnell built Thor, Delta, S-IVB, and Skylab.  I drove past Rocketdyne Canoga Park, where F-1, H-1, RS-27, SSME, and on and on were born.  I passed the place where once upon a time a factory stood where Apollo was born.  I ate lunch across the street from where North American Aviation built S-II.  Up the road an hour or so is where Endeavour and sisters were fabricated.  A little further is where the sound barrier was broken, and where X-15 headed for the fringes of space.

Not to mention all of the Howard Hughes and Donald Douglas and Kelley Johnson legacy landmarks, though many of those are now just demolished addresses (the original Skunk Works in Burbank, for example, and Boeing is currently shedding office space and workers as fast as it can throughout the region - hopefully some bits and pieces can be saved for posterity.)

Millions of people, literally, swarmed along the route when Endeavour was rolled to the Museum here.  The people here absolutely embraced this machine, because they feel they know her, or they know someone who helped build her, or helped her fly.

But it isn't all ancient history here.  Sea Launch and SpaceX continue the tradition, and Boeing and others are still hard at work on something behind those various gates. 

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #1 on: 03/01/2013 06:00 AM »
Great post, Ed. Did they require timed tickets with a processing fee?

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #2 on: 03/02/2013 02:21 AM »
Great post, Ed. Did they require timed tickets with a processing fee?
There is a $2 fee for online timed tickets, or you can chance it and just walk up to get a free ticket, though that is iffy on weekends as I understand things. I did the online ticket but got there early and asked for an earlier time, which they happily provided. I was there midday Thursday, but this was pre tourist season!

The Center also has Gemini 11, MR-2, and ASTP. And an AR-12/SR-71 outside.

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #3 on: 03/17/2013 12:01 AM »
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #4 on: 05/10/2013 05:30 PM »
When will the ET and SRBs be set up? 

I bet it will look amazing seeing Endeavour hooked up to a sling and mated to the replica stack.

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #5 on: 05/10/2013 05:51 PM »
When will the ET and SRBs be set up? 

I bet it will look amazing seeing Endeavour hooked up to a sling and mated to the replica stack.

3-5 years, they need a lot more donations.

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #6 on: 05/12/2013 06:51 PM »
More from the Endeavour Shuttle at California Science Center, Los Angeles

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More from the Endeavour Shuttle at California Science Center, Los Angeles during a short Layover.
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #7 on: 05/12/2013 11:06 PM »
Great video! It made me feel as if I was there.

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #8 on: 05/31/2013 05:09 PM »
Space shuttle Endeavour's Toyota tow truck gives California Science Center a lift
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-053113a.html

The pickup truck that last year helped to tow a retired space shuttle to its museum display is now part of an interactive exhibit designed to demonstrate how to pick up large things.

The California Science Center in Los Angeles, which now displays the space shuttle Endeavour, debuted its newly-upgraded "Giant Lever" exhibit Friday morning (May 31), featuring the silver Toyota Tundra pickup truck that helped deliver the massive orbiter to the museum last October...

...Friday's unveiling wasn't the only "pickup" however, for the science center: Toyota Motor Sales, USA also presented the museum with a check for $401,300, the amount raised during a "tweet drive" leading up to the Tundra's towing of Endeavour.

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #9 on: 05/31/2013 06:37 PM »
I wonder if that's how Toyota visioned their Tundra being used.

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #10 on: 05/31/2013 06:49 PM »
I wonder if that's how Toyota visioned their Tundra being used.

It was; from Toyota's Sept. 12, 2012 press release announcing its Tundra would be used to tow Endeavour:

Toyota currently has a Tundra truck on display in a Science Center exhibit demonstrating the physics of leverage. The tow Tundra will replace the existing Tundra and will be on display after the Endeavour exhibit opens on October 30, 2012.

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #11 on: 05/31/2013 07:56 PM »
Oh. I see.

What's the fate of the old Tundra?

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #12 on: 05/31/2013 09:07 PM »
No idea, but that Giant Lever has been on exhibit since 2003, so its a 10-year old Tundra that's never run and parked outside for decade...

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« Reply #13 on: 06/08/2013 02:26 AM »
No idea, but that Giant Lever has been on exhibit since 2003, so its a 10-year old Tundra that's never run and parked outside for decade...

True. Thanks for the info!

