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Re: Brazilian space plans: 2011-2015
« Reply #40 on: 02/10/2013 11:20 PM »
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2013/02/10/brazil-scales-back-launch-vehicle-plans/#more-46949

It looks like an ambitious mess.


Brazil would have been better off developing an indigenous kick stage for the Cyclone 4, to replace the 40 year old design of the Ukrainian 3rd stage, thereby increasing performance and reducing pollution from the toxic fuel of the 3rd stage.

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Re: Brazilian space plans: 2011-2015
« Reply #41 on: 02/11/2013 05:51 AM »
Scheduled:

Date - Satellite(s) - Rocket - Launch Site (Country) - Time (UTC)

2013

TBD - suborbital test flight - VLS-1 (XVT-01)- Alcântara

2014
TBD - ITASAT-1, Microsat, Nano-JASMINE - Cyclone-4 - Alcântara (Brazil/Ukraine)
TBD - TBD - VLS-1 (XVT-02) - Alcântara
December - Amazonia-1 - TBD - TBD

2015
ITASAT-1 - TBD - VLM (V-01) - Alcântara
2014 TBD - TBD - VLS-1 (V-04) - Alcântara
TBD - Amazonia-1B - TBD - TBD

2016
TBD - TBD - VLM (V-02) - Alcântara
TBD - GTEO/FLORA - TBD - TBD

2017
TBD - TBD - VLM (V-03) - Alcântara
TBD - Sabia-MAR 1 (Brazil/Argentina) - TBD - TBD
TBD - LATTES-1 - TBD - TBD

2018
2017 TBD - TBD - VLS-Alfa (V-01) - Alcântara
TBD - CLE-1 - VLM (V-04) - Alcântara
TBD - Amazonia-2 - TBD - TBD
TBD - SAR - TBD - TBD

2019
TBD - AST-1 - VLM (V-05) - Alcântara
TBD- TBD - VLS-Alfa (V-02) - Alcântara
TBD - Sabia-MAR 1B (Brazil/Argentina) - TBD - TBD

2020
TBD - AST-2 - VLM (V-06) - Alcântara
TBD - TBD - VLS-Alfa (V-03) - Alcântara
TBD - TBD - VLS-Beta (V-01) - Alcântara

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Re: Brazilian space plans: 2011-2015
« Reply #42 on: 02/12/2013 06:41 PM »
I have the National Space Plan 2012-2020. It's a lot more realistic than before, and has more humble objectives.Since it's a 40MB PDF, I can't upload it, but you can download it from the AEB site.
I've also have the presentation about the L75 Kerosene/LOX engine. It's a GG 75kN Kerosene/LOX upper stage engine with 324s of isp. The presentation is amazing. I'm surprised their laws allowed so much information to be released to the public. Apparently, it's actually based of the RD-0109, that's where the Russians appear as partners in the Estrella do Sul project.
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Re: Brazilian space plans: 2011-2015
« Reply #43 on: 02/12/2013 09:57 PM »

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Re: Brazilian space plans: 2011-2015
« Reply #44 on: 02/12/2013 10:21 PM »
I've also have the presentation about the L75 Kerosene/LOX engine. It's a GG 75kN Kerosene/LOX upper stage engine with 324s of isp. The presentation is amazing. I'm surprised their laws allowed so much information to be released to the public. Apparently, it's actually based of the RD-0109, that's where the Russians appear as partners in the Estrella do Sul project.

For those who don't follow these things, the RD-0109 engine was used as the upper stage of the Vostok rocket which launched Yuri Gagarin. AFAIK, it has not been used for space launch in almost 30 years.

However, a development of that engine would make a wonderful kick stage for the Cyclone rocket, since the engine uses kerosine/oxygen, rather than toxic propellants.
 

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Re: Brazilian space plans: 2011-2015
« Reply #45 on: 02/13/2013 04:00 AM »
Brazil tested the new 'Torre Móvel de Integração' (TMI) - Integration Movable Towel, with a VLS-1 mock-up.
Do you mean to say tower and not towel?

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Re: Brazilian space plans: 2011-2015
« Reply #46 on: 02/13/2013 04:27 AM »
Brazil tested the new 'Torre Móvel de Integração' (TMI) - Integration Movable Towel, with a VLS-1 mock-up.
Do you mean to say tower and not towel?

Always know where your tower is!  ;)

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Re: Brazilian space plans: 2011-2015
« Reply #47 on: 02/13/2013 01:16 PM »
Brazil tested the new 'Torre Móvel de Integração' (TMI) - Integration Movable Towel, with a VLS-1 mock-up.
Do you mean to say tower and not towel?
According to the HHGTTG, you can use a towel for anything.

