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Re: Super Strypi (SPARK) launch vehicle - any info?
« Reply #40 on: 10/04/2014 01:04 AM »
To orbit?
I just saw some idiot at the gym put a water bottle in the pringles holder on the treadmill.

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Re: Super Strypi (SPARK) launch vehicle - any info?
« Reply #41 on: 10/04/2014 01:20 AM »
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Re: Super Strypi (SPARK) launch vehicle - any info?
« Reply #42 on: 10/04/2014 03:47 PM »
Lambda 4S is more comparable to Super Stypi; except for the whole part where Lambda was unguided! IIRC, the only rocket without a guidance system to reach orbit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_4S

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Re: Super Strypi (SPARK) launch vehicle - any info?
« Reply #43 on: 10/07/2014 07:46 PM »
Has any western organization made liquids work for less than $16 million?

SpaceX abandoned the Falcon 1 concept after a few launches, Antonio a while back mentioned that Pegasus was in the $20 million range (Wiki sites has an out of date 1994 number)... Wiki numbers give Vega costing some 1 billion euro's to develop (700 million euro to develop, 400 million euro for the test flights) and 32 million euro's per flight.

Using those numbers, $16 million for access to space sounds like a fair price. The only thing currently cheaper is the subsidized Dnepr which uses refurbished ICBM's and may or not be breaking even.

Sometimes it is about a payload to a given orbit, and not about the mass to orbit. 

I seem to recall that all told Black Arrow was rather "cheap" though I'm not sure what the prices in current money would be. (http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/blaarrow.htm)

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Re: Super Strypi (SPARK) launch vehicle - any info?
« Reply #44 on: 10/08/2014 12:28 AM »
Well first you would have to convert all those pounds to Kg, then figure out how many Euro's in a Kg ;)
I just saw some idiot at the gym put a water bottle in the pringles holder on the treadmill.

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Re: Super Strypi (SPARK) launch vehicle - any info?
« Reply #45 on: 12/05/2014 03:57 PM »
This should be close to first launch by now, any updates?

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Re: Super Strypi (SPARK) launch vehicle - any info?
« Reply #46 on: 12/05/2014 05:43 PM »
Launch cost is mentioned at $16M per mission, which might eventually become $12M per mission. This is for a 300 kg payload. That works out to $53K/kg initially and $40K/kg later. That's not very cheap.
Their pricing is on par with RocketLab and Firefly.

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Re: Super Strypi (SPARK) launch vehicle - any info?
« Reply #48 on: 01/24/2015 07:03 AM »
First launch slipping into next January: http://spacenews.com/article/military-space/41923ors-4-launch-from-hawaii-delayed-until-january

Bump.

It has definitely slipped deeper into 2015, but is there any news around about this project?
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Re: Super Strypi (SPARK) launch vehicle - any info?
« Reply #49 on: 01/24/2015 05:32 PM »
First launch slipping into next January: http://spacenews.com/article/military-space/41923ors-4-launch-from-hawaii-delayed-until-january

Bump.

It has definitely slipped deeper into 2015, but is there any news around about this project?
This web page lists a March 1 date for a "Super Strypi 2" with an "ORS-4" payload.
http://www.eclipticenterprises.com/conferences

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Re: Super Strypi (SPARK) launch vehicle - any info?
« Reply #50 on: 01/25/2015 11:39 AM »
I haven't seen the "Super Strypi 2" designator before.

But during development, the first version was to use the Spark-30 (a.k.a. Star-30BP) stage 3, which was later to be replaced with the LEO-1 (Orbus-1A) stage 3. In the current plan, the 1st vehicle will also fly with an LEO-1 upper stage, i.e. in the second configuration, which is possibly dubbed "Super Strypi 2".

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Re: Super Strypi (SPARK) launch vehicle - any info?
« Reply #51 on: 01/28/2015 08:29 PM »
I haven't seen the "Super Strypi 2" designator before.

But during development, the first version was to use the Spark-30 (a.k.a. Star-30BP) stage 3, which was later to be replaced with the LEO-1 (Orbus-1A) stage 3. In the current plan, the 1st vehicle will also fly with an LEO-1 upper stage, i.e. in the second configuration, which is possibly dubbed "Super Strypi 2".

yes, but I think there might be a few minor tweaks in SS2 configuration.