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #14 on: 07/30/2013 09:01 PM »
I mentioned to Chris that I was going to the California Science Center today to see Endeavour and he asked for pics. So here they are.

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« Reply #15 on: 07/30/2013 09:23 PM »
Nice work QG! Great pics - she looks well looked after.

Those RSMEs do look convincing!

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #16 on: 07/30/2013 10:37 PM »
I was there too today! It was the third time I saw her in person, the first times being while Endeavour was awaiting decommissioning/transport in the VAB and again while she overflew NorCal.

Edit: Sorry for the photos being sideways. They're from my phone which is currently running super slow and chrashing often. So I couldn't change their orientation. 
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #17 on: 07/31/2013 02:40 AM »
Wow miss my chance to meet QuantumG.  Endeavor must have been ringing in many NSF ears recently.   Saw her on the flyovers here in LA, the street parade  (LAX to CSC) and recently my first visit at the California Science Center.

Here's my collection from three weeks ago,

http://www.flickr.com/photos/72664800@N00/sets/72157634569340459/
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #18 on: 07/31/2013 02:52 AM »
Thanks QG for a great picture set. The spacehab exhibit is relatively new? It wasn't there in March, I don't think. Was there also an SSME (complete; detached from Endeavour) in the corner, or has that been moved?
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #19 on: 07/31/2013 03:23 AM »
Thanks QG for a great picture set. The spacehab exhibit is relatively new? It wasn't there in March, I don't think. Was there also an SSME (complete; detached from Endeavour) in the corner, or has that been moved?

I guess so, I don't know what was there in March :)

The separate SSME was there. IMG_6911 is a picture of it, rotate 90 degrees if you don't recognize it! :)
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #20 on: 07/31/2013 12:07 PM »
Nice work QG! Great pics - she looks well looked after.

Those RSMEs do look convincing!

Seems like Discovery got the shaft on the RSME's, Hers dont look nearly as good as Atlantis and Endeavour.
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« Reply #21 on: 08/01/2013 01:31 PM »
Hopefully they aren't letting dust and cobwebs gather on her like Discovery.

Great pictures guys! I'm glad some of you got pictures of Endeavour's tiles. A lot of people don't take pictures of them. I guess because they don't understand how important they are.

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« Reply #22 on: 08/01/2013 03:27 PM »
Seems like Discovery got the shaft on the RSME's, Hers dont look nearly as good as Atlantis and Endeavour.

They were the first ones done and, yes, they look too "new". IIRC, Smithsonian intends to have them repainted at some point. Probably comes down to fundraising and allocating the dollars amongst the other exhibits.

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« Reply #23 on: 08/01/2013 05:07 PM »
Yeah where as Atlantis and Endeavours looked nice and used :)

Im glad to know at some point they plan to update that and paint to better look realistic
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #24 on: 08/01/2013 05:11 PM »
I guess it doesn't matter which shuttle you visit....they are all beautiful!!

Great pictures!

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« Reply #25 on: 08/01/2013 05:21 PM »
Personal photos from NSFers are always great to see. Thanks for sharing them with us! :)
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« Reply #26 on: 09/06/2013 04:44 AM »
http://www.californiasciencecenter.org/GenInfo/NewsAndEvents/Headlines/2013/EndeavourFest/EndeavourFest.php

Felix Baumgartner's Red Bull Stratos capsule will be on display at the CSC starting that weekend

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« Reply #27 on: 09/08/2013 12:34 AM »
Man I wish I could be there..

It makes me happy to see how well LA is treating Endeavour.

Less than a year til a see her..
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« Reply #28 on: 11/25/2013 12:26 AM »
I don't really know where to put this, but I was at the Tampa International Auto Show today.. And what do I see at the Toyota display?

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #29 on: 12/01/2013 09:09 PM »
During this Thanksgiving, and profiting from a visit to a friend, I made a visit to Endeavour in her temporary exhibit in Los Angeles (just after getting off the plane, I couldn't wait :) ) Most of my pictures are similar to the ones already posted, but I tried to get a couple of "new" perspectives.

