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At present the Russian photoreconnaissance satellite programme appears to be totally reliant on the annual Kobalt-M missions - lasting 3-4 months - and presumably images from Resurs-DK (1).

We had the maiden launch of Persona in 2008 (as Cosmos 2441), but that satellite is reported to have malfunctioned in early 2009.   Is there any news of future Persona launches or even any other new classes of photoreconnaissance satellites appearing?
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #1 on: 12/25/2011 10:50 pm »
I am just re-iterating this query.

Is there news of a second Persona launch being scheduled or maybe the failure on the maiden flight has led to the programme being terminated?

Is there anything official or even rumoured about this, please?
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #2 on: 12/26/2011 08:58 am »
Rumors are that second Persona's optics and some other parts was cаnibalized for Resurs-P.

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #3 on: 12/27/2011 12:40 pm »
Rumors are that second Persona's optics and some other parts was cаnibalized for Resurs-P.

No need to hold my breath for something new coming along in the actual photoreconnaissance programme then.

Still, Resurs-P/PM could be interesting.
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #4 on: 01/02/2012 07:50 am »
Google can find things; but not provide context

What do you make of this?

http://ssu.samara.ru/files/information/report2011/p4_08.rtf
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Проведение измерений передаваемой мощности на тепловых трубах 14Ф137 8974-0, 8975-0, 8961-0, 8962-0, 8963-0 в сотаве испытаний на функционирование в нормальных климатических условиях (ПСИ) для изделия 14Ф137 с №3

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #5 on: 01/02/2012 02:06 pm »
Google can find things; but not provide context

What do you make of this?

http://ssu.samara.ru/files/information/report2011/p4_08.rtf
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Проведение измерений передаваемой мощности на тепловых трубах 14Ф137 8974-0, 8975-0, 8961-0, 8962-0, 8963-0 в сотаве испытаний на функционирование в нормальных климатических условиях (ПСИ) для изделия 14Ф137 с №3

Well, that entry is for work in 2011, so apparently No.3 is still a prospect.
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #7 on: 01/15/2012 04:12 pm »
Now, it seems that the long awaited launch of the Kondor E1 small radar earth observation satellite using a Strela booster will occur in March 2012 from Baikonur according to Aniks list.

Although this is not a photoreconnaissance satellite and it is listed as a civilian project it may provide the Russian military with useful data, too.

Does anybody know whether the Strela launcher will be added to the diversity of ICBM derived launchers (Vostochny launch site)? It was launched only a single time in 2003, and no further launches appear in Aniks list.

Sorry for being a little bit off topic with this question.


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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #9 on: 01/28/2012 09:59 am »
Now, according to the new entry in Aniks list, it seems that Russia plans to launch the second Persona satellite within this year. With Luch 5A in place and Luch 5B in launch preparation the transmission of digital pictures from Persona via the new data relay network will improve the efficiency of the Russian electronic reconnaissance.

Taken into account the many future projects listed and described in Stan Blacks source (http://www.cpnt.ru/userfiles/G_M_Polishuk.pdf) there seems to be no further need to launch analog photoreconnaissance satellites carrying reentry capsules. The launch of the eighth Kobalt-M satellite - no matter if launched this year or in the coming years - could therefore be the last of its kind or could even not take place at all.

However, Russia might focus its efforts to launch more radar satellites (Kondor E in March of this year and Arkon 2 in the coming years) which are capable to observe sites of interest under all-weather conditions (http://www.spacedaily.com/news/radar-05c.html).

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #10 on: 01/28/2012 11:01 am »
With Luch 5A in place and Luch 5B in launch preparation the transmission of digital pictures from Persona via the new data relay network will improve the efficiency of the Russian electronic reconnaissance

You have forgotten about Garpun military relay satellite.

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #11 on: 01/28/2012 10:07 pm »
With Luch 5A in place and Luch 5B in launch preparation the transmission of digital pictures from Persona via the new data relay network will improve the efficiency of the Russian electronic reconnaissance

You have forgotten about Garpun military relay satellite.

You are right, thanks. The classified data from Persona are better transmitted via the Garpun satellite. The Luch data relay network is supposed to support ISS and civilian satellites. Do you have any information about the launch of the second Garpun?

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #12 on: 01/29/2012 06:17 am »
Do you have any information about the launch of the second Garpun?

I suppose this year or next year.

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #13 on: 02/02/2012 05:19 pm »
Maybe this year's Persona #2 launch will replace the recently-annual Kobalt-M launch.
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #14 on: 02/02/2012 07:01 pm »
Can this help provide a clue as to how many 11F695 Kobalt-M?

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По РН 13м133с под КА «Кобальт-М» №559 в октябре стоит задача собрать ее до стыковки с двигателем и оформить. Эту машину до конца года надо постараться собрать и предъявить заказчику в полном объеме.
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Кроме того, на основании договора N 6-01 от 01.07.2001 ФГУП "НИИМаш" изготовило и поставило в адрес ОАО "Машиностроительный завод "Арсенал" опытные двигатели 17Д51 для объекта 11Ф695 (N 558, N 559), используемого для выполнения работ (оказания услуг) непосредственно в космическом пространстве - код ОКДП 7310020, длительность производственного цикла которых согласно заключению Федерального космического агентства от 23.08.2005 также определена свыше 6 месяцев.
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На основании договора от 01.07.2001 N 6-01 предприятие изготовило и поставило в адрес открытого акционерного общества "Машиностроительный завод "Арсенал" опытные двигатели 17Д51 - 8 штук для объекта 11Ф695, используемого для выполнения работ (оказания услуг) непосредственно в космическом пространстве - код ОКДП 7310020, длительность производственного цикла которых согласно заключению Федерального космического агентства от 23.08.2005 также определена свыше 6 месяцев.
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Start date  End date    №    Spacecraft name
03.05.2006  19.07.2006  557  Kosmos 2420     
07.06.2007  23.08.2007  558  Kosmos 2427     
14.11.2008  23.02.2009  559  Kosmos 2445     
29.04.2009  27.07.2009  560  Kosmos 2450     
16.04.2010  21.07.2010  561  Kosmos 2462     
27.06.2011  24.10.2011  562  Kosmos 2472     


http://ofo.ikiweb.ru/bokz.php

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Как следует из оспариваемого решения, налоговому органу были представлены государственный контракт на поставку космического аппарата от 10.01.03 N С32-09-03, решение о поэтапном изготовлении изделия N 11Ф695-3-324-2005, а также дополнительные соглашения от 08.01.05 N ДС32-09-03/1-05/Е03 и от 01.01.05, N ДС32-09-02/1-05/Е03 (л.д. 35 - 49). Пунктом 3.5 указанных дополнительных соглашений определено, что работы, осуществляемые по государственному контракту, входят в состав комплекса подготовительных наземных работ, технологически обусловленного и неразрывно связанного с выполнением работ непосредственно в космическом пространстве, длительность производственного цикла выполнения которых составляет свыше 6 месяцев (код ОКДП - 7310020). Платежные поручения о перечислении авансовых платежей в сумме 2960000000 рублей содержат ссылки как на сами контракты, так и на дополнительные соглашения к ним (л.д. 53 - 55).Налоговый орган оценки положениям п. 3.5 дополнительных соглашений от 08.01.05 N ДС32-09-03/1-05/Е03 и от 01.01.05 N ДС32-09-02/1-05/Е03 не дал, сославшись лишь на то, что Общество поставляет космический аппарат.
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #15 on: 02/03/2012 06:54 am »
Sorry I should have summarised… basically the contracts for 11F695 are from 2005, and one of those was for eight 17D51 rocket engines.
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #16 on: 02/05/2012 09:01 am »
Sorry I should have summarised… basically the contracts for 11F695 are from 2005, and one of those was for eight 17D51 rocket engines.

The former U.S.S.R. and now Russia usually kept one or a few of the "outdated" spacecraft in reserve while introducing a new modification or design of spacecraft type. This reasonable strategy was also used e.g. in case of the manned Soyuz TMA/TMA-M spacecraft. It allows a proper testing of the new spacecraft design without temporarily loosing the basic capability of the particular spacecraft type.

Therefore, I expect the launch of the final Kobalt M-8 satellite after the successful launch and testing of Persona #2, most probably in the middle of 2013. The first Kobalt-M was launched on September 24, 2004 which adds the seventh satellite to Stan Blacks list. 

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #17 on: 02/05/2012 09:41 am »
I noticed that Cosmos 2410 was missing from the Kobalt-M listing - does anyone know what the serial number was, please?   Logic suggest 556 but such logic can't be relied upon.
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #18 on: 02/05/2012 09:39 pm »
 I may have been a little confused… I thought the 17D51 was the complete engine installation like the 17D52… apparently not, it is a low thrust engine of which each Kobalt features more than one.

Perhaps I can redeem myself with this (where I should have looked from the start).
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В связи с этим, производимый космический аппарат "Кобальт" будет заменен космическим аппаратом другого производителя (время снятия с вооружения пока не определено, но не ранее, чем через 5 лет).
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #19 on: 02/06/2012 09:37 am »
So this is what we can expect in the next year or so?

14F139 Pion-NKS (part of Liana)
Serial number 901
Launch vehicle Soyuz-2-1B
ELINT for Navy

14F145 Lotos-S (part of Liana)
Serial number 802
Launch vehicle Soyuz-2-1B
ELINT

11F695 Kobalt-M
Launch vehicle Soyuz-U PVB
Photographic reconnaissance

14F137 Persona
3rd manufactured?
Launch vehicle Soyuz-2-1B

17F112 Bars
Replacement for 11F660 Kometa

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« Reply #20 on: 02/06/2012 10:34 am »
Do we know what sort of design heritage the Bars satellite will have, please?   Will it be rather like the Bion-M design or is that too simple an idea?

Also, I assume that "Persona" is name designator similar to Kobalt-M and that there is also a Yantar or similar designator for the satellite.   Is this correct, does anyone know?
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #21 on: 02/12/2012 04:27 am »
Guys sorry for naive question but what exactly is the difference between Resurs P/PM and Persona satellites? As I understand they both are meant to relay high resolution digital imagery to ground controllers in real time. Or do they both have different capabilities and mission objectives?

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #22 on: 02/12/2012 05:33 am »
Guys sorry for naive question but what exactly is the difference between Resurs P/PM and Persona satellites? As I understand they both are meant to relay high resolution digital imagery to ground controllers in real time. Or do they both have different capabilities and mission objectives?
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Persona is a dedicated photoreconnaissance satellite and uses an optical system which is based upon that demonstrated on the ARKON-1 satellites.   Also, amateur observer photographs taken while the first Persona was in LEO suggest that the solar arrays were deployed in a manner which made the satellite looks like a smaller version of HST.

Resurs-P/PM are notionally "civilian" remote sensing satellites, closely following the design of the Terlien/Neman photoreconnaissance satellites and they are direct descendants of Resurs-DK.   The solar panels will be deployed - like Resurs-DK/Terilen/Neman - on booms extended radially from close to the satellite's base.   Also I belive that Resurs-P/PM will be using orbits which are around 200-400 km lower than the one seen with Persona.
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #23 on: 02/12/2012 05:39 am »
Guys sorry for naive question but what exactly is the difference between Resurs P/PM and Persona satellites? As I understand they both are meant to relay high resolution digital imagery to ground controllers in real time. Or do they both have different capabilities and mission objectives?
Thanks.

Persona is a dedicated photoreconnaissance satellite and uses an optical system which is based upon that demonstrated on the ARKON-1 satellites.   Also, amateur observer photographs taken while the first Persona was in LEO suggest that the solar arrays were deployed in a manner which made the satellite looks like a smaller version of HST.

Resurs-P/PM are notionally "civilian" remote sensing satellites, closely following the design of the Terlien/Neman photoreconnaissance satellites and they are direct descendants of Resurs-DK.   The solar panels will be deployed - like Resurs-DK/Terilen/Neman - on booms extended radially from close to the satellite's base.   Also I belive that Resurs-P/PM will be using orbits which are around 200-400 km lower than the one seen with Persona.

Right. Thanks a lot!  :)

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #24 on: 03/10/2012 09:28 am »
Earlier in this thread Stan Black gave the serial numbers for most of the Kobalt-M satellites (omitting Cosmos 2410).

Does anyone have the serial numbers for the Kobalt satellites, please?
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« Reply #28 on: 06/16/2012 04:43 pm »
The Russian launch schedules on this site by Anik up to the one dated April 17, 2012 were showing the launch of Resurs-PM 1 from Baikonur aboard a Soyuz-2-1B vehicle in 2015.

Starting with the launch schedule dated April 18, 2012 this launch became Resurs-P 3 in 2015, same launch vehicle, same launch site.   This launch last appeared in the schedule dated June 4, 2012 and had disappeared from the schedule dated June 5, 2012.

Of course, launch schedules this far ahead are extremely fluid but can anyone clarify what might have happened to the flight, please?   Was the Resurs-PM 1 designator incorrect or has the satellite simply been redesignated as the third Resurs-P?   Do we have a new (estimated!) launch date for the satellite?
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« Reply #29 on: 06/16/2012 05:24 pm »
The launch of third Resurs-P satellite has been delayed to 2016.

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« Reply #30 on: 06/16/2012 05:30 pm »
The launch of third Resurs-P satellite has been delayed to 2016.

Thank you!   Are you able to clarify Resurs-PM vs Resurs-P, please?
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« Reply #31 on: 06/16/2012 06:22 pm »
Are you able to clarify Resurs-PM vs Resurs-P, please?