Edit: One person said it was ATK rolling out a new motor version from manufacturing upgrade and tweak in the casing.
« Last Edit: 01/28/2015 08:30 PM by russianhalo117 »

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Re: Super Strypi (SPARK) launch vehicle - any info?
« Reply #52 on: 02/13/2015 02:18 PM »
Mid-2016, according to the FY 2016 budget request. Apparently there are issues with the first stage motor.

http://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-150130-013.pdf

Look under FY 2015 plans on page 226.
Where it says:

"ORS-4 launch date was originally scheduled for Jan 2015, but first stage motor complications have caused a delay. The restoration of the first stage motor is expected to delay the launch until mid-2016."

This is the Aerojet Rocketdyne LEO-46 motor that was reported to have been test fired in August, 2014, with build up of the first flight motor commencing then.  LEO-46 is supposed to be based on the long-ago-developed GEM-46 that boosted Delta 3 and Delta 2H.  I've no idea what "restoration" means in this context.

Note also that FY15 funding doubled over FY14 for that ORS Tier 3 category. 

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Re: Super Strypi (SPARK) launch vehicle - any info?
« Reply #53 on: 02/14/2015 02:38 PM »
GEM 46 is an ATK product, what does that have to do with Aerojet?

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Re: Super Strypi (SPARK) launch vehicle - any info?
« Reply #54 on: 02/14/2015 04:14 PM »
GEM 46 is an ATK product, what does that have to do with Aerojet?

That is a very good question.  All I know is that "LEO-46 a.k.a. GEM-46" is listed in numerous sources.  The numerous sources might be mistaken, or ATK might supply the core solid motor to Aerojet, or some other arrangement might have been involved.

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Re: Super Strypi (SPARK) launch vehicle - any info?
« Reply #55 on: 02/14/2015 04:15 PM »
Who provides the TVC on the GEM-46?
I just saw some idiot at the gym put a water bottle in the pringles holder on the treadmill.

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Re: Super Strypi (SPARK) launch vehicle - any info?
« Reply #56 on: 02/14/2015 04:38 PM »
Who provides the TVC on the GEM-46?
Don't know, other than that they were hydraulic TVC systems that are no longer used (with the retirement of Delta 3).  ATK more recently has used Moog actuator systems for missile defense tests using TVC steerable GEM-40s.  Moog also makes GEM-60 TVC systems for Delta 4, among devices for numerous rockets.
http://www.moog.com/markets/space/launch-vehicles/commercial-launchers/

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Re: Super Strypi (SPARK) launch vehicle - any info?
« Reply #57 on: 02/14/2015 05:11 PM »
GEM 46 is an ATK product, what does that have to do with Aerojet?

That is a very good question.  All I know is that "LEO-46 a.k.a. GEM-46" is listed in numerous sources.  The numerous sources might be mistaken, or ATK might supply the core solid motor to Aerojet, or some other arrangement might have been involved.

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I guess, there was a mixup uf designations during development. In 2009, it was baselined with a GEM-46 motor, but sometimes later the the motor development was contracted to Aerojet, who deignated their motor LEO-46. Apparently i've got somewhat confused on the designations.

Apparently the Aerojet motors are all new developed motors.

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Re: Super Strypi (SPARK) launch vehicle - any info?
« Reply #58 on: 02/15/2015 04:27 AM »
Does anyone know how much has been spent on this program since 2008?

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Re: Super Strypi (SPARK) launch vehicle - any info?
« Reply #59 on: 02/19/2015 02:27 PM »
Mid-2016, according to the FY 2016 budget request. Apparently there are issues with the first stage motor.


Sheesh. I sat in a press briefing on this mission/flight in May 2013 and the launch was then scheduled for November. It has now slipped almost three years since then?

I feel sorry for the university students who worked on the payload. They're all gonna be graduated, if they haven't already. But to be honest, I couldn't figure this thing out at all. It didn't seem like a capability that anybody requires. I wonder if it was earmarked money, or somebody's pet project.

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