As an aside comment, I was delighted to examine with my naked eye the tiles impact, including the slightly melted one that I could remember watching live in orbit with the OBSS' cameras, the DAT presentations and the post-flight damage assessments in L2. I have a question for someone with a fresher memory than mine about one of them, however (the one showing the red adhesive): to me, it looks like that was caused post-flight, since it doesn't appear to be burned even though it's facing the direction of motion during re-entry. I asked one of the curators, and she told me they were all caused by launch impacts (I asked her if she knew about the specific history of that one, since it was pretty different-looking from the others)- was she giving a general answer as I suspect? Of course, that doesn't detract from the formidable job these people (volunteers?) do with passion and enthusiasm, day after day, to the very numerous amount of people visiting the exhibit!

In any case, here are some detailed views of the youngster orbiter in the fleet:
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« Reply #30 on: 12/24/2013 03:22 PM »

I have a question for someone with a fresher memory than mine about one of them, however (the one showing the red adhesive): to me, it looks like that was caused post-flight, since it doesn't appear to be burned even though it's facing the direction of motion during re-entry.

To me it appears the red adhesive was used to attach the tile.  Subsequent to that repair (and likely on the last launch) there was an impact that broke away part of the tile and exposed the adhesive.  Since there isn't a "hole" there, there is nothing to draw the air in from the slipstream.  The way I understand it is that a boundary layer forms and the heat doesn't penetrate into a small gap like that.  If it did then any small damage would have been catastrophic.

Similar to the area of your car between the hood and the windshield.  When leaves go in there they don't blow out because the slipstream is going over that gap.

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« Reply #31 on: 12/24/2013 09:54 PM »
The issue was noted (and found in-flight on STS-134) during the MMT briefing on FD3 of STS-134. 

You can find what LeRoy Cain said about it here:  http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=25174.msg740148#msg740148 

You can find the Focused Inspection (FD6) of that tile here: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=25216.msg742277#msg742277

With the quick work of the DAT, they cleared the tile later that evening, found here: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=25216.msg742532#msg742532

In the long run, the MMT decided this was safe enough to bring the crew home without further action.  There's a transcript below the last link if you want to read that.

I believe that spacecane has the right idea, however.  They were testing this with a "Boundry Layer Transition" tile experiment on the final few flights, seeing how the data was further towards the aft of the vehicle with a tile that stuck out from the rest of the belly.  There's a lot more data on this on L2.

Hope this helps!

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #32 on: 01/16/2014 02:39 PM »
Here are pics from a Spacehab view.

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« Reply #33 on: 03/17/2014 06:37 PM »
NASA shuttle veteran gives old parts new life for L.A. exhibit

Dennis Jenkins spent 30 years sending shuttles into space. Now he's helping the California Science Center build its Endeavour display.

http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-c1-shuttle-junk-20140317-dto,0,7967790.htmlstory

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« Reply #34 on: 03/17/2014 11:28 PM »
I heard about the earthquake that hit Los Angeles..

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« Reply #35 on: 03/18/2014 10:58 PM »
I live nearby.  Nothing much other than a wake up to get prepared.  Endeavour is sitting on top of special base isolaters to dampen the shaking effect.
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« Reply #36 on: 03/18/2014 11:33 PM »
I live nearby.  Nothing much other than a wake up to get prepared.  Endeavour is sitting on top of special base isolaters to dampen the shaking effect.
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« Reply #37 on: 03/23/2014 03:17 PM »
Hello all,

Recently I've visisted Endeavour and took some pictures. Maybe not the best in composition or detail but at least in full 24MP glory for all you to enjoy  ;).

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« Reply #38 on: 04/18/2014 10:48 PM »
The L.A. exhibit is the worst of all 3 shuttle exhibits (the KSC exhibit of Atlantis is the best).  The hangar barely fits the shuttle front-to-back so it is difficult to get photographs of the entire shuttle.  Only very wide lenses will work.  They compounded the problem by putting the friggin' gift shop right under and in front of the shuttle's nose.

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« Reply #39 on: 04/18/2014 11:24 PM »
The L.A. exhibit is the worst of all 3 shuttle exhibits (the KSC exhibit of Atlantis is the best).  The hangar barely fits the shuttle front-to-back so it is difficult to get photographs of the entire shuttle.  Only very wide lenses will work.  They compounded the problem by putting the friggin' gift shop right under and in front of the shuttle's nose.