I am sorry, but I do not understand question. What to clarify? Differences between two satellites? I do not know. Why has the first Resurs-PM disappeared from plan? I do not see Resurs-PM launch until 2020.
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« Reply #32 on: 06/17/2012 09:54 am »
Are you able to clarify Resurs-PM vs Resurs-P, please?
I am sorry, but I do not understand question. What to clarify? Differences between two satellites? I do not know. Why has the first Resurs-PM disappeared from plan? I do not see Resurs-PM launch until 2020.

Apologies for the confusion!   The 2015 launch was originally Resurs-PM 1 and then it became Resurs-P 3.   So I was wondering whether the PM variant was delayed and an additional P variant was added to the schedule or whether the PM designator was in error and the satellite was always the third Resurs-P.
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« Reply #33 on: 06/17/2012 12:59 pm »
So I was wondering whether the PM variant was delayed and an additional P variant was added to the schedule or whether the PM designator was in error and the satellite was always the third Resurs-P

Resurs-PM1 was delayed (or cancelled) and Resurs-P3 was added.

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« Reply #35 on: 12/12/2012 04:33 pm »
Earlier in this thread Stan Black gave the serial numbers for most of the Kobalt-M satellites (omitting Cosmos 2410).

Does anyone have the serial numbers for the Kobalt satellites, please?

Thanks to Старый

http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum13/topic304/message1016039/#message1016039

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #36 on: 12/12/2012 05:16 pm »
Earlier in this thread Stan Black gave the serial numbers for most of the Kobalt-M satellites (omitting Cosmos 2410).
Does anyone have the serial numbers for the Kobalt satellites, please?
Thanks to Старый
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum13/topic304/message1016039/#message1016039

Thank you Stan!
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #37 on: 01/09/2013 08:16 am »
In 2011 TsSKB-Progress published a pretty detailed book on its various satellites projects called "Kosmicheskoe apparatostroyeniye". This is now available in pdf format on the TsSKB-Progress website :

http://www.samspace.ru/upload/iblock/a82/kosmicheskoe_apparatostroenie.pdf

Unfortunately, there's nothing here on current or future photoreconnaissance satellites, but I thought it would be interesting to mention in this thread anyway.

The most interesting chapters are the first three ones :

1/ history of TsSKB photoreconnaissance satellites (from Zenit-2 to Yantar-4KS1M)
2/ history of TsSKB civilian remote sensing satellites (Zenit-2M/NKh, Resurs-F, Resurs-DK, Resurs-P)
3/ history of TsSKB scientific payloads and satellites (Nauka, Energiya, Efir, Bion, Foton, OKA-T)

The following chapters are more technical and deal with control systems, navigation systems, on-board computers and power supply systems of TsSKB satellites.

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« Reply #38 on: 01/09/2013 08:40 am »
Thank you for this Bart.   It is a much-updated and modified version of the book which came out in the mid-1990s that launched quite a bit of my writing!

I still dream of getting an official listing of the launches which carried the various Nauka modules and sub-satellites (only the Pions have been discussed) - and in fact a complete launch listing with satellite type, serial number, launch time and the descent dates/times of re-entry modules.

Perhaps I am hoping for too much? ;-)
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« Reply #39 on: 01/10/2013 05:45 pm »
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 По словам источника "Известий" в ОПК РФ, "еще два спутника для системы "Лиана" будут запущены на орбиту до конца 2013 года - "Лотос-С" 14Ф145 и "Пион-НКС" 14Ф139. До 2015 года в "Лиану" включат еще один спутник "Пион", таким образом, группировка системы расширится до четырех спутников".

http://www.i-mash.ru/news/nov_otrasl/26184-roskosmos-i-minoborony-zavershajut-sozdanie.html
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« Reply #40 on: 01/10/2013 06:38 pm »
Maybe this question had already been asked, but what is the difference between 14Ф138 and 14Ф145 ?
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« Reply #41 on: 01/10/2013 07:02 pm »
Maybe this question had already been asked, but what is the difference between 14Ф138 and 14Ф145?

Wikipedia informs that 14Ф138 is Лотос-С that has unfull set of payload equipment, 14Ф145 is Лотос-С1 that has full set of payload equipment.
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« Reply #42 on: 01/25/2013 07:20 pm »
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Тепловые трубы 47КС № 3
Тепловые трубы 14Ф148 № 3,4
Тепловые трубы 191КС
Сотопанели 14Ф148 № 3,4
Сотопанели 191КС

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« Reply #43 on: 04/24/2013 09:21 pm »
The next Kobalt-M is №564

Now for these the full length serial number for the rocket and satellite share the same fifth digit, indicating year of release.

Kobalt / Soyuz-U
Kobalt-M №47887560 - Soyuz-U №77057146, but flew on Soyuz-U №78075152
Kobalt-M №52695561 - Soyuz-U №78075152, but flew on Soyuz-U №76029169
Kobalt-M №64969562 - Soyuz-U №76029169, but flew on Soyuz-U №76012222
Kobalt-M №47822563 - Soyuz-U №76012222, but flew on Soyuz-U №78031229

So the rocket for №564 has already flown but with №563?

There is one further Kobalt, so has it’s rocket been given to Egyptsat-2?

This Egyptsat-2 is it 559ГК?
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« Reply #44 on: 04/24/2013 09:30 pm »
The next Kobalt-M is №564

Now for these the full length serial number for the rocket and satellite share the same fifth digit, indicating year of release.

Kobalt / Soyuz-U
Kobalt-M №47887560 - Soyuz-U №77057146, but flew on Soyuz-U №78075152
Kobalt-M №52695561 - Soyuz-U №78075152, but flew on Soyuz-U №76029169
Kobalt-M №64969562 - Soyuz-U №76029169, but flew on Soyuz-U №76012222
Kobalt-M №47822563 - Soyuz-U №76012222, but flew on Soyuz-U №78031229

So the rocket for №564 has already flown but with №563?

There is one further Kobalt, so has it’s rocket been given to Egypsat-2?

This Egypsat-2 is it 559ГК?
I was told last year that last Kobalt-M will not fly on Soyuz-U and was confirmed that is to fly on Soyuz-2 following 16/2 deactivation for modernization to Soyuz-2 configuration. 43/4 can no longer support analog missions.
That is per one of Anatoly Zak's sources.

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« Reply #45 on: 04/28/2013 05:50 am »
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17 марта 2009 года между истцом и ответчиком был заключен договор на выполнение опытно-конструкторской работы № 1382/2953. В соответствии с условиями договора и дополнительных соглашений исполнитель (истец) обязан  выполнить и сдать заказчику (ответчику)  ОКР «Изготовление СЗБ 14С741-0 для изделия 14Ф145 № 802 по ТЗСЧ ОКР «Создание ОМ» для КА «Л-С», «П-НКС».
http://www.обозреть.рф/arbitration/protokol_kartoteka_obsuzhdeniye_slushaniye_poryadok_proizvodstvo_uchastnik

So «Л-С» is Lotos-S1, «П-НКС» is Pion-NKS?
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« Reply #46 on: 04/28/2013 08:47 am »
Resurs-P №1 is to use a 17С13А7 fairing, based on that used before by its predecessors Terilen, Neman and Resurs-DK, as well as Kometa, Ikar and Bion-M.

Resurs-P №2 is to feature the larger ST fairing, the 81КС.

http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=5498251
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« Reply #47 on: 04/28/2013 08:54 am »
Resurs-P №1 is to use a 17С13А7 fairing, based on that used before by its predecessors Terilen, Neman and Resurs-DK, as well as Kometa, Ikar and Bion-M.

Resurs-P №2 is to feature the larger ST fairing, the 81КС.

http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=5498251
http://www.zakupkiold.gov.ru/Tender/ViewPurchase.aspx?PurchaseId=711745


Any insights as to why the difference?   Will there be differently-configured instrumentation on P 2 compared with P 1?
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« Reply #48 on: 05/12/2013 08:37 am »
The next Kobalt-M is №564

Now for these the full length serial number for the rocket and satellite share the same fifth digit, indicating year of release.

Kobalt / Soyuz-U
Kobalt-M №47887560 - Soyuz-U №77057146, but flew on Soyuz-U №78075152
Kobalt-M №52695561 - Soyuz-U №78075152, but flew on Soyuz-U №76029169
Kobalt-M №64969562 - Soyuz-U №76029169, but flew on Soyuz-U №76012222
Kobalt-M №47822563 - Soyuz-U №76012222, but flew on Soyuz-U №78031229

So the rocket for №564 has already flown but with №563?

There is one further Kobalt, so has it’s rocket been given to Egyptsat-2?

This Egyptsat-2 is it 559ГК?
I was told last year that last Kobalt-M will not fly on Soyuz-U and was confirmed that is to fly on Soyuz-2 following 16/2 deactivation for modernisation to Soyuz-2 configuration. 43/4 can no longer support analogue missions.
That is per one of Anatoly Zak's sources.

 What I was trying to say is that Soyuz-U №78031229 was probably ordered for this years Kobalt-M №564. Instead that rocket flew last year with Kobalt-M №563. In turn №563’s rocket was used by №562.
 If a Soyuz-U was ordered for this years Kobalt-M №564, then would not a Soyuz-U also have been ordered for the final Kobalt-M next year? Why was a single Soyuz-U put in storage?

http://www.zakupkiold.gov.ru/Tender/ViewPurchase.aspx?PurchaseId=243660

 Kobalt-M №564 is going up from 43/4 on a Soyuz-2.

http://www.samspace.ru/upload/iblock/003/План%20закупки%20ГНПРКЦ%20ЦСКБ-Прогресс.xlsx
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« Reply #49 on: 05/13/2013 07:45 pm »
Maybe this question had already been asked, but what is the difference between 14Ф138 and 14Ф145?

Wikipedia informs that 14Ф138 is Лотос-С that has unfull set of payload equipment, 14Ф145 is Лотос-С1 that has full set of payload equipment.

 As with 141КС Volga, looks like Resurs-P №2, 14Ф139 №1 and 14Ф145 №2 are to feature БОКЗ-М60 star trackers. So that is one difference between 14Ф138 and 14Ф145.

http://ofo.ikiweb.ru/en/bokz.php
http://www.rosspending.ru/contract/0373100004811000068
http://www.rosspending.ru/contract/0373100004811000069
http://www.rosspending.ru/contract/0373100004811000071
http://www.rosspending.ru/contract/0373100004811000109

Edit: 14Ф145 №2 is not the second but №802; next in sequence after 14Ф138 №801.
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« Reply #50 on: 05/19/2013 09:25 am »
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Доработка бортовой аппаратуры межспутниковой лазерной системы передачи информации (БА МЛСПИ) для изделия 14Ф137 № 3
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/

 It does not help that the file names are all the same; no wonder I kept getting confused which version I was looking at.

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« Reply #52 on: 06/10/2013 07:21 am »
Resurs-P №1 is to use a 17С13А7 fairing, based on that used before by its predecessors Terilen, Neman and Resurs-DK, as well as Kometa, Ikar and Bion-M.

Resurs-P №2 is to feature the larger ST fairing, the 81КС.

http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=5498251
http://www.zakupkiold.gov.ru/Tender/ViewPurchase.aspx?PurchaseId=711745


Any insights as to why the difference?   Will there be differently-configured instrumentation on P 2 compared with P 1?

Because of Коронас-Нуклон?

http://www.vkonline.ru/news/219972/20121121/samarskij-resursp-2-budet-zapushen-sovmestno-s-kosmicheskim-apparatom-koronasnuklon.html
http://www.izvestia.ru/news/539391
http://www.mzarsenal.spb.ru/assets/files/gazeta/2013/06_2013.pdf
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=2943904

That is a possibility. But Resurs-DK1 carried also the rather bulky PAMELA payload and only required the smaller 17С13А fairing.

Another posibility is, that the ST-type fairing is becoming the standard fairing, as hinted by one of my Russian contacts. I could not yet verify, if this is true.

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« Reply #53 on: 06/10/2013 08:14 pm »
Some sites have this as an enlarged Yantar, yet others indicate something completely different?

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« Reply #54 on: 06/22/2013 07:34 am »
Is 14К035 the complete package of Bars-M and rocket?