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Re: Brazilian space plans: 2011-2015
« Reply #48 on: 02/17/2013 08:02 PM »
Scheduled:

Date - Satellite(s) - Rocket - Launch Site (Country) - Time (UTC)

2013

TBD - suborbital test flight - VLS-1 (XVT-01)- Alcântara

2014
TBD - TBD - VLS-1 (XVT-02) - Alcântara
November-December - Microsat, Nano-JASMINE - Cyclone-4 - Alcântara (Brazil/Ukraine)
December - Amazonia-1 - TBD - TBD

2015
2nd quarter-3rd  quarter - QB50 - Cyclone-4 - Alcântara (Brazil/Ukraine) (or LM-MLV)
ITASAT-1 - TBD - VLM (V-01) - Alcântara
TBD - TBD - VLS-1 (V-04) - Alcântara
TBD - Amazonia-1B - TBD - TBD

2016
TBD - TBD - VLM (V-02) - Alcântara
TBD - GTEO/FLORA - TBD - TBD

2017
TBD - TBD - VLM (V-03) - Alcântara
TBD - Sabia-MAR 1 (Brazil/Argentina) - TBD - TBD
TBD - LATTES-1 - TBD - TBD

2018
TBD - TBD - VLS-Alfa (V-01) - Alcântara
TBD - CLE-1 - VLM (V-04) - Alcântara
TBD - Amazonia-2 - TBD - TBD
TBD - SAR - TBD - TBD

2019
TBD - AST-1 - VLM (V-05) - Alcântara
TBD- TBD - VLS-Alfa (V-02) - Alcântara
TBD - Sabia-MAR 1B (Brazil/Argentina) - TBD - TBD

2020
TBD - AST-2 - VLM (V-06) - Alcântara
TBD - TBD - VLS-Alfa (V-03) - Alcântara
TBD - TBD - VLS-Beta (V-01) - Alcântara

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Re: Brazilian space plans: 2011-2015
« Reply #49 on: 02/19/2013 05:50 PM »
http://www.oosa.unvienna.org/oosa/en/COPUOS/stsc/2013/presentations.html
Aerospace Science and Technology Department: Contributions towards the Brazilian Space Program
E. Viegas Dalle Lucca, Brazil

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Re: Brazilian space plans: 2011-2015
« Reply #50 on: 04/10/2013 04:49 AM »
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Re: Brazilian space plans: 2011-2015
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Re: Brazilian space plans: 2011-2015
« Reply #52 on: 04/14/2013 06:31 PM »
VLM-1, Dream or Reality? Certainly A Necessity (Portuguese):
http://brazilianspace.blogspot.com/2013/04/vlm-1-sonho-ou-realidade-certamente-uma.html

There is а list of projects satellites currently underway in Brazil in this article.

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Re: Brazilian space plans: 2011-2015
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Re: Brazilian space plans: 2011-2015
« Reply #54 on: 06/08/2013 08:42 PM »
One wonder if the upcoming Fifa world cup 2014 and the 2016 summer Olympics games will impact the funding level of the Brazilian space programs from 2013 to 2016?

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Re: Brazilian space plans: 2011-2015
« Reply #55 on: 06/10/2013 05:35 PM »
They haven't been able to even implement a G4 network for the Fifa World Cup, and all the stadiums are behind schedule. Corruption was so rampant that even the president of the Brazilian Football Federation had to resign. Something unheard of.
Of course my country is worse in that regard. But I don't think technology development is a driver for Dilma.

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Re: Brazilian space plans: 2011-2015
« Reply #56 on: 07/04/2013 01:06 PM »
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2013/02/10/brazil-scales-back-launch-vehicle-plans/#more-46949

It looks like an ambitious mess.


Brazil would have been better off developing an indigenous kick stage for the Cyclone 4, to replace the 40 year old design of the Ukrainian 3rd stage, thereby increasing performance and reducing pollution from the toxic fuel of the 3rd stage.


I kinda wish Brazil would learn "NOT" to use the Cyclone with it's toxic fuels.  Look at the Proton mess.

Time is still available to switch to the other Ukraine design.  It would be best for both partners.

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Re: Brazilian space plans: 2011-2015
« Reply #58 on: 07/13/2013 07:44 PM »
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2013/02/10/brazil-scales-back-launch-vehicle-plans/#more-46949

It looks like an ambitious mess.


Brazil would have been better off developing an indigenous kick stage for the Cyclone 4, to replace the 40 year old design of the Ukrainian 3rd stage, thereby increasing performance and reducing pollution from the toxic fuel of the 3rd stage.


I kinda wish Brazil would learn "NOT" to use the Cyclone with it's toxic fuels.  Look at the Proton mess.

Time is still available to switch to the other Ukraine design.  It would be best for both partners.


Which "other Ukrainian" design?

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Re: Brazilian space plans: 2011-2015
« Reply #59 on: 07/13/2013 09:45 PM »
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2013/02/10/brazil-scales-back-launch-vehicle-plans/#more-46949

It looks like an ambitious mess.


Brazil would have been better off developing an indigenous kick stage for the Cyclone 4, to replace the 40 year old design of the Ukrainian 3rd stage, thereby increasing performance and reducing pollution from the toxic fuel of the 3rd stage.


I kinda wish Brazil would learn "NOT" to use the Cyclone with it's toxic fuels.  Look at the Proton mess.

Time is still available to switch to the other Ukraine design.  It would be best for both partners.


Which "other Ukrainian" design?

Mayak, http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=31969.0
not as powerful, but not as toxic.
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