DaveJes1979:  The current facility is temporary.  Obviously you didn't notice the pictures of the new museum that's being built on the opposite end of the building.  The pictures are at the Endeavour exhibit north wall near the gift store that was in your way.  Read the bottom of Robert Pearlman's "collectspace.com" article.

http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-101113a.html
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« Reply #40 on: 04/23/2014 01:08 AM »
Yes, I noticed that model they had off to the side of the future facility.  I assume that it is an enclosed/indoor facility, although that feature I assume is absent from the model for viewability reasons.  It will be very nice indeed to have the full stack upright in there.  I'm sure it will be quite a challenge to get the external tank to the museum over the streets of Los Angeles, however!

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« Reply #41 on: 04/23/2014 01:17 AM »
Yes, I noticed that model they had off to the side of the future facility.  I assume that it is an enclosed/indoor facility, although that feature I assume is absent from the model for viewability reasons.  It will be very nice indeed to have the full stack upright in there.  I'm sure it will be quite a challenge to get the external tank to the museum over the streets of Los Angeles, however!

It won't be a real one I believe. Earthquake requirements has a play in that

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« Reply #42 on: 04/23/2014 02:43 AM »
I was looking for any newer illustrations of Endeavour's new home.  I wasn't lucky but I did fine this short update from the architectural firm involved.

http://www.evidencedesign.com/work--samuel-oschin-air-and-space-center.html

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This week our friends at the California Science Center opened up Endeavour, climbing through the hatch to reconfigure some payload bay items and repopulate the middeck with lockers seats, cargo bags, and the escape pole. Now to fill that payload bay…

[Update 2014_09_25: updated broken link above. TD]
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #43 on: 04/23/2014 04:48 PM »
It won't be a real one I believe. Earthquake requirements has a play in that

CSC declined the offer for KSCVC's tank, but took the SRB's. Leads me to believe Endeavor will be help up by some steel structure with an "ET shell" built around it. I'd be surprised if the SRB's even bear any load. I'll bet the whole thing rests on some ET aft dome mockup with careful attention towards hiding the structure. Of the 3 displays, I think this one is the most interesting from an engineering perspective.

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #44 on: 04/26/2014 03:36 PM »
dont think I have seen this image of the planned exhibit hall before:

http://evidencedesign.com/work/air-and-space-center/

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #45 on: 05/20/2014 04:41 PM »
Space Shuttle Endeavour Will Go Vertical Again | Video Interview

Published on May 20, 2014
The retired shuttle's new home, the California Science Center, has plans to display the orbiter in launch configuration, equipped with solid rocket boosters and external tank.

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #46 on: 09/18/2014 04:42 AM »
During this Thanksgiving, and profiting from a visit to a friend, I made a visit to Endeavour in her temporary exhibit in Los Angeles (just after getting off the plane, I couldn't wait :) ) Most of my pictures are similar to the ones already posted, but I tried to get a couple of "new" perspectives.

As an aside comment, I was delighted to examine with my naked eye the tiles impact, including the slightly melted one that I could remember watching live in orbit with the OBSS' cameras, the DAT presentations and the post-flight damage assessments in L2. I have a question for someone with a fresher memory than mine about one of them, however (the one showing the red adhesive): to me, it looks like that was caused post-flight, since it doesn't appear to be burned even though it's facing the direction of motion during re-entry. I asked one of the curators, and she told me they were all caused by launch impacts (I asked her if she knew about the specific history of that one, since it was pretty different-looking from the others)- was she giving a general answer as I suspect? Of course, that doesn't detract from the formidable job these people (volunteers?) do with passion and enthusiasm, day after day, to the very numerous amount of people visiting the exhibit!

In any case, here are some detailed views of the youngster orbiter in the fleet:

The damage with the red patch was not there during re-entry. If it had been it would have been a bit melted. The red patch is a pad which is bonded to the tile on the side to be bonded to the vehicle aluminum skin.
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #47 on: 09/25/2014 08:03 AM »
Just an FYI, but the California Science Center is planning to open Endeavour's payload bay doors for the first time in 3 years next month... The event is known as "Go for Payload" and will involve installing a secret item inside OV-105's cargo bay on October 25.

This is the first of a couple of stages that will lead up to Endeavour being placed in vertical position at her new exhibition facility (the Samuel Oschin Air and Space Center) at the Science Center in 2018!

https://www.facebook.com/CaliforniaScienceCenter/photos/a.96053644637.109056.46092059637/10153193316449638/?type=1

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #48 on: 09/25/2014 07:51 PM »
How do they state this will be the first operational orbiter that has the bay doors opened outside of the processing facility? First off, they are not operational orbiters (Sadly) and umm... Atlantis had her doors opened at the Exhibit location.... so..... I am not clear on how they think this??