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Результаты анализа перечня ЭРИ ИП, комплектующих изделие 14К035
БА ДС
БА КИС
«АМКО-5М»
14М234 (ОСД)
"Степь-Б"
«КАРАТ»
СГК
БИУС-М
БУРД
БАРС-М
БКОД
БОКЗ-М60
ВРЛ
БССИ
http://www.spels.ru/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=26&Itemid=34

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Барс-М
состав целевой аппаратуры
ОЭК “Карат”
http://www.cpnt.ru/userfiles/G_M_Polishuk.pdf

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оптико-электронной
http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/245/2454679.html

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10.04.2009 между истцом и ответчиком был заключен договор в редакции дополнительного соглашения от 17.08.2011 № 5, согласно условиям которого истец (исполнитель) обязался выполнить работы по теме: “Разработка и изготовление системы управления ОТМ для ОЭК “Карат” КА14К035 (СУ ОТМ) и сдать работы заказчику (ответчику), а заказчик обязался принять и оплатить работы.
http://docs.pravo.ru/document/view/32619237/
http://docs.pravo.ru/document/view/29237327/

Drop zones
http://www.vdvsn.ru/papers/vs/2008/10/02/71936/

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Оптический солнечный датчик ОСД 14М234
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/
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« Reply #55 on: 07/07/2013 07:07 am »
14К031 Persona
Electro-optical reconnaissance satellite
Product: 14Ф137 № 3
Components: ОЭК 17В321, СУ 14М339М, БВС 14М828, 3× БОКЗ-М60, БА МЛСПИ
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B with 14С738

14К035 Bars-M
Electro-optical area surveillance cartography satellite
Product: 14Ф148?
Components: ОЭК Karat, ОСД 14М234, БОКЗ-М60, 14Р734, 14Р739, БИУС-М 14М243
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B

Pion-NKS (part of Liana)
Naval ELINT
Product: 14Ф139 № 901
Components: КАС 14М102, 2× БОКЗ-М60
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B

14К159 Lotos-S (part of Liana)
ELINT
Product: 14Ф145 № 802
Components: КАС 14М102, 2× БОКЗ-М60
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B with 14С741

Kobalt-M
Film-return photographic reconnaissance satellite
Product: 11Ф695 № 564
Components: БВС 14М828, 2× БОКЗ
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2 with 11С529-ПВБ

Kobalt-M
Film-return photographic reconnaissance satellite
Product: 11Ф695
Launch vehicle Soyuz-2 with 11С529-ПВБ

БА - бортовой аппаратуры
БВС - бортовая вычислительная система
БИУС - блок измерителей угловой скорости
КАС - комплекс автоматики и стабилизации
КИС - командно-измерительной системы
МЛСПИ - межспутниковые лазерные системы передачи информации
ОСД - оптический солнечный датчик
ОЭК - оптико-электронный комплекс
СУ - системы управления


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« Reply #56 on: 07/07/2013 07:25 pm »
14К031 Persona
Electro-optical reconnaissance satellite
Product: 14Ф137 № 3
Components: ОЭК 17В321, СУ 14М339М, БВС 14М828, 3x БОКЗ-М60, БА МЛСПИ
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B with 14С738

<snip>

МЛСПИ - межспутниковой лазерной системы передачи информации

[translation: Intersatellite laser information transmission system]


Oh! That looks interesting. Any indication what the satellite on the other end of the laser link might be?
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« Reply #57 on: 07/20/2013 01:26 pm »
14К031 Persona
Electro-optical reconnaissance satellite
Product: 14Ф137 № 3
Components: ОЭК 17В321, СУ 14М339М, БВС 14М828, 3x БОКЗ-М60, БА МЛСПИ
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B with 14С738

<snip>

МЛСПИ - межспутниковой лазерной системы передачи информации

[translation: Intersatellite laser information transmission system]


Oh! That looks interesting. Any indication what the satellite on the other end of the laser link might be?


I would expect Garpun to be one possibility; also Luch-5B.

http://www.gazprom-spacesystems.ru/ru/news/publications/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=2142



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В рамках ОКР «Ягуар» и «ЛТ-150» создается лазерный канал передачи высокоскоростной информации с низкоорбитального КА ДЗЗ на геостационарный ретранслятор.
В 2014 планируется начало летных испытаний этой системы. В случае успешного проведения ЛКИ эта технология будет развиваться дальше в интересах других потребителей.
http://www.disclosure.skrin.ru/disclosure/7722698108

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http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic13296/message1100233/#message1100233

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Результаты диссертации внедрены в ОАО «ЭНПО СПЭЛС» при радиационных испытаниях отечественных и зарубежных КМОП БИС, комплектующих бортовую аппаратуру, на стойкость к факторам космического пространства  в аппаратуре изделий 14Ф137, 14Ф142, 14Ф148,14В120, ЛТ150, ЛУЧ-5А и других.
http://vak2.ed.gov.ru/idcUploadAutoref/renderFile/59978

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« Reply #58 on: 09/05/2013 04:30 pm »
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17 марта 2009 года между истцом и ответчиком был заключен договор на выполнение опытно-конструкторской работы № 1382/2953. В соответствии с условиями договора и дополнительных соглашений исполнитель (истец) обязан  выполнить и сдать заказчику (ответчику)  ОКР «Изготовление СЗБ 14С741-0 для изделия 14Ф145 № 802 по ТЗСЧ ОКР «Создание ОМ» для КА «Л-С», «П-НКС».
http://www.обозреть.рф/arbitration/protokol_kartoteka_obsuzhdeniye_slushaniye_poryadok_proizvodstvo_uchastnik

So «Л-С» is Lotos-S1, «П-НКС» is Pion-NKS?

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Доработка бортовой аппаратуры межспутниковой лазерной системы передачи информации (БА МЛСПИ) для изделия 14Ф137 № 3
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/

 It does not help that the file names are all the same; no wonder I kept getting confused which version I was looking at.

Further details on Lotos-S and Pion-NKS.

The fairing (СЗБ) 14С741 looks to be based on the 4,11 metres type, because the transfer compartment (ПхО) which supports the fairing and payload on top of the third stage is 14С738, previously used by Persona.

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Выдача заключения по статической прочности ОМ изделий 14Ф145, 14Ф139 ПхО 14С738 в составе СЗБ 14С741
График осуществления процедур закупки 3 кв.2013г. 4 кв. 2013г.
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« Reply #59 on: 09/05/2013 04:39 pm »
Since the primary language is English on this web site, could we please have translations of the short pieces which are being quoted? - whether here, on the Chinese threat or Iranian threat.

In advance of this suggestion/request being taken up, thank you!
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« Reply #60 on: 09/05/2013 05:09 pm »
Since the primary language is English on this web site, could we please have translations of the short pieces which are being quoted? - whether here, on the Chinese threat or Iranian threat.

In advance of this suggestion/request being taken up, thank you!

Problem is that I am not good at language, and those short fragments translate quite reasonably using Google
http://translate.google.co.uk

ОМ is the orbital module, manufactured by TsSKB-Progress based on Yantar type then passed across to KB Arsenal for completion of the satellite.
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« Reply #61 on: 09/05/2013 06:24 pm »
ОМ is the orbital module, manufactured by TsSKB-Progress based on Yantar type then passed across to KB Arsenal for completion of the satellite.

Is this the pressurized Yantar OM? And which future satellite would use this OM? And what does Arsenal actually do with the OM?

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« Reply #62 on: 09/05/2013 07:39 pm »
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17 марта 2009 года между истцом и ответчиком был заключен договор на выполнение опытно-конструкторской работы № 1382/2953. В соответствии с условиями договора и дополнительных соглашений исполнитель (истец) обязан  выполнить и сдать заказчику (ответчику)  ОКР «Изготовление СЗБ 14С741-0 для изделия 14Ф145 № 802 по ТЗСЧ ОКР «Создание ОМ» для КА «Л-С», «П-НКС».
http://www.обозреть.рф/arbitration/protokol_kartoteka_obsuzhdeniye_slushaniye_poryadok_proizvodstvo_uchastnik

So «Л-С» is Lotos-S1, «П-НКС» is Pion-NKS?

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Доработка бортовой аппаратуры межспутниковой лазерной системы передачи информации (БА МЛСПИ) для изделия 14Ф137 № 3
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/

 It does not help that the file names are all the same; no wonder I kept getting confused which version I was looking at.

Further details on Lotos-S and Pion-NKS.

The fairing (СЗБ) 14С741 looks to be based on the 4,11 metres type, because the transfer compartment (ПхО) which supports the fairing and payload on top of the third stage is 14С738, previously used by Persona.

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Выдача заключения по статической прочности ОМ изделий 14Ф145, 14Ф139 ПхО 14С738 в составе СЗБ 14С741
График осуществления процедур закупки 3 кв.2013г. 4 кв. 2013г.


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On 17th March 2009 between the plaintiff and the defendant, there was awarded a contract for development work number 1382/2953. In accordance with the terms of the contract and other agreements, the manufacturer (plaintiff) must produce and deliver to the customer (defendant):-
research & development (ОКР) «manufacture fairing (СЗБ) type 14С741-0 for product 14Ф145 № 802 under component terms of reference (СЧТЗ)»;
research & development (ОКР) «production of orbital module (ОМ)»;
for spacecraft «Lotos-S» and «Pion-NKS».

Satellite Pion-NKS is referred to by code 14Ф139.
Satellite Lotos-S is referred to by code 14Ф145.

СЧ - составные части
ТЗ - техническое задание
ОКР - опытно-конструкторская работа - research & development.
СЗБ - сборочно-защитный блок - aerodynamic fairing, consists of payload fairing (ГО) and interstage adapter (ПхО).

Issuing a report on static strength of orbital module (ОМ) of products 14Ф145 and 14Ф139, the transfer compartment 14С738, in the composition of aerodynamic fairing (СЗБ) type 14С741.
Schedule of purchases 3rd quarter 2013 to fourth quarter 2013.
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« Reply #63 on: 10/04/2013 09:46 pm »
Kobalt 11Ф695 № 564 on Soyuz-2-1A

Fourth generation of Kobalt 11Ф695?

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Дооборудование стартового комплекса 17П32-С4 для обеспечения подготовки и пуска изделия 11Ф695 (4 этап модернизации) ракетой-носителем 14А14 этапа 1а
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« Reply #64 on: 11/07/2013 03:45 pm »
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Выдача заключения по статической прочности изделия 14Ф148 и о допуске изделия № 1Л к ЛИ
Проведение дублирующих баллистических расчетов РН 14А14 этапа 1а с изделием 14Ф148
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« Reply #65 on: 11/07/2013 04:43 pm »
From the same site is a list of contracts for 2013, including contracts for subsystems of various spacecraft.
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« Reply #66 on: 12/13/2013 07:59 am »
14К031 Persona
Electro-optical reconnaissance satellite
Product: 14Ф137 № 3
Components: ОЭК 17В321, СУ 14М339М, БВС 14М828, 3× БОКЗ-М60, БА МЛСПИ
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B with 14С738 fairing
Launch site: Plesetsk

14К035 Bars-M
Electro-optical area surveillance cartography satellite
Product: 14Ф148 № 1
Components: ОЭК «Карат», ОСД 14М234, БОКЗ-М60, 14Р734, 14Р739, БИУС-М 14М243
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1A
Launch site: Plesetsk

14К035 Bars-M
Product: 14Ф148 № 2

14К035 Bars-M
Product: 14Ф148 № 3

14К035 Bars-M
Product: 14Ф148 № 4

 - No direct confirmation 14Ф148 is Bars-M

14К159 Lotos-S (part of Liana)
ELINT
Product: 14Ф145 № 802
Components: КАС 14М102, 2× БОКЗ-М60
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B with 14С741 fairing
Launch site: Plesetsk

14К160 Pion-NKS (part of Liana)
Naval ELINT
Product: 14Ф139 № 901
Components: КАС 14М102, 2× БОКЗ-М60
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B with 14С741 fairing
Launch site: Plesetsk

Kobalt-M
Film-return photographic reconnaissance satellite
Product: 11Ф695 № 564
Components: БВС 14М828, 2× БОКЗ
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1A with 11С529-ПВБ fairing
Launch site: Plesetsk

Kobalt-M
Film-return photographic reconnaissance satellite
Product: 11Ф695
Launch vehicle Soyuz-2-1A with 11С529-ПВБ fairing
Launch site: Plesetsk

БА - бортовой аппаратуры
onboard equipment
БВС - бортовая вычислительная система
on-board computer system
БИУС - блок измерителей угловой скорости
angular velocity gauge
КАС - комплекс автоматики и стабилизации
complex automation and stabilisation
КИС - командно-измерительной системы
command-measuring system
МЛСПИ - межспутниковые лазерные системы передачи информации
satellite to satellite LASER communication system
ОСД - оптический солнечный датчик
optical Sun sensor
ОЭК - оптико-электронный комплекс
optical-electronic complex
СУ - системы управления
control systems


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« Reply #67 on: 01/09/2014 09:36 pm »
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Участие в натурных испытаниях изделия 14Ф137 № 3
Срок исполнения договора (квартал, год) 2 кв. 2014г.
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Participation in full-scale tests of products 14Ф137 № 3
Term of a contract (quarter, year) 2nd quarter 2014.
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« Reply #68 on: 01/09/2014 09:39 pm »
14К160 Pion-NKS (part of Liana)
Naval ELINT
Product: 14Ф139 № 901
Components: КАС 14М102, 2× БОКЗ-М60, 4× СГК 14М527
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B with 14С741 fairing
Launch site: Plesetsk

СГК - силовой гироскопический комплекс
control moment gyroscope

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« Reply #69 on: 01/17/2014 05:11 am »
Just wondering if there are any recent indications - no matter how tenuous! - of the launch schedule for the last two Yantar-4K2M/Kobalt-M satellites, the Bars-M satellites and a third Persona, please.   One of the Yantar-4K2M satellites, the first Bars-M and the third Persona have been rumoured for launch this year.

Many thanks.
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« Reply #71 on: 02/04/2014 06:54 pm »
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Изготовление, поставка и ввод в эксплуатацию наземной аппаратуры системы сбора служебной информации (НССИ) на объектах 1622 и 1632 для изд. 14Ф148 с № 1
Доработка, изготовление, монтаж и ввод в эксплуатацию наземной аппаратуры непосредственного приема (НА-НП) ВРЛ "Быстрина-М" для КС 14К035 в варианте исполнения для объектов 1622, 1632

Изготовление светофильтров для изд. 14Ф148 № 3-6
Поставка ФПЗС "Круиз-6", ФЧМ "Круиз-ЦБ" для изд. 14Ф148 № 3-6
Поставка ДСЕ ВОЛП для изд. 14Ф148 № 3-6
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« Reply #72 on: 02/20/2014 04:09 pm »
Is this connected to Kobalt?

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Ликвидация аппаратуры приборного отсека спускаемого аппарата серии «Космос», содержащей радиоактивные элементы  –  всего 3 штуки, из них: 2012 год -1 штука,
2013 год -1 штука, 2014 год -1 штука
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« Reply #73 on: 02/20/2014 05:08 pm »
Is this connected to Kobalt?
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Ликвидация аппаратуры приборного отсека спускаемого аппарата серии «Космос», содержащей радиоактивные элементы  –  всего 3 штуки, из них: 2012 год -1 штука,
2013 год -1 штука, 2014 год -1 штука
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=2876704

I have tried using Google Translate on this quote.   If it is referring to a Yantar satellite flown in 2013 then there must be an error unless either Persona-1 or Resurs-P is being classed as a Yantar mission (they do carry the Yantar "bus").   The last close-look Yantar was in 2012 and there are supposed to be two satellites awaiting launch before the film-return programme is closed down.