Below is what they are stating lol

"This will be the first time the payload bay doors of an operational orbiter have been opened anywhere except the specialized processing facilities at the Kennedy Space Center or the Palmdale assembly facility."
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #49 on: 09/25/2014 08:36 PM »
I guess, the KSCVC is Kennedy Space Center property, technically.

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« Reply #50 on: 09/26/2014 07:44 AM »
How do they state this will be the first operational orbiter that has the bay doors opened outside of the processing facility? First off, they are not operational orbiters (Sadly) and umm... Atlantis had her doors opened at the Exhibit location.... so..... I am not clear on how they think this??

Below is what they are stating lol

"This will be the first time the payload bay doors of an operational orbiter have been opened anywhere except the specialized processing facilities at the Kennedy Space Center or the Palmdale assembly facility."

The Science Center basically forgot that Atlantis exists...hence the inaccurate info  :P

Since we're owning up to mistakes, it will be 2 years since Endeavour had her payload bay doors opened...not 3 (her doors were closed on June 20, 2012)

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #51 on: 09/27/2014 01:26 AM »
It's funny because people keep telling the CSC that they're information is incorrect, but they keep posting that they're the first ones to do it. I don't know if this is for extra publicity or CSC is just really not paying attention at all.

I guess, the KSCVC is Kennedy Space Center property, technically.

They said that's it's the first time the doors have been opened anywhere other than an OPF or Palmdale. KSCVC is not an OPF.

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« Reply #52 on: 09/27/2014 03:34 AM »
To be fair, I understand the payload bay doors were opened up in space a couple times too.  ;)

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #53 on: 09/28/2014 01:19 PM »
It's funny because people keep telling the CSC that they're information is incorrect, but they keep posting that they're the first ones to do it. I don't know if this is for extra publicity or CSC is just really not paying attention at all.

I guess, the KSCVC is Kennedy Space Center property, technically.

They said that's it's the first time the doors have been opened anywhere other than an OPF or Palmdale. KSCVC is not an OPF.

Well, they are just a few miles away...lol. 

And I remember reading somewhere that one door would stay open after it is placed on the ET/SRB stack and thet one of the Spacehabs would be placed inside.  I think it was on collectSpace.

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #54 on: 09/28/2014 07:03 PM »
It's funny because people keep telling the CSC that they're information is incorrect, but they keep posting that they're the first ones to do it. I don't know if this is for extra publicity or CSC is just really not paying attention at all.

I guess, the KSCVC is Kennedy Space Center property, technically.

They said that's it's the first time the doors have been opened anywhere other than an OPF or Palmdale. KSCVC is not an OPF.

Well, they are just a few miles away...lol. 

And I remember reading somewhere that one door would stay open after it is placed on the ET/SRB stack and thet one of the Spacehabs would be placed inside.  I think it was on collectSpace.

I read that too. I still wonder what payload is being put in Endeavour.

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #55 on: 09/29/2014 12:12 PM »
Worries me that they are tasked with taking care of her but do not even know she is not operational lol, AND that Atlantis beat her out with the Payload Bay Door opening.... haha
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #56 on: 10/02/2014 01:20 AM »
The doors were opened today.

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« Reply #57 on: 10/02/2014 12:26 PM »
Anyone have pictures?
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #58 on: 10/02/2014 05:28 PM »
Here is a video I found:

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #60 on: 10/03/2014 12:26 PM »
So are they going to leave her bay doors open or just until they install the mock payload? I know once standing vertical they will have one door open.
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #61 on: 10/03/2014 03:26 PM »
I believe the payload bay doors will be opened through October 25 at the earliest

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #62 on: 10/03/2014 04:16 PM »
More details will be available next week (CSC currently has the media under an embargo).

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #63 on: 10/03/2014 04:39 PM »
I hope when they have the hatch open and they are inside they treat her with respect and are not wearing dirty shoes, etc messing her all up inside.
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #64 on: 10/03/2014 04:50 PM »
Duuuuuude... C'mon, give the folks at CSC some credit. You saw how Endeavour spent three days on the streets of L.A. and arrived at her new museum unscathed (as opposed to Enterprise's trip down the Hudson River in NY in early 2012--and of course what happened to her during Superstorm Sandy) :)
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« Reply #65 on: 10/03/2014 05:06 PM »
Just thinking how obviously they dont wear clean room type clothes anymore (No reason to now) but they do go in with sneakers, etc I am sure so I would hope no matter which of the 3 sites, if anyone ever has to access them through the hatch they all take extra care inside. But I will say, they are some lucky people to be able to go inside :)
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #66 on: 10/03/2014 05:32 PM »
One things for sure, no other orbiter is opened or messed around with in retirement more than Endeavour. Wouldn't surprise me if she's the most worn out 30 years from now.


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« Reply #68 on: 10/04/2014 02:04 AM »
Got invited to attend the Go For Payload event at the California Science Center this Thursday! Can't wait to find out what they're installing inside Endeavour's cargo bay :)

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« Reply #69 on: 10/04/2014 11:52 AM »
Got invited to attend the Go For Payload event at the California Science Center this Thursday! Can't wait to find out what they're installing inside Endeavour's cargo bay :)

Take tons of pictures!

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« Reply #70 on: 10/05/2014 04:27 AM »
Got invited to attend the Go For Payload event at the California Science Center this Thursday! Can't wait to find out what they're installing inside Endeavour's cargo bay :)

Take tons of pictures!

Copy that :)

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #71 on: 10/09/2014 06:31 PM »
Go for Payload! Spacehab installed inside space shuttle Endeavour for display
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-100914a-space-shuttle-endeavour-go-for-payload.html

A large piece of space equipment was installed in a space shuttle's cargo bay on Thursday (Oct. 9) for what was very likely the last time in history.

In an event titled "Go for Payload," the California Science Center (CSC) in Los Angeles hoisted a Spacehab module into the open hold of the retired space shuttle Endeavour. The logistics module's addition, together with several other real and replica parts, marked a major milestone towards the center's plans to display the NASA winged orbiter in a vertical, launch-ready configuration.


(Article includes details about Go for Payload, as well as the next two phases: Go for Stack and Go for Launch.)

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #72 on: 10/09/2014 07:14 PM »
Go for Payload! Spacehab installed inside space shuttle Endeavour for display
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-100914a-space-shuttle-endeavour-go-for-payload.html

Great article Robert!!  Thanks for the continued updates.
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #73 on: 10/09/2014 07:33 PM »
Awesome, CSC. Late 2017 can't come soon enough.

Even though it's still a little weird that they keep referring to this being the first time the doors of an orbiter have been opened outside an OPF or Palmdale, even though it's not the first... Oh well. I guess whatever brings in more ticket sales...
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #74 on: 10/09/2014 07:44 PM »
Great article Robert!!

Thanks!

Even though it's still a little weird that they keep referring to this being the first time the doors of an orbiter have been opened outside an OPF or Palmdale, even though it's not the first...

At least in my interview (and article), the distinction was made "configured in this way," referencing the GSE that was obtained from NASA Armstrong. KSC used the strongbacks, but not the support stands given Atlantis being mounted the way it is. It's perhaps a minor distinction, but CSC has good reason to be proud of what they've accomplished.

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« Reply #75 on: 10/09/2014 08:18 PM »
Great article Robert!!

Thanks!

Even though it's still a little weird that they keep referring to this being the first time the doors of an orbiter have been opened outside an OPF or Palmdale, even though it's not the first...

At least in my interview (and article), the distinction was made "configured in this way," referencing the GSE that was obtained from NASA Armstrong. KSC used the strongbacks, but not the support stands given Atlantis being mounted the way it is. It's perhaps a minor distinction, but CSC has good reason to be proud of what they've accomplished.

Eh... I guess.

And I agree with you that they have every right to be proud of what they're doing. If I remember correctly.. weren't they the first to pay the full dues for an orbiter?

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #76 on: 10/09/2014 08:29 PM »
CSC and Intrepid were required to cover NASA's expenses. NASA covered the cost of Discovery's delivery (per Congressional order) and Atlantis' delivery was covered by the NASA-managed visitor complex fund.

By the way, the article has now been updated with installation photos.

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« Reply #77 on: 10/09/2014 10:39 PM »
A panorama I took during today's Go For Payload event. More photos coming up shortly

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« Reply #78 on: 10/09/2014 10:42 PM »
Was gonna crop these on Photoshop, I changed my mind  :)

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« Reply #79 on: 10/09/2014 10:47 PM »
Looking forward to construction on Endeavour's permanent home starting next year
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« Reply #80 on: 10/09/2014 11:24 PM »
Thanks for the awesome high resolution pictures, CS.