Maybe this means that the last two flight are now cancelled?
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« Reply #74 on: 02/20/2014 05:28 pm »
Is this connected to Kobalt?
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Ликвидация аппаратуры приборного отсека спускаемого аппарата серии «Космос», содержащей радиоактивные элементы  –  всего 3 штуки, из них: 2012 год -1 штука,
2013 год -1 штука, 2014 год -1 штука
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=2876704

I have tried using Google Translate on this quote.   If it is referring to a Yantar satellite flown in 2013 then there must be an error unless either Persona-1 or Resurs-P is being classed as a Yantar mission (they do carry the Yantar "bus").   The last close-look Yantar was in 2012 and there are supposed to be two satellites awaiting launch before the film-return programme is closed down.

Maybe this means that the last two flight are now cancelled?

They use a radioactive source like Soyuz-TMA for final touchdown, firing the solid engines under parachute? Disposal is after return to Earth. The plan was for one per year, last years had not flown yet?

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« Reply #75 on: 02/28/2014 02:55 pm »
Kobalt?

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В мае с Плесецка планируются два пуска: ракеты "Союз-2-1А"…
http://rus.ruvr.ru/news/2014_02_27/Utochnen-plan-rossijskih-kosmicheskih-zapuskov-na-vesnu-2014-goda-1532/
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« Reply #76 on: 02/28/2014 02:58 pm »
Kobalt?

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В мае с Плесецка планируются два пуска: ракеты "Союз-2-1А"…
http://rus.ruvr.ru/news/2014_02_27/Utochnen-plan-rossijskih-kosmicheskih-zapuskov-na-vesnu-2014-goda-1532/

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« Reply #77 on: 03/01/2014 11:33 am »
14К157 Kobalt-M (4th generation)
Film-return photographic reconnaissance satellite
Product: 11Ф695М № 564
Components: БВС 14М828, 2× БОКЗ, 17В311М
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1A with 14С74 fairing
Launch site: Plesetsk 17П32-С4
Mass: 7,600 kilogrammes
Lifespan: up to 180 days


Lots more details here:-
http://docs.cntd.ru/document/901941098
http://docs.cntd.ru/document/901941099

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« Reply #78 on: 03/01/2014 06:10 pm »
14К157 Kobalt-M (4th generation)
Film-return photographic reconnaissance satellite
Product: 11Ф695М № 564
Components: БВС 14М828, 2× БОКЗ, 17В311М
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1A with 14С74 fairing
Launch site: Plesetsk 17П32-С4
Mass: 7,600 kilogrammes
Lifespan: up to 180 days

Lots more details here:-
http://docs.cntd.ru/document/901941098
http://docs.cntd.ru/document/901941099



That mass of 7,600 kg is very high.   From Feniks to Kobalt the masses were about 6,600 kg and I would not expect an increase of a tonne for Kobalt-M.
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« Reply #79 on: 03/01/2014 06:22 pm »
The mass of 7,600 is consistent with the move to Soyuz 2-1a, in the sense that the larger LV would not be used if the extra capability of the LV were not required.

I would imagine that some sort of subsatellite or extra instrument has been incorporated into the payload.

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« Reply #80 on: 03/01/2014 06:27 pm »
The mass of 7,600 is consistent with the move to Soyuz 2-1a, in the sense that the larger LV would not be used if the extra capability of the LV were not required.

I would imagine that some sort of subsatellite or extra instrument has been incorporated into the payload.

After my last posting I noted that the Russian documentation gave the 7,600 kg mass.   Why have such a major change in the satellite for just the last two launches?   Of course, the increase is possible but i would have thought that 6,700 kg might have been more realistic.   7,600 kg suggests some major design change.
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« Reply #81 on: 03/01/2014 06:51 pm »
The mass of 7,600 is consistent with the move to Soyuz 2-1a, in the sense that the larger LV would not be used if the extra capability of the LV were not required.

I would imagine that some sort of subsatellite or extra instrument has been incorporated into the payload.

After my last posting I noted that the Russian documentation gave the 7,600 kg mass.   Why have such a major change in the satellite for just the last two launches?   Of course, the increase is possible but i would have thought that 6,700 kg might have been more realistic.   7,600 kg suggests some major design change.

The document is from 2004. It is about introduction of the 11Ф695М and its enviromental impact. There is a piece of the puzzle missing, because it sounds like that the 11Ф695М was expected to fly on Soyuz-2-1B; not the 1A. However from the serial numbers it looks like Soyuz-U were ordered for all the Kobalt-M.

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« Reply #82 on: 03/01/2014 09:26 pm »
Stan - that is what I found to be puzzling.   I had thought that the Kobalt-M series was intended to use the Soyuz-U variant - for which the ~6,600 kg mass would make sense: then it was switched to the Soyuz-2-1A for the later flights due to the unavailability of the Soyuz-U outside Progress launches.

Assuming that the next Kobalt-M is indeed heavier at 7,600 kg it will be interesting to see if it is lofted to an 81.4 deg orbit and whether it differs significantly in it's in-orbit behaviour.   No other Kobalt or close-look Yantar has carried a sub-satellite, so maybe the extra payload mass will be such a payload.

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« Reply #83 on: 03/02/2014 08:15 am »
Other possibility a simple typo 6,700?

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« Reply #84 on: 03/02/2014 11:03 am »
The mass of 7,600 is consistent with the move to Soyuz 2-1a, in the sense that the larger LV would not be used if the extra capability of the LV were not required.

I would imagine that some sort of subsatellite or extra instrument has been incorporated into the payload.
Or maybe just extra propellant for a longer mission?

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« Reply #85 on: 03/02/2014 11:14 am »
The mass of 7,600 is consistent with the move to Soyuz 2-1a, in the sense that the larger LV would not be used if the extra capability of the LV were not required.
I would imagine that some sort of subsatellite or extra instrument has been incorporated into the payload.
Or maybe just extra propellant for a longer mission?

The expanded propellant tanks for an extra tonne of propellant would require a major re-design.   Bear in mind that there are only two of these birds left to fly, so major design changes should not be expected.
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« Reply #86 on: 03/02/2014 12:37 pm »
The mass of 7,600 is consistent with the move to Soyuz 2-1a, in the sense that the larger LV would not be used if the extra capability of the LV were not required.
I would imagine that some sort of subsatellite or extra instrument has been incorporated into the payload.
Or maybe just extra propellant for a longer mission?

The expanded propellant tanks for an extra tonne of propellant would require a major re-design.   Bear in mind that there are only two of these birds left to fly, so major design changes should not be expected.

Total propllent load is 300 to 900 kg; but I think I have found another discrepency in the document re quantity of UDMH/НДМГ: 218 or 318 kg?

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« Reply #87 on: 03/02/2014 02:10 pm »
That sounds as if they could just add quite a bit of propellant to the existing tanks.

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« Reply #88 on: 03/03/2014 08:07 am »
Finally found evidence for another Kobalt

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Блок оптический "Астрар-1" НРДК.202361.001 для комплектования опытного образца прибор БОКЗ-М для летной эксплуатации в составе изделия 11Ф695 № 565 (3321020): 2,00 ШТ;
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/contracts/info/common_info/show?contractInfoId=9605335

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« Reply #89 on: 04/23/2014 10:54 am »
Centre for Operation of Land-Based Space Infrastructure (TsENKI)
Центр эксплуатации объектов наземной космической инфраструктуры (ЦЭНКИ)

Preparation and launch of satellites
подготовка к запуску КА 14Ф112, 14Ф145, 14Ф148, 14Ф139, 14Ф137, 11Ф695, Канопус-СТ

Contractual period: April to November 2014

Предмет договораContract itemMeridian
14Ф112
Lotos‑S
14Ф145
Bars‑M
14Ф148
Pion‑NKS
14Ф139
Persona
14Ф137
Kobalt‑M
11Ф695
Канопус‑СТContract price in Russian ruble
Сервисное обслуживание 11Г346, 14И742 из состава СК 17П32‑С4Servicing and maintenance of 11G346, 14I742 at launch site 17P32‑S4 15,000,000
Сервисное обслуживание «Пирамида‑А», гидропривода СМ‑575 из состава СК 17П32‑С4Servicing and maintenance of “Pyramid‑A”, hydraulic unit SM‑575 at launch site 17P32‑S4 04,500,000
Сервисное обслуживание 8У0215, 8Г0124 из состава СК 17П32‑С4Servicing and maintenance of 8U0215, 8G0124 at launch site 17P32‑S4 01,000,000
Сервисное обслуживание 8У0216М из состава СК 17П32‑С4Servicing and maintenance of 8U0216M at launch site 17P32‑S4 01,000,000
Сервисное обслуживание 11У219, гидропривода 11Т11 и СМ‑575 из состава СК 17П32‑С4Servicing and maintenance of 11U219, hydraulic unit of 11T11 and SM‑575 at launch site 17P32‑S4 02,000,000
Сервисное обслуживание 11Г353, 11Г355, 8Г0124П, 8Г0126, 8Г0124М3, 8Г0125, 8Г0126П, 14Г234 из состава СК 17П32‑С4Servicing and maintenance of 11G353, 11G355, 8G0124P, 8G0126, 8G0124M3, 8G0125, 8G0126P, 14G234 at launch site 17P32‑S4 01,000,000
Сервисное обслуживание СИУ Д‑50М системы 8У0215 из состава СК 17П32‑С4Servicing and maintenance of SNU D‑50M system of 8U0215 at launch site 17P32‑S4 01,000,000
Сервисное обслуживание 8Т344К, 8Т342П, 8Т341, 8Т343, 8Т349, 8Г0126П из состава СК 17П32‑С4; 11Г41 из состава ЗС 11Г143Servicing and maintenance of 8T344K, 8T342P, 8T341, 8T343, 8T349, 8G0126P at launch site 17P32‑S4; 11G41 at facility ЗS 11G14304,900,000
Сервисное обслуживание 14Г637 из состава СК 17П32‑С4Servicing and maintenance of 14G637 at launch site 17P32‑S4 03,350,000
Обследование и оценка технического состояния комплексов с использованием методов и средств неразрушающего контроля; ТД и ЭО 11Г310, 11У211, 11Т123, 11Т116; переаттестация фундамента лаборатории автономных испытаний ККПExamination and evaluation, using non‑destructive methods, of the complexes: TD and EO 11G310, 11U211, 11T123, 11T116; revalidation using independent laboratory tests15,700,000
Сервисное обслуживание ПТИ‑10 из состава ТК 11П565‑1; НППЭО, СДУ, НТО из состава СК 11П865‑1; 14Х925 из состава СК 17П32‑С4; систем 14Б766, 14Б76, 80А6‑3, 17Н723.3, 14Б765, БУК‑3, 17Н723.4Servicing and maintenance of PTI‑10 at technical complex 11P565‑1; NPPEO, SDU, NTO at launch site 11P865‑1; 14Kh925 at launch site 17P32‑S4; system 14B766, 14B76, 80A6‑3, 17N723.3, 14Б765, BUK‑3, 17N723.460,000,000
        04,900,000
Сервисное обслуживание СНЭСТ к.о. 6737, 17Э017 из состава СК 17П32‑С4Servicing and maintenance of SNEST k.o. 6737, 17Э017 at launch site 17P32‑S401,000,000
Сервисное обслуживание НИУКСИ, АКОТ «Лагуна» из состава СК 17П32‑С4; систем 14Б86, 14Ц630, 14Ц798, 14Ц797Servicing and maintenance of land based information management systems for measurement (NIUKSI), automated processing of telemetry (AKOT) “Lagoon” at launch site 17P32‑S4; systems 14B86, 14Ts630, 14Ts798, 14Ts797 04,900,000
Сервисное обслуживание КМТО 16НК1, 16НК5, 16НК31 из состава ТК 14П73 и ТК 16НКServicing and maintenance of KMTO 16NK1, 16NK5, 16NK31 at technical complexes 14P73 and 16IK      00,500,000
Сервисное обслуживание КПВО 16НК2 из состава ТК 14П73Servicing and maintenance of KPVO 16NK2 at technical complex 14P73     01,000,000
Сервисное обслуживание 14Г944, 14Г945 из состава ЗС 11Г143; 14Б029, 14Б030, 11Т11 из состава СК 17П32‑С4; СТС ИЯУЛ464420,019 из состава ТК 11П565‑1; СРС и ГСО 14Б034 из состава УТК 14П83; 15Э1386,06, СКС «Кристалл», СОС «Топаз», СОДС, АМУ, СМ‑575, 8У0215, 8У0216М, 11У219, 11Т11Б, 8Т349, 8Т342П, 11Г353, 14И742Servicing and maintenance of 14G944, 14G945 at facility ЗS 11G143; 14B029, 14B030, 11T11 at launch site 17P32‑C4; STS IYaUL464420,019 at the techincal compex 11P565‑1; SRS and GSO 14B034 at the universal techincal compex 14P83; 15E1386, 06, SKS “Crystal”, SOS “Topaz”, SODS, AMU, SM‑575, 8U0215, 8U0216M, 11U219, 11T11B, 8T349, 8T342P, 11G353, 14I74294,000,000
Сервисное обслуживание 11Т11, 8У0216М из состава СК 17П32‑С4Servicing and maintenance of 11T11, 8U0216M at the launch site 17P32‑S4 02,000,000
Сервисное обслуживание 8Г029, 8Г0129К, 8Г0119, 11У219 из состава СК 17П32‑С4; 11Г352, 11Т381, 17Т11, 17Т725 из состава УТК 14П440Servicing and maintenance of 8G029, 8G0129K, 8G0119, 11U219 from the UK 17P32‑C4; 11G352, 11T381, 17T11, 17T725 from the UGC 14P440 60,000,000
Сервисное обслуживание УАПК ТМИ системы 14Ц325 из состава СК 17П32‑С4; бортовой аппаратуры СУ из состава УТК 14П83; МРТК из состава УТК 14П440; АПК 14Ц325Servicing and maintenance of UAPK TMI system 14Ts325 at the launch site 17P32‑C4; on-board equipment SU and the universal technical complex 14P83; MRTK at the universal technical complex 14P440; APK 14Ts32504,900,000
Сервисное обслуживание НКС, СКТД, ПВИ, КМТО из состава УТК 14П510; КПО ЭИ и СКТД, СЭП, КМТО 14Н121 из состава СК 17П32‑С4Servicing and maintenance of NKS, SKTD, PVI, KMTO at the universal technical complex 14P510; KPO EI and SKTD, SET, KMTO 14N121 at launch site 17P32‑S4      19,490,000
  03,500,000
  01,000,000

http://www.tsenki.com/partners_customers/purchases/guidelines/
http://www.tsenki.com/upload/iblock/660/План%20закупок%20ЦЭНКИ%20на%202014%20год%20версия%207.xlsx
http://tsskb-progress.ru/novosti/osobye-zadachi-filiala-okb-spektr.html
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=32901.0
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #90 on: 04/25/2014 02:37 pm »
Just noticed this:-
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Проведение работ по обеспечению заправки СВИТ изделия 14Ф148
http://www.tsenki.com/partners_customers/purchases/guidelines/
http://www.tsenki.com/upload/iblock/660/План%20закупок%20ЦЭНКИ%20на%202014%20год%20версия%207.xlsx

СВИТ is one section of Bars-M.
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/order_document_list_info/show?notificationId=1380404

I think that confirms Bars-M is 14Ф148.

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #91 on: 04/25/2014 04:52 pm »
At the moment we seem to have two Kobalt-M satellites scheduled for launch (one next month, the last next year perhaps: one Persona-1/Kvarts satellite scheduled for launch later this year, although this could slip to next year: and then the Bars-M series of satellites.

I cannot recall any other series being rumoured for introduction to the photoreconnaissance satellite programme, although there are some mentions of a Persona-2 (which might be cancelled?).   Can anyone else add any other photoreconnaissance programmes to this list please?
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #92 on: 05/03/2014 07:32 am »
Is this connected to Kobalt?
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Ликвидация аппаратуры приборного отсека спускаемого аппарата серии «Космос», содержащей радиоактивные элементы  –  всего 3 штуки, из них: 2012 год -1 штука,
2013 год -1 штука, 2014 год -1 штука
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=2876704

I have tried using Google Translate on this quote.   If it is referring to a Yantar satellite flown in 2013 then there must be an error unless either Persona-1 or Resurs-P is being classed as a Yantar mission (they do carry the Yantar "bus").   The last close-look Yantar was in 2012 and there are supposed to be two satellites awaiting launch before the film-return programme is closed down.

Maybe this means that the last two flight are now cancelled?

They use a radioactive source like Soyuz-TMA for final touchdown, firing the solid engines under parachute? Disposal is after return to Earth. The plan was for one per year, last years had not flown yet?

ЗАО «ЭКОМЕТ-С» received this contract
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/contracts/info/common_info/show?contractInfoId=8971768
 
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #93 on: 05/04/2014 07:54 am »
The mass of 7,600 is consistent with the move to Soyuz 2-1a, in the sense that the larger LV would not be used if the extra capability of the LV were not required.
I would imagine that some sort of subsatellite or extra instrument has been incorporated into the payload.
Or maybe just extra propellant for a longer mission?

The expanded propellant tanks for an extra tonne of propellant would require a major re-design.   Bear in mind that there are only two of these birds left to fly, so major design changes should not be expected.

Total propllent load is 300 to 900 kg; but I think I have found another discrepency in the document re quantity of UDMH/НДМГ: 218 or 318 kg?

The next Kobalt, 11Ф695 № 564, features the standard propulsion system of 17Д52; so no increase in propellant.
http://13aas.arbitr.ru/cases/cdoc?docnd=838622810
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19386.0

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #94 on: 05/04/2014 09:32 am »
14К031 Persona
Electro-optical reconnaissance satellite
Product: 14Ф137 № 3
Components: ОЭК 17В321, СУ 14М339М, БВС 14М828, 3× БОКЗ-М60, БА МЛСПИ
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B with 14С738 fairing
Launch site: Plesetsk 17П32-С4

14К035 Bars-M
Electro-optical area surveillance cartography satellite
Product: 14Ф148 № 1
Components: ОЭК «Карат», ОСД 14М234, БОКЗ-М60, 14Р734, 14Р739, БИУС-М 14М243
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1A
Launch site: Plesetsk 17П32-С4

14К035 Bars-M
Product: 14Ф148 № 2

14К035 Bars-M
Product: 14Ф148 № 3

14К035 Bars-M
Product: 14Ф148 № 4

14К035 Bars-M
Product: 14Ф148 № 5

14К035 Bars-M
Product: 14Ф148 № 6


14К157 Kobalt-M (4th generation)
Film-return photographic reconnaissance satellite
Product: 11Ф695М № 564
Components: БВС 14М828, 2× БОКЗ, 17В311М
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1A with 11С529-ПВБ fairing
Launch site: Plesetsk 17П32-С4
Mass: 6,700 kilogrammes
Lifespan: up to 180 days

14К157 Kobalt-M (4th generation)
Film-return photographic reconnaissance satellite
Product: 11Ф695М № 565
Components: БВС 14М828, 2× БОКЗ, 17В311М
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1A with 11С529-ПВБ fairing
Launch site: Plesetsk
Mass: 6,700 kilogrammes
Lifespan: up to 180 days

14К159 Lotos-S (part of Liana)
ELINT
Product: 14Ф145 № 802
Components: КАС 14М102, 2× БОКЗ-М60
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B with 14С741 fairing
Launch site: Plesetsk 17П32-С4

14К160 Pion-NKS (part of Liana)
Naval ELINT
Product: 14Ф139 № 901
Components: БВС 14М828, КАС 14М102, 2× БОКЗ-М60, 4× СГК 14М527
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B with 14С741 fairing
Launch site: Plesetsk 17П32-С4

БА - бортовой аппаратуры
onboard equipment
БВС - бортовая вычислительная система
on-board computer system
БИУС - блок измерителей угловой скорости
angular velocity gauge
КАС - комплекс автоматики и стабилизации
complex automation and stabilisation
КИС - командно-измерительной системы
command-measuring system
МЛСПИ - межспутниковые лазерные системы передачи информации
satellite to satellite LASER communication system
ОСД - оптический солнечный датчик
optical Sun sensor
ОЭК - оптико-электронный комплекс
optical-electronic complex
СГК - силовой гироскопический комплекс
control moment gyroscope
СУ - системы управления
control systems


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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #95 on: 05/19/2014 04:46 pm »
Somebody help with a translation?

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Доработка СПО АКПУ-П за изделие 14Ф137 № 3 в части введения нового экспериментального режима связи с новыми объектами типа звезда или планета
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #96 on: 06/04/2014 05:47 pm »
Kobalt 11Ф695 № 564 on Soyuz-2-1A

Fourth generation of Kobalt 11Ф695?

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Дооборудование стартового комплекса 17П32-С4 для обеспечения подготовки и пуска изделия 11Ф695 (4 этап модернизации) ракетой-носителем 14А14 этапа 1а
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/


This months also makes reference to the latest Kobalt being 4th stage or generation

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Проведение оценки эргономических характеристик комплекса 14К157 IV этапа модернизации

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #97 on: 06/22/2014 09:18 am »
Resurs-P №1 is to use a 17С13А7 fairing, based on that used before by its predecessors Terilen, Neman and Resurs-DK, as well as Kometa, Ikar and Bion-M.

Resurs-P №2 is to feature the larger ST fairing, the 81КС.

http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=5498251
http://www.zakupkiold.gov.ru/Tender/ViewPurchase.aspx?PurchaseId=711745


Any insights as to why the difference?   Will there be differently-configured instrumentation on P 2 compared with P 1?

Because of Коронас-Нуклон?

http://www.vkonline.ru/news/219972/20121121/samarskij-resursp-2-budet-zapushen-sovmestno-s-kosmicheskim-apparatom-koronasnuklon.html
http://www.izvestia.ru/news/539391
http://www.mzarsenal.spb.ru/assets/files/gazeta/2013/06_2013.pdf
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=2943904

That is a possibility. But Resurs-DK1 carried also the rather bulky PAMELA payload and only required the smaller 17С13А fairing.

Another posibility is, that the ST-type fairing is becoming the standard fairing, as hinted by one of my Russian contacts. I could not yet verify, if this is true.

Having re-read that old document, I think you are correct in that the ST-type will become standard, but for Soyuz-2-1B only.

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Сборочно-защитный блок (СЗБ) предназначен для обеспечения защиты КА от воздействия внешней атмосферы и тепловых потоков и для сопряжения КА с РН. В состав СЗБ входят головной обтекатель (ГО) и переходной отсек (ПхО). Для запусков КА с помощью РН «Союз-2» в составе СЗБ планируется использование штатного ГО 11С529, массой 1050 кг и штатного ПхО массой 220 кг. Вместе с тем, в случае выведения КА с помощью РН «Союз-2» (этапа разработки «1б») в составе СЗБ может использоваться унифицированный ГО 14С74 массой 2100 кг и ПхО массой 350 кг.
http://docs.cntd.ru/document/901941099

So Bars-M will use the smaller fairing?

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #98 on: 06/22/2014 03:22 pm »
Resurs-P №1 is to use a 17С13А7 fairing, based on that used before by its predecessors Terilen, Neman and Resurs-DK, as well as Kometa, Ikar and Bion-M.

Resurs-P №2 is to feature the larger ST fairing, the 81КС.

http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=5498251
http://www.zakupkiold.gov.ru/Tender/ViewPurchase.aspx?PurchaseId=711745


Any insights as to why the difference?   Will there be differently-configured instrumentation on P 2 compared with P 1?

Because of Коронас-Нуклон?

http://www.vkonline.ru/news/219972/20121121/samarskij-resursp-2-budet-zapushen-sovmestno-s-kosmicheskim-apparatom-koronasnuklon.html
http://www.izvestia.ru/news/539391
http://www.mzarsenal.spb.ru/assets/files/gazeta/2013/06_2013.pdf
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=2943904

That is a possibility. But Resurs-DK1 carried also the rather bulky PAMELA payload and only required the smaller 17С13А fairing.

Another posibility is, that the ST-type fairing is becoming the standard fairing, as hinted by one of my Russian contacts. I could not yet verify, if this is true.

Having re-read that old document, I think you are correct in that the ST-type will become standard, but for Soyuz-2-1B only.

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Сборочно-защитный блок (СЗБ) предназначен для обеспечения защиты КА от воздействия внешней атмосферы и тепловых потоков и для сопряжения КА с РН. В состав СЗБ входят головной обтекатель (ГО) и переходной отсек (ПхО). Для запусков КА с помощью РН «Союз-2» в составе СЗБ планируется использование штатного ГО 11С529, массой 1050 кг и штатного ПхО массой 220 кг. Вместе с тем, в случае выведения КА с помощью РН «Союз-2» (этапа разработки «1б») в составе СЗБ может использоваться унифицированный ГО 14С74 массой 2100 кг и ПхО массой 350 кг.
http://docs.cntd.ru/document/901941099

So Bars-M will use the smaller fairing?

But moments after posting that I find the Resurs-P №3 is to use a 17С13А7.
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/epz/order/notice/ep44/view/common-info.html?regNumber=0173100007014000108
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« Reply #99 on: 07/13/2014 04:51 pm »
Somebody help translate late these two?

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на разработку информационного обеспечения и алгоритмов обработки сигналов радиосвязных средств в системе 14К159/160
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=1262675

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Обсуждение:
В связи с тем, что ЗАО «НТЦ КИУС «ЭФФЕС» является соисполнителем по договору на выполнение ОКР «Лиана», а также по решению б/н от 03.06.2014г. предлагается признать ЗАО «НТЦ КИУС «ЭФФЕС» единственным поставщиком на выполнение разработку информационного обеспечения и алгоритмов обработки сигналов радиосвязных средств в системе 14К159/160 в соответствии с п.п. 28 п.2 § 54 Положения о закупке ФГУП «ЦНИРТИ им. академика А.И. Берга».
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/download/download.html?id=7012426

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« Reply #100 on: 07/13/2014 10:37 pm »
Somebody help translate late these two?

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на разработку информационного обеспечения и алгоритмов обработки сигналов радиосвязных средств в системе 14К159/160
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=1262675

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Обсуждение:
В связи с тем, что ЗАО «НТЦ КИУС «ЭФФЕС» является соисполнителем по договору на выполнение ОКР «Лиана», а также по решению б/н от 03.06.2014г. предлагается признать ЗАО «НТЦ КИУС «ЭФФЕС» единственным поставщиком на выполнение разработку информационного обеспечения и алгоритмов обработки сигналов радиосвязных средств в системе 14К159/160 в соответствии с п.п. 28 п.2 § 54 Положения о закупке ФГУП «ЦНИРТИ им. академика А.И. Берга».
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/download/download.html?id=7012426

A company called NTTs KIUS EFFES is awarded a contract to develop software and algorithms for the processing of signals from the 14K159/160 system (which are the designators for the two components of the Liana electronic intelligence system, Lotos-S and Pion-NKS (designed by TsNIRTI).