And TheFallen, great shots! Did they give any other details about the construction of her new home??

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« Reply #81 on: 10/09/2014 11:46 PM »
Thanks for the awesome high resolution pictures, CS.

And TheFallen, great shots! Did they give any other details about the construction of her new home??

Didn't read CollectSpace's article yet, but a press release I got states that the next phase, Go for Stack, begins in 2017 and will involve assembling the two SRBs and replica ET for Endeavour's vertical display. The release states that fuel tank ET-94 will be donated by Michoud to CSC around that time.

Go for Launch is the final phase where Endeavour is attached to her launch stack and positioned inside the new building.

On a not-so-unrelated topic, an F-117 Stealth Fighter will also go on display at the Samuel Oschin Air and Space Center. Can't wait for that as well :)
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« Reply #82 on: 10/09/2014 11:50 PM »
Thanks for the awesome high resolution pictures, CS.  Did they give any other details about the construction of her new home?

I've posted a few more shots here, as well as a fact sheet about the new Samuel Oschin Air and Space Center. And here's a video:



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« Reply #83 on: 10/09/2014 11:54 PM »
The release states that fuel tank ET-94 will be donated by Michoud to CSC around that time.

Unless you have a different release, it is my understanding that it is not ET-94 in its entirety that is being donated but rather only the shuttle attach point hardware from that tank.

To attach Endeavour to the external tank requires massive structural pieces that NASA manufactured in New Orleans. Unfortunately, these pieces were destroyed on every mission since the external tank was not recovered and burned up during re-entry. Luckily, one un-flown external tank (ET-94) remains at the Michoud Assembly Facility and NASA was supportive in donating the hardware to us. In addition, we needed to find specialized bolts, nuts, and washers, some weighing up to 20 pounds.
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« Reply #84 on: 10/10/2014 01:54 AM »
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« Reply #85 on: 10/10/2014 08:01 PM »
followup article from the LA Times:

http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-endeavour-lab-20141010-story.html

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None of the other shuttles on display have equipment in the cargo bay. Endeavour's final pose will also be unique: It will be the only one of the three retired shuttles that orbited the Earth —Endeavour, Atlantis and Discovery — to be posed with its nose pointing to the stars, just like when it flew into space.

The plan is for people to first watch a movie about Endeavour before the screen rises, allowing guests to see the shuttle vertically.

"Just like it's ready to launch," Rudolph said. Walking to the other side, people will be able to peek inside the craft.

"That payload bay door will be open, and you'll be able to look inside," he said, and get a view of the laboratory and storage pod, named Spacehab. Visitors will be able to walk underneath the massive engines.


Photo Credit: Brian Der Brug (Los Angeles Times)
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« Reply #86 on: 10/10/2014 08:15 PM »
We need a "replica Jim" to go along with the Spachab on display since he worked the program! 8)
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #90 on: 10/13/2014 03:30 AM »
http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n1410/09endeavour/#.VDtEY-fQ5hF

The additional new wiring to light up the cabin and cargo area is sigfinificant new news to me.  Thanks for the link.
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« Reply #91 on: 10/13/2014 04:12 PM »
Oh wow... I didn't know they took pieces from Discovery.

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #92 on: 10/13/2014 10:37 PM »
More hardware being installed tomorrow.

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #93 on: 10/14/2014 01:59 PM »
Wonder what they took from Discovery
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #94 on: 10/14/2014 03:46 PM »
From what I understand, the parts removed from Discovery's payload bay were attach points to support the payloads being installed in Endeavour's bay.

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #95 on: 10/14/2014 07:05 PM »
That's a good use of parts. They were just gathering dust on Discovery.
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #96 on: 10/14/2014 10:54 PM »

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #97 on: 10/16/2014 05:57 PM »
Endeavour now has her Canadarm! (The installation of the replica cargo bay cameras come next)

https://www.facebook.com/CaliforniaScienceCenter/photos_stream
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #98 on: 10/16/2014 07:04 PM »
Wasn't that arm only flown on STS-2?