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« Reply #101 on: 09/16/2014 08:09 pm »
Preparing for Persona №3
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Экспертиза доказательной документации и выдача заключения о готовности изделий 14К031 2-го этапа с изделием 14Ф137 №3 к натурным испытаниям
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=1534415
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #102 on: 10/17/2014 05:54 pm »
Two more Resurs-P, numbers 4 and 5

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Испытание тепловых труб изд. 47КС № 4,5 в составе ПСИ
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #103 on: 11/07/2014 03:09 pm »
Two more Resurs-P, numbers 4 and 5

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Испытание тепловых труб изд. 47КС № 4,5 в составе ПСИ
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/

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Изготовление и поставка 2-х космических аппаратов (далее КА) «Ресурс-П» № 4 и № 5 и их транспортировка на космодром «Байконур».
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- КА «Ресурс-П» № 4 в ноябре 2018 года;
- КА «Ресурс-П» № 5 в ноябре 2019 года.
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/epz/order/notice/ok44/view/common-info.html?regNumber=0173100007014000194
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #104 on: 11/07/2014 03:51 pm »
For comparison:-

Resurs-P № 2
2,215,178,080 Russian ruble

Resurs-P № 3
3,431,200,000 Russian ruble
Transportation to launch site 15,000,000 Russian ruble

Resurs-P № 4
5,072,902,600 Russian ruble
Transportation to launch site 15,553,000 Russian ruble

Resurs-P № 5
5,162,399,400 Russian ruble
Transportation to launch site 15,553,000 Russian ruble

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=32730
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=33126
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #105 on: 11/07/2014 05:47 pm »
I wonder whether these new Resurs-P missions are either to replace the Resurs-PM satellites or to fill in the gap because the PM satellites are delayed.
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #106 on: 11/07/2014 06:16 pm »
I wonder whether these new Resurs-P missions are either to replace the Resurs-PM satellites or to fill in the gap because the PM satellites are delayed

To expand constellation or replace first Resurs-P satellites. There was decision to order two more Resurs-P satellites - number 4 and 5. The first Resurs-PM satellite will be launched in 2019 and there will be four Resurs-PM satellites by 2024.

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #107 on: 11/20/2014 05:19 pm »
It looks like Kobalt №563 Kosmos-2480 was intended to introduce a new fairing, the 14С736. However, I think the rocket ordered to launch Kobalt №563, was instead used to launch the one before Kobalt №562 Kosmos-2472?

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Как установлено материалами дела, между истцом и ответчиком заключен договор №1458/2953 от 21.09.2009 (далее – договор), в соответствии с которым истец обязался выполнить работы по изготовлению СЗБ 14С736 для изделия 11Ф695 №563 (этап 1), а ответчик обязался принять и оплатить выполненные работы в сроки и в порядке установленные договором, предусмотренном условиями договора.

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #108 on: 11/24/2014 08:56 pm »
Tender from RKTs-Progress preparing for launch of Lotos-S.

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Экспертиза устойчивости и управляемости PH «Союз-2» этапа 16 с изделием 14Ф145
Начало Окончание 01.09.2014 - 28.11.2014
Цена этапа в тыс. руб. 800,0
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=1749839
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #109 on: 11/24/2014 09:18 pm »
Tender from RKTs-Progress preparing for launch of Bars-M.

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1. Проведение отработки входного числового массива CHMVXD для расчета бортового полетного задания PH 14А14 этапа 1а с изделием 14Ф148
Сроки выполнения работ (начало-окончание) 01.11.2013-31.01.2014
Цена этапа (тыс. рублей) 2 579,018
2 Анализ устойчивости и управляемости PH 14А14 этапа 1а с изделием 14Ф148
Сроки выполнения работ (начало-окончание) 01.11.2013-28.02.2014
Цена этапа (тыс. рублей) 1 385,029
3. Проведение расчетов точностных характеристик выведения, вариаций времен выдачи команд и параметров траектории PH 14А14 этапа 1а с изделием 14Ф148
Сроки выполнения работ (начало-окончание) 08.01.2014-30.04.2014
Цена этапа (тыс. рублей) 1 540,163
4. Проведение работ по проверке выполнения СУ задачи пуска PH 14А14 этапа 1а с изделием 14Ф148 с рассчитанными ПЗ на отработочных позициях НПОА
Сроки выполнения работ (начало-окончание) 08.01-2014-30.04.2014
Цена этапа (тыс. рублей) 5 035,375
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=1742084
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #110 on: 11/24/2014 09:27 pm »
Is there any actual news of launch dates for the third Persona-1 and the first Bars-M satellites, please?   One of them could be the Soyuz-2-1B launch out of Plesetsk next month.
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #111 on: 12/02/2014 09:50 am »
Something new on the horizon, from RKTs Progress?

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Выдача заключения о технологичности. Разработка директивного техпроцесса директивной техдокументации изд. 14Ф156
http://www.samspace.ru/upload/iblock/c08/План%20закупки%20ОАО%20РКЦ%20Прогресс%20.xlsx
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/

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Разработка и изготовление ОЭК «Севан» (14Ф156-232-1105-2014 ТЗ)
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=1789408
ОЭК - оптико-электронный комплекс?

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Разработанные  изготовленные СИПИ (филиал ОАО «РКЦ «Прогресс» - НПП «ОПТЭКС») и РСНК ОЭК (ОАО «РКЦ» Прогресс» изд. 14Ф156 передаются в ОАО «ЛОМО» на давальческой основе.
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=1789498

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Разработка и защита эскизного проекта по АПУ ЭРДУ
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=1789339
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #112 on: 12/04/2014 10:13 am »
At the same time as 14Ф156 appears, there is also the appearance of a new code 14К046. ‘К’ is for the entire system of rocket, satellite… whilst ‘Ф’ is for just the satellite. Are the too connected?

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«Разработка ЭП на программное обеспечение планирования и управления оптико-электронного наблюдения изделия 14К046»
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=1801997
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #113 on: 12/04/2014 04:20 pm »
At the same time as 14Ф156 appears, there is also the appearance of a new code 14К046. ‘К’ is for the entire system of rocket, satellite… whilst ‘Ф’ is for just the satellite. Are the too connected?

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«Разработка ЭП на программное обеспечение планирования и управления оптико-электронного наблюдения изделия 14К046»
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=1801997
I'm looking into it with some people.

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #114 on: 12/11/2014 03:23 pm »
Another tender for 14Ф148:-
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Проведение работ по окончательной нейтрализации и утилизации заправочного макета СВИТ
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=1494934
СВИТ (системы подачи импульсов тяг) is the satellite platform or bus.

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #115 on: 12/24/2014 06:05 pm »
Found evidence for Lotos-S article 14Ф145 № 803, 804 and 805
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=1895363

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance and other military satellites
« Reply #116 on: 01/09/2015 09:11 am »
14К031 Persona
Optical-electronic reconnaissance satellite
Article:14Ф137 № 3
Components:ОЭК 17В321
СППИ «Сангур-1У»

СУ 14М339М
БВС 14М828
БИС-ЭГ-М
КАС 14М102

3× БОКЗ-М60
МЛСПИ
14Р35
СГК 14М533
Propulsion:14Д520
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1B with 14С738 fairing
Launch site:Plesetsk 17П32-С4
Service life:7 years
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14К035 Bars-M
Optical-electronic area surveillance cartography satellite
Article:14Ф148 № 1
Components:ОЭК «Карат»
ОСД 14М234
 БОКЗ-М60
14Р312

14Р734
14Р739
БИУС-М 14М243
ВРЛ 14В122
БССИ 14В029
Propulsion:СВИТ
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1A
Launch site:Plesetsk 17П32-С4
Mass:4,000 kilogrammes
Service life:5 years
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14К035 Bars-M
Optical-electronic area surveillance cartography satellite
Article:14Ф148 № 2
Components:ОЭК «Карат»
ОСД 14М234
 БОКЗ-М60
14Р312

14Р734
14Р739
БИУС-М 14М243
ВРЛ 14В122
БССИ 14В029
Propulsion:СВИТ
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1A
Launch site:Plesetsk
Mass:4,000 kilogrammes
Service life:5 years
________________________________________________________

14К035 Bars-M
Optical-electronic area surveillance cartography satellite
Article:14Ф148 № 3
Components:ОЭК «Карат»
ОСД 14М234
 БОКЗ-М60
14Р312

14Р734
14Р739
БИУС-М 14М243
ВРЛ 14В122
БССИ 14В029
Propulsion:СВИТ
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1A
Launch site:Plesetsk
Mass:4,000 kilogrammes
Service life:5 years
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14К035 Bars-M
Optical-electronic area surveillance cartography satellite
Article:14Ф148 № 4
Components:ОЭК «Карат»
ОСД 14М234
 БОКЗ-М60
14Р312

14Р734
14Р739
БИУС-М 14М243
ВРЛ 14В122
БССИ 14В029
Propulsion:СВИТ
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1A
Launch site:Plesetsk
Mass:4,000 kilogrammes
Service life:5 years
________________________________________________________

14К035 Bars-M
Optical-electronic area surveillance cartography satellite
Article:14Ф148 № 5
Components:ОЭК «Карат»
ОСД 14М234
 БОКЗ-М60
14Р312

14Р734
14Р739
БИУС-М 14М243
ВРЛ 14В122
БССИ 14В029
Propulsion:СВИТ
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1A
Launch site:Plesetsk
Mass:4,000 kilogrammes
Service life:5 years
________________________________________________________

14К035 Bars-M
Optical-electronic area surveillance cartography satellite
Article:14Ф148 № 6
Components:ОЭК «Карат»
ОСД 14М234
 БОКЗ-М60
14Р312

14Р734
14Р739
БИУС-М 14М243
ВРЛ 14В122
БССИ 14В029
Propulsion:СВИТ
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1A
Launch site:Plesetsk
Mass:4,000 kilogrammes
Service life:5 years
________________________________________________________

14К157 Kobalt-M (4th generation)
Film-return photographic reconnaissance satellite
Article:11Ф695 № 565
Components:17В311М
БВС 14М828
БИС-ЭГ 14И270

2× БОКЗ-М
14Р35
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1A with 14С736 fairing
Launch site:Plesetsk
Mass: 6,700 kilogrammes
Service life:up to 180 days
________________________________________________________

14К159 Lotos-S (part of Liana)
ELINT

Article:14Ф145 № 803
Components:КАС 14М102
2× БОКЗ-М60
14Р35
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1B with 14С741 fairing
Launch site:Plesetsk
Mass:6,000 kilogrammes
Service life:5 years
________________________________________________________

14К159 Lotos-S (part of Liana)
ELINT

Article:14Ф145 № 804
Components:КАС 14М102
2× БОКЗ-М60
14Р35
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1B with 14С741 fairing
Launch site:Plesetsk
Mass:6,000 kilogrammes
Service life:5 years
________________________________________________________

14К159 Lotos-S (part of Liana)
ELINT

Article:14Ф145 № 805
Components:КАС 14М102
2× БОКЗ-М60
14Р35
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1B with 14С741 fairing
Launch site:Plesetsk
Mass:6,000 kilogrammes
Service life:5 years
________________________________________________________

14К160 Pion-NKS (part of Liana)
Naval ELINT
Article:14Ф139 № 901
Components:БВС 14М828
КАС 14М102
2× БОКЗ-М60
14Р35

4× СГК 14М527
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1B with 14С741 fairing
Launch site:Plesetsk 17П32-С4
Mass:6,500 kilogrammes
Service life:4 years
________________________________________________________

14К046
Optical-electronic satellite

Article:14Ф156
Components:ОЭК «Севан»
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Krasnogorskiy zavod im. S. A. Zvereva
ОАО «Красногорский завод им. С.А. Зверева»
Components:17В311М
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Leningrad Optical Mechanical Association
ОАО «Ленинградское оптико-механическое объединение» ЛОМО
Components:ОЭК 17В321
ОЭК «Карат»
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ОАО «НИИ ТП»
Components:14Р35
14Р312
ВРЛ 14В122
БССИ 14В029
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БА - бортовой аппаратуры
onboard equipment
БВС - бортовая вычислительная система
on-board computer system
БИУС - блок измерителей угловой скорости
angular velocity gauge
КАС - комплекс автоматики и стабилизации
complex automation and stabilisation
КИС - командно-измерительной системы
command-measuring system
МЛСПИ - межспутниковые лазерные системы передачи информации
LASER communication system
ОСД - оптический солнечный датчик
optical Sun sensor
ОЭК - оптико-электронный комплекс
optical-electronic complex
СГК - силовой гироскопический комплекс
control moment gyroscope
СУ - системы управления
control systems
СППИ - система приема и преобразования информации
digital system for compression and transmission of photographic information
ВРЛ - высокоскоростная радиолиния
high-speed radio link
БССИ - системы сбора служебной информации
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БИС-ЭГ - бескарданная инерциальная система на базе электростатического гироскопа


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Re: Future photoreconnaissance and other military satellites
« Reply #118 on: 01/09/2015 09:09 pm »
Does this contain an illustration of the Persona?
http://www.ssau.ru/files/education/metod_1/Куренков%20В.И.%20Исследование%20эффективности.pdf

Apparently not. These are methodological instructions for designing remote sensing satellites intended for students of Samara State Aerospace University. What is shown on pp. 44-45 appears to be a hypothetical Ikonos/Pleidades class remote sensing satellite with a mass of around 600 kg. Any resemblance to published diagrams of Persona is probably accidental. 