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #99 on: 10/17/2014 01:01 AM »
I have no clue. I thought this arm was a replica... The caption linked to below seems to provide an early history of the robotic arm itself as opposed to mentioning the origin of the one that will actually be in Endeavour's bay

https://www.facebook.com/CaliforniaScienceCenter/photos/a.96053644637.109056.46092059637/10153260560824638/?type=1&theater

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« Reply #100 on: 10/17/2014 04:21 AM »
The arm, airlock, tunnel adapter and cameras are replicas built by Guard-Lee. (Endeavour's flown RMS, 201, which flew on STS-2 and 22 other missions, is on display in Canada.)
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #101 on: 10/18/2014 10:08 PM »
The payload bay doesnt really look like it will be in the configuration for STS-118, the SpaceHab Module is too far aft and the ICC structure on the bottom isnt in the ESP-3 configuration

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #102 on: 10/18/2014 10:12 PM »
aNd just to follow up, that looks like it is the ICC-VLD that flew on STS-127 and STS-132

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #103 on: 10/22/2014 02:11 PM »
Endeavour's payload bay doors are now closed.

Space shuttle doors shut after cargo loaded for launch-like display
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-102114a-space-shuttle-endeavour-go-for-payload.html

Three weeks after they were opened for the first time in three years, space shuttle Endeavour's cargo bay doors were closed on Tuesday (Oct. 21) to await the next phase of the retired NASA winged orbiter's museum display.

This photo gallery presents 25 images documenting the California Science Center's "Go for Payload" activities from door opening to the doors being shut.

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #105 on: 04/06/2015 09:51 PM »
New article:  http://flightclub.jalopnik.com/see-the-last-flight-of-space-shuttle-endeavour-in-all-i-1694098842


That video above is not new, it was provided by NASA way back in Sept 2012, and posted here at this thread:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=27986.msg958511#msg958511

Looks like AVHUB placed it's watermark on top of the NASA logo to boot!!
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #106 on: 11/03/2015 05:37 PM »
3 years ago on my way to my honeymoon with my new wife, I was fortunate enough to catch a glimpse of Endeavour just after she had landed at LAX.  The pilot of my flight has my eternal gratitude for making the extra-long taxi run back to the gate just so that we could see Endeavour on the SCA.

Last week I finally got to visit her!  She's just as stunning up close, I can't wait to see the real exhibit when it's finally built.


I tried to make a super-res panorama just like I did with Atlantis, but the angles aren't quite as nice at the current display so it won't be quite as high-res, will post when I get it done.

edit: why do I always keep typing STA when I mean SCA?? oops :P
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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #107 on: 11/03/2015 05:45 PM »
A couple closeups of tile damage from the last flight
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« Reply #108 on: 11/03/2015 05:46 PM »
I thought it was very cool that they looked like they were powering the cargo bay and cockpit lights through the ET connection points!
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« Reply #109 on: 11/03/2015 05:51 PM »
Spotting this boundary layer trip experiment tile got me started chatting with Jerry, one of many ex-NASA employees they had answering questions for guests.  It was an absolute honour to chat with him and hear his stories about working on the shuttle for 30+ years.

Then he showed me samples of the Nomex insulation, and then let me touch a FLOWN PIECE OF RCC FROM OV-103 (Disovery)!!!  I think I'm never washing that hand again.


Jerry, if you read this, THANK YOU.
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« Reply #110 on: 11/06/2015 04:53 AM »
A model showing the Samuel Oschin Air and Space Center's updated design...as of October 11 (when I took these pics)

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #111 on: 01/29/2016 07:29 PM »
Endeavour, Ahoy!

Published on Jan 29, 2016
Bruce heads the California Science Center for this week's Random Space Fact about the Space Shuttle Endeavour.

Starring Dr. Bruce Betts | Video by Merc Boyan | Music by Jim McKeever | Special thanks to the California Science Center | Additional footage from NASA

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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #112 on: 05/21/2017 03:28 AM »
bump.....
Space Shuttle Endeavour California

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsf6K-kvyy4?t=001



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Re: Endeavour @ California Science Center
« Reply #113 on: 06/20/2017 11:10 PM »
Saw that the CSC had Endeavour's hatch open again... I wonder why.

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« Reply #114 on: 09/13/2017 03:07 PM »
Anyone an idea if they already started the building of the new home of Endeavour? can't find any information. Last i know was this past summer.
Booster ignition and lift off!!

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