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance and other military satellites
« Reply #119 on: 01/10/2015 09:48 am »
At the same time as 14Ф156 appears, there is also the appearance of a new code 14К046. ‘К’ is for the entire system of rocket, satellite… whilst ‘Ф’ is for just the satellite. Are the too connected?

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«Разработка ЭП на программное обеспечение планирования и управления оптико-электронного наблюдения изделия 14К046»
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=1801997
I'm looking into it with some people.

Both for the same contract 14-4-51/539/ЗК от 19.06.2014г.?
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance and other military satellites
« Reply #120 on: 01/16/2015 07:44 am »
Pribor optical-electronic complex
Прибор-ОЭК or ОЭК-ВР

Article: 14В333
Service life: 7 years
Launch vehicle: Soyuz

Leningrad Optical Mechanical Association
ОАО «Ленинградское оптико-механическое объединение» ЛОМО
Period: 2007-2010
Total amount: 38,500,000 Russian ruble
http://fcs.vpk.ru/cgi-bin/uis/gk.cgi/ExtDataGk/View/3618070?class_suffix=Gk
Period: 2009
The initial (maximum) contract price: 172,000,000 Russian ruble
http://www.zakupkiold.gov.ru/Tender/ViewPurchase.aspx?PurchaseId=313601
Period: 2010-2013
The initial (maximum) contract price: 795,000,000 Russian ruble
Total amount: 830,710,000 Russian ruble
http://www.zakupkiold.gov.ru/Tender/ViewPurchase.aspx?PurchaseId=754027
http://www.federalspace.ru/2165/
http://fcs.vpk.ru/cgi-bin/uis/gk.cgi/ExtDataGk/View/7207368?class_suffix=Gk

Looks like RKTs-Progress are involved:-
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Аппаратура ОЭК 14В333
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/
http://www.samspace.ru/upload/iblock/d82/План%20закупки%20АО%20«РКЦ%20«Прогресс».xlsx

http://research.ifmo.ru/ru/stat/61/Itogi_NIOKR_2013.htm
https://socionet.ru/pub.xml?h=spz:citis:regkar:01201179869
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance and other military satellites
« Reply #121 on: 01/17/2015 06:42 pm »
At the same time as 14Ф156 appears, there is also the appearance of a new code 14К046. ‘К’ is for the entire system of rocket, satellite… whilst ‘Ф’ is for just the satellite. Are the too connected?

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«Разработка ЭП на программное обеспечение планирования и управления оптико-электронного наблюдения изделия 14К046»
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=1801997
I'm looking into it with some people.
Answer seems to be maybe yes. Only problem is older files don't match with the file in your link. I guess it's your call or some deeper research.

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance and other military satellites
« Reply #122 on: 01/17/2015 08:32 pm »
At the same time as 14Ф156 appears, there is also the appearance of a new code 14К046. ‘К’ is for the entire system of rocket, satellite… whilst ‘Ф’ is for just the satellite. Are the too connected?

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«Разработка ЭП на программное обеспечение планирования и управления оптико-электронного наблюдения изделия 14К046»
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=1801997
I'm looking into it with some people.
Answer seems to be maybe yes. Only problem is older files don't match with the file in your link. I guess it's your call or some deeper research.

I have found they reference the same contract 14-4-51/539/ЗК от 19.06.2014г.?
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance and other military satellites
« Reply #123 on: 02/03/2015 04:30 pm »
14К031 Persona
Optical-electronic reconnaissance satellite
Article:14Ф137 № 3
Components:ОЭК 17В321
СППИ «Сангур-1У»
СУ 14М339М
БВС 14М828
БИС-ЭГ-М
КАС 14М102
3× БОКЗ-М60
МЛСПИ
14Р35
СГК 14М533
Propulsion:14Д520
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1B with 14С738 fairing
Launch site:Plesetsk 17П32-С4
Service life:7 years
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14К035 Bars-M
Optical-electronic area surveillance cartography satellite
Article:14Ф148 № 1
Components:ОЭК «Карат»
ОСД 14М234
3× БОКЗ-М60
14Р312
14Р734
14Р739
БИУС-М 14М243
4× СГК 14М537
МССКМ 14М538

ВРЛ 14В122
БССИ 14В029
Propulsion:СВИТ
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1A with 14С744 fairing
Launch site:Plesetsk 17П32-С4
Mass:4,000 kilogrammes
Service life:5 years
________________________________________________________

14К035 Bars-M
Optical-electronic area surveillance cartography satellite
Article:14Ф148 № 2
Components:ОЭК «Карат»
ОСД 14М234
3× БОКЗ-М60
14Р312
14Р734
14Р739
БИУС-М 14М243
4× СГК 14М537
МССКМ 14М538

ВРЛ 14В122
БССИ 14В029
Propulsion:СВИТ
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1A with 14С744 fairing
Launch site:Plesetsk
Mass:4,000 kilogrammes
Service life:5 years
________________________________________________________

14К035 Bars-M
Optical-electronic area surveillance cartography satellite
Article:14Ф148 № 3
Components:ОЭК «Карат»
ОСД 14М234
3× БОКЗ-М60
14Р312
14Р734
14Р739
БИУС-М 14М243
4× СГК 14М537
МССКМ 14М538

ВРЛ 14В122
БССИ 14В029
Propulsion:СВИТ
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1A with 14С744 fairing
Launch site:Plesetsk
Mass:4,000 kilogrammes
Service life:5 years
________________________________________________________

14К035 Bars-M
Optical-electronic area surveillance cartography satellite
Article:14Ф148 № 4
Components:ОЭК «Карат»
ОСД 14М234
3× БОКЗ-М60
14Р312
14Р734
14Р739
БИУС-М 14М243
4× СГК 14М537
МССКМ 14М538

ВРЛ 14В122
БССИ 14В029
Propulsion:СВИТ
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1A with 14С744 fairing
Launch site:Plesetsk
Mass:4,000 kilogrammes
Service life:5 years
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14К035 Bars-M
Optical-electronic area surveillance cartography satellite
Article:14Ф148 № 5
Components:ОЭК «Карат»
ОСД 14М234
3× БОКЗ-М60
14Р312
14Р734
14Р739
БИУС-М 14М243
4× СГК 14М537
МССКМ 14М538

ВРЛ 14В122
БССИ 14В029
Propulsion:СВИТ
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1A with 14С744 fairing
Launch site:Plesetsk
Mass:4,000 kilogrammes
Service life:5 years
________________________________________________________

14К035 Bars-M
Optical-electronic area surveillance cartography satellite
Article:14Ф148 № 6
Components:ОЭК «Карат»
ОСД 14М234
3× БОКЗ-М60
14Р312
14Р734
14Р739
БИУС-М 14М243
4× СГК 14М537
МССКМ 14М538

ВРЛ 14В122
БССИ 14В029
Propulsion:СВИТ
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1A with 14С744 fairing
Launch site:Plesetsk
Mass:4,000 kilogrammes
Service life:5 years
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14К157 Kobalt-M (4th generation)
Film-return photographic reconnaissance satellite
Article:11Ф695 № 565
Components:17В311М
БВС 14М828
БИС-ЭГ 14И270
2× БОКЗ-М
14Р35
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1A with 14С736 fairing
Launch site:Plesetsk
Mass: 6,700 kilogrammes
Service life:up to 180 days
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14К159 Lotos-S (part of Liana)
ELINT
Article:14Ф145 № 803
Components:КАС 14М102
2× БОКЗ-М60
14Р35
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1B with 14С741 fairing
Launch site:Plesetsk
Mass:6,000 kilogrammes
Service life:5 years
________________________________________________________

14К159 Lotos-S (part of Liana)
ELINT
Article:14Ф145 № 804
Components:КАС 14М102
2× БОКЗ-М60
14Р35
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1B with 14С741 fairing
Launch site:Plesetsk
Mass:6,000 kilogrammes
Service life:5 years
________________________________________________________

14К159 Lotos-S (part of Liana)
ELINT
Article:14Ф145 № 805
Components:КАС 14М102
2× БОКЗ-М60
14Р35
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1B with 14С741 fairing
Launch site:Plesetsk
Mass:6,000 kilogrammes
Service life:5 years
________________________________________________________

14К160 Pion-NKS (part of Liana)
Naval ELINT
Article:14Ф139 № 901
Components:БВС 14М828
КАС 14М102
2× БОКЗ-М60
14Р35
4× СГК 14М527
Launch vehicle:Soyuz-2-1B with 14С741 fairing
Launch site:Plesetsk 17П32-С4
Mass:6,500 kilogrammes
Service life:4 years
________________________________________________________

14К046
Optical-electronic satellite
Article:14Ф156
Components:ОЭК «Севан»
________________________________________________________



Krasnogorskiy zavod im. S. A. Zvereva
ОАО «Красногорский завод им. С.А. Зверева»
Components:17В311М
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Leningrad Optical Mechanical Association
ОАО «Ленинградское оптико-механическое объединение» ЛОМО
Components:ОЭК 17В321
ОЭК «Карат»
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ОАО «НИИ ТП»
Components:14Р35
14Р312
ВРЛ 14В122
БССИ 14В029
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БА - бортовой аппаратуры
onboard equipment
БВС - бортовая вычислительная система
on-board computer system
БИС-ЭГ - бескарданная инерциальная система на базе электростатического гироскопа
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БИУС - блок измерителей угловой скорости
angular velocity gauge
БССИ - системы сбора служебной информации
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ВРЛ - высокоскоростная радиолиния
high-speed radio link
КАС - комплекс автоматики и стабилизации
complex automation and stabilisation
КИС - командно-измерительной системы
command-measuring system
МЛСПИ - межспутниковые лазерные системы передачи информации
LASER communication system
МССКМ - магнитная система сброса кинетического момента
angular momentum magnetic system
ОСД - оптический солнечный датчик
optical Sun sensor
ОЭК - оптико-электронный комплекс
optical-electronic complex
СГК - силовой гироскопический комплекс
control moment gyroscope
СУ - системы управления
control systems
СППИ - система приема и преобразования информации
digital system for compression and transmission of photographic information


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Re: Future photoreconnaissance and other military satellites
« Reply #124 on: 02/17/2015 07:33 pm »
Facilities in Plesetsk for Persona, Meridian and Labirint were included in Federal Dedicated Program (FTsP) for "Development of Russian Cosmodromes" (RKK).

http://www.programs-gov.ru/30_1.php
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance and other military satellites
« Reply #125 on: 02/23/2015 08:44 pm »
Can someone help with a translation of this please:-

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Участие в проведении метрологической экспертизы изделия 14К031 с комплектом конструкторской документации (в ОАО «РКЦ «Прогресс») в период подготовки КА к запуску.
01.11.2014 - 15.02.2015
Участие в проведении метрологической экспертизы АСУ изделия 14Ф137 (в в/ч 32103, в процессе проведения работ по управлению КА в полете).
01.03.2015 - 30.06.2015
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=2066251

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance and other military satellites
« Reply #126 on: 02/25/2015 05:38 pm »
On January 16 Stan Black posted some information concerning the Pribor optical system, 14V333.

The satellite is rather reminiscent of Progress representations of the Persona-1/Kvarts satellite, the major difference being that Persona-1 has four sets of solar panels while the new depiction shows two sets.

Sticking my neck out - which I often do and then live to regret it - I wonder if this could be a Persona-2 satellite?
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance and other military satellites
« Reply #127 on: 03/06/2015 12:15 pm »
At the same time as 14Ф156 appears, there is also the appearance of a new code 14К046. ‘К’ is for the entire system of rocket, satellite… whilst ‘Ф’ is for just the satellite. Are the too connected?

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«Разработка ЭП на программное обеспечение планирования и управления оптико-электронного наблюдения изделия 14К046»
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=1801997
I'm looking into it with some people.
Answer seems to be maybe yes. Only problem is older files don't match with the file in your link. I guess it's your call or some deeper research.

I have found they reference the same contract 14-4-51/539/3K от 19.06.2014г.?

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Разработка методики априорного расчета ЛРМ изд. 14Ф156 без учета атмосферы, методики расчета экспонометрических параметров ОЭК “Севан” при штатной эксплуатации изделия без учета параметров атмосферы, методики апостериорной оценки ЛРМ изделия 14Ф156, методики подтверждения выполнения требований ТТЗ в части ЛРМ в зачетных условиях, методики определения ширины полосы обзора с заданным качеством СпИ в процессе эксплуатации изделия 14Ф156 и программных комплексов “Автоматизированное определение параметров качества изображения”, “Информационно-управляющий комплекс”, “Оценка и подтверждение ТТХ изд. 14К046”, “Полетная калибровка изд. 14К046”, “Нормализация целевой информации изд. 14К046”, “Мониторинг целевой и измерительной аппаратуры изд. 14К046”, “База данных по яркостным характеристикам”
http://www.samspace.ru/upload/iblock/a50/План%20закупки%20товаров%20(работ,%20услуг)%20на%202015г.xlsx
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance and other military satellites
« Reply #128 on: 03/08/2015 09:14 pm »
Found evidence for Lotos-S article 14Ф145 № 803, 804 and 805
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=1895363

Contract №З/2/1/11-14-ДОГОЗ from 1st September 2014, for 14Ф145 in 2017 and 2018.
http://mzarsenal.spb.ru/assets/files/Ivanova/2014/Soob.f_13_11_2014.doc

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance and other military satellites
« Reply #129 on: 03/20/2015 08:04 am »
On January 16 Stan Black posted some information concerning the Pribor optical system, 14V333.

The satellite is rather reminiscent of Progress representations of the Persona-1/Kvarts satellite, the major difference being that Persona-1 has four sets of solar panels while the new depiction shows two sets.

Sticking my neck out - which I often do and then live to regret it - I wonder if this could be a Persona-2 satellite?

RKTs Progress have ordered two 14В333 from LOMO; to meet their commitments under contract №З/2/1/12-14-ДОГОЗ from 27th August 2014.

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Изделие 14В333
ИКШЮ.201219.007 №3
ИКШЮ.201219.007 №4
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=2190427
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance and other military satellites
« Reply #130 on: 03/29/2015 10:18 am »
There is this reference:-
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Разработка и согласование ГЧ и Э3 на микросхемы ФПЗС «Севан-ПХ» и ФПЗС «Севан-МС» для изд.14К046
http://www.samspace.ru/upload/iblock/a50/План%20закупки%20товаров%20(работ,%20услуг)%20на%202015г.xlsx
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/

ФПЗС (фотоприемников с зарядовой связью) is the CCD image sensor.

Pribor-OEK also contains multispectral (МС) and panchromatic sensors (ПХ).
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ОЭП - оптико-электронный преобразователь
МС - мультиспектральный диапазон
ПХ – панхроматический диапазон

Contract №З/2/1/12-14-ДОГОЗ includes Bars-M №3, №4, №5 and №6, and also references 14В333 №3 and №4.

The contract for the first two Bars-M is №К-33-02-07 dated 12th October 2007.

So is 14В333 the «Севан» developed under «Прибор-ОЭК»?
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance and other military satellites
« Reply #131 on: 03/30/2015 09:08 pm »
It's obvious that these future photoreconnaissance satellites have received the highest priority and funding.
But what about other Russian military satellites or platforms in the future? I'm thinking of hunter-killer satellites to add to the inventory already in place. Will future Russian hunter-killer sats rely on high-energy lasers? or will they use the old-fashioned shrapnel/buckshot spray method to knock out enemy sats?

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance and other military satellites
« Reply #132 on: 03/30/2015 09:17 pm »
It's obvious that these future photoreconnaissance satellites have received the highest priority and funding.
But what about other Russian military satellites or platforms in the future? I'm thinking of hunter-killer satellites to add to the inventory already in place. Will future Russian hunter-killer sats rely on high-energy lasers? or will they use the old-fashioned shrapnel/buckshot spray method to knock out enemy sats?

There is no evidence to support any of this, although I would not be surprised if this were a future topic of investigation.

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Company LZOS made very interesting things, such as mirrors for Resurs-P and Kobalt cameras.

But they also made mirrors for a mysterious military space project called Klistron...

There are references in these documents, but no details.

PS : This is my 2000th message on this forum ! :D
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Systems 14M537, 14M538, 14V122 and KAS-B for future Bars-M satellites :

http://www.tenderguru.ru/fullinfo.php?id=16033343

http://www.tenderguru.ru/fullinfo.php?id=15905499

https://zakupki.kontur.ru/31401857238

https://zakupki.kontur.ru/31401759779

Try using:-
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru
Search under 223Ф, either for a company like ‘Progress’ or keyword ‘14Ф1’. 44Ф is for current government tenders, like from Roskosmos.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Blagovest !

Picture from Reshetnev's gazeta n°399.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Blagovest !

Picture from Reshetnev's gazeta n°399.
interesting design of the side panels

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This is, what Blagovest looks like when deployed

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A new picture of Blagovest, from Resetnev gazeta n°404.
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At the same time as 14Ф156 appears, there is also the appearance of a new code 14К046. ‘К’ is for the entire system of rocket, satellite… whilst ‘Ф’ is for just the satellite. Are the too connected?

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«Разработка ЭП на программное обеспечение планирования и управления оптико-электронного наблюдения изделия 14К046»
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=1801997
I'm looking into it with some people.
Answer seems to be maybe yes. Only problem is older files don't match with the file in your link. I guess it's your call or some deeper research.

I have found they reference the same contract 14-4-51/539/ЗК от 19.06.2014г.?
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum14/topic14042/message1543720/#message1543720

The name is ‘Razdan’?

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По предварительным планам, запуск первого "Раздана" космические войска планируют провести с космодрома Плесецк в 2019 году, второго — в 2022-м, третьего — в 2024-м.
Подробнее: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3049019
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum14/topic14042/message1543720/#message1543720
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It would be so useful if posts like the one above had the Russian text translated into English (please) - after all, this is an English-language web site.   Isn't it?
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It would be so useful if posts like the one above had the Russian text translated into English (please) - after all, this is an English-language web site.   Isn't it?

Sorry Phil, it was only the name ‘Razdan’ I was trying to post and linking to the sources.

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A quick summary of the 28 July 2016 Kommersant article on Razdan mentioned in Stan Black's post :

Quoting two industry sources and one military source, Kommersant's Ivan Sarfonov says TsSKB/Progress is working on a new generation of digital reconnaissance satellites (14F156/Razdan) that are supposed to replace the Persona satellites. 14F156 is also mentioned in an updated plan of acquisitions that appeared on the Progress website a couple of days ago. It's also known that in July 2015 the company ordered a study to determine among other things how much of the satellite's on-board electronics is foreign-built and how much of the equipment is subject to "export restrictions" (read : components that can no longer be exported to Russia due to the economic sanctions may have to be replaced by Russian-built components and this can lead to delays in the construction of the satellites). 

The first Razdan is tentatively scheduled for launch from Plesetsk in 2019, the second in 2022 and the third in 2024. The third one will be the first to carry a new 2 meter mirror that will be built by the Zverev factory in Krasnogorsk (and not by the LOMO company that built the optics for Persona).

Currently the Russians still have two operational Persona satellites in orbit. If they break down early or if the launch of the first Razdan is delayed, the Russian military will have to rely on data from civilian Earth remote sensing satellites to fill the gap. Data from civilian satellites such as Resurs and Kanonus have already been used to complement information from the Persona satellites during Russia's military campaign in Syria, which has again brought to the foreground the importance of space-based military reconnaissance.


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A quick summary of the 28 July 2016 Kommersant article on Razdan mentioned in Stan Black's post

Data from civilian satellites such as Resurs and Kanonus have already been used to complement information from the Persona satellites during Russia's military campaign in Syria, which has again brought to the foreground the importance of space-based military reconnaissance.


Space based reconnaissance isn't as important when you are free to conduct aircraft based recon, at will, anywhere in the region you are interested in...
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A quick summary of the 28 July 2016 Kommersant article on Razdan mentioned in Stan Black's post :

Quoting two industry sources and one military source, Kommersant's Ivan Sarfonov says TsSKB/Progress is working on a new generation of digital reconnaissance satellites (14F156/Razdan) that are supposed to replace the Persona satellites. 14F156 is also mentioned in an updated plan of acquisitions that appeared on the Progress website a couple of days ago. It's also known that in July 2015 the company ordered a study to determine among other things how much of the satellite's on-board electronics is foreign-built and how much of the equipment is subject to "export restrictions" (read : components that can no longer be exported to Russia due to the economic sanctions may have to be replaced by Russian-built components and this can lead to delays in the construction of the satellites). 

The first Razdan is tentatively scheduled for launch from Plesetsk in 2019, the second in 2022 and the third in 2024. The third one will be the first to carry a new 2 meter mirror that will be built by the Zverev factory in Krasnogorsk (and not by the LOMO company that built the optics for Persona).

Currently the Russians still have two operational Persona satellites in orbit. If they break down early or if the launch of the first Razdan is delayed, the Russian military will have to rely on data from civilian Earth remote sensing satellites to fill the gap. Data from civilian satellites such as Resurs and Kanonus have already been used to complement information from the Persona satellites during Russia's military campaign in Syria, which has again brought to the foreground the importance of space-based military reconnaissance.

Don't you really need four satellites to have complete Earth coverage?

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All go into SSO. Up to four you get better revisiting time, but you cover the whole world, eventually.

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All go into SSO. Up to four you get better revisiting time, but you cover the whole world, eventually.

The KH-11 network up until recently was apparently maintained at four, two east and two west.

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A quick summary of the 28 July 2016 Kommersant article on Razdan mentioned in Stan Black's post

Data from civilian satellites such as Resurs and Kanonus have already been used to complement information from the Persona satellites during Russia's military campaign in Syria, which has again brought to the foreground the importance of space-based military reconnaissance.


Space based reconnaissance isn't as important when you are free to conduct aircraft based recon, at will, anywhere in the region you are interested in...

https://theaviationist.com/2016/07/31/russias-most-advanced-spyplane-has-deployed-to-syria-again/
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All go into SSO. Up to four you get better revisiting time, but you cover the whole world, eventually.

The KH-11 network up until recently was apparently maintained at four, two east and two west.
The context was theRussian Persona spy satellite. The American Molnyia orbiting sats are a different case

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All go into SSO. Up to four you get better revisiting time, but you cover the whole world, eventually.

The KH-11 network up until recently was apparently maintained at four, two east and two west.
The context was theRussian Persona spy satellite. The American Molnyia orbiting sats are a different case

I don't understand your point as far as I am aware Persona is the Russian equivalent to the KH-11, especially as the KH-11 do not occupy Molniya orbits.

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All go into SSO. Up to four you get better revisiting time, but you cover the whole world, eventually.

The KH-11 network up until recently was apparently maintained at four, two east and two west.
The context was theRussian Persona spy satellite. The American Molnyia orbiting sats are a different case

I don't understand your point as far as I am aware Persona is the Russian equivalent to the KH-11, especially as the KH-11 do not occupy Molniya orbits.
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All go into SSO. Up to four you get better revisiting time, but you cover the whole world, eventually.

The KH-11 network up until recently was apparently maintained at four, two east and two west.
The context was the Russian Persona spy satellite. The American Molnyia orbiting sats are a different case

I don't understand your point as far as I am aware Persona is the Russian equivalent to the KH-11, especially as the KH-11 do not occupy Molniya orbits.
I was slightly confused. But KH-11 use a different SSO than Persona. The Persona orbits are practically circular, while the latest KH-11 are more elliptic. In the Russian case they are pretty much the same in any side of the orbit, but in the American case it is not so.
Please remember that for SSO you always fly around the terminator line. And typical orbit time is less than 2 hrs, normally more like 1hr. For feature analysis, a long shadow is desirable, and so the KH-11 are optimized for a certain apogee. Thus, through each orbit, they will go through a sunrise and a sunset terminator. Again, since their orbits are not circular, they positioned for shadows East or shadows West.
Persona can take pictures on both passes.
The problem with one satellite is that the orbital period and the rotation of the Earth might mean you miss the place you want on a morning or evening. But you get nothing for midnight and noon.

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All go into SSO. Up to four you get better revisiting time, but you cover the whole world, eventually.

The KH-11 network up until recently was apparently maintained at four, two east and two west.
The context was the Russian Persona spy satellite. The American Molnyia orbiting sats are a different case

I don't understand your point as far as I am aware Persona is the Russian equivalent to the KH-11, especially as the KH-11 do not occupy Molniya orbits.
I was slightly confused. But KH-11 use a different SSO than Persona. The Persona orbits are practically circular, while the latest KH-11 are more elliptic. In the Russian case they are pretty much the same in any side of the orbit, but in the American case it is not so.
Please remember that for SSO you always fly around the terminator line. And typical orbit time is less than 2 hrs, normally more like 1hr. For feature analysis, a long shadow is desirable, and so the KH-11 are optimized for a certain apogee. Thus, through each orbit, they will go through a sunrise and a sunset terminator. Again, since their orbits are not circular, they positioned for shadows East or shadows West.
Persona can take pictures on both passes.
The problem with one satellite is that the orbital period and the rotation of the Earth might mean you miss the place you want on a morning or evening. But you get nothing for midnight and noon.

You can get something out of a nighttime pass if you have a thermal IR sensor. As for noon, if your satellite is on a SSO orbit it will pass over the equator at a fixed local time, typically around 10:30 for a morning pass (east planes) or 13:30 for an afternoon pass (west planes), for optical satellites. 

At 700km you need 2 satellites to have a 1-day revisit capability with <45° viewing angle.

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http://www.glonass-center.ru/aboutIAC/Report%20by%20Kosenko%20Zvonar_3.pdf
Is it possible there are two Nivelir projects?
yes.
Nivelir-ZU (RKTs Progress with NPO Lavochkin) and Nivelir-MNK-OZS (ISS Reshetnev) are the two known projects at this time although a third project via RKK Energia is hinted in documentation from time to time.
http://russianspaceweb.com/napryazhenie.html
Well, you would then talk about six projects, namely:
Nivelir
Nivelir-ZU
Nivelir-L
Nivelir-L-ZU
Nivelir-P
Nivelir-MNK-OZS.
It's too many for me -- I persume there is one or two main project(s) and a lot of subprojects, both listed above and still unknown.
Also, I absolutely don't see any relation between Nivelir-L and Napryazheniye-L projects other than NPP OPTEKS ordered some electronic components for both.

Here is an example of how the various projects can be found associated to one satellite:-
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По договорам с ОАО «ИСС» г. Железногорск на СЧ ОКР «Сфера-НК», «Сфера-УКС», «Сфера-УСС», «Сфера-ПКП», «Сфера-АСС», «Сфера-АМС», «Сфера-АПУ» выполнена разработка ЭТП по созданию земных средств связи космической системы 14К044(«Сфера»). В 2013г. разрабатывались и согласовывались технические задания и оформлялись договора для проведения разработки РКД и изготовления опытных образцов семейства станций космической системы «Сфера».
Sfera is the follow on to both Meridian and Raduga communication satellites.
http://www.e-disclosure.ru/portal/FileLoad.ashx?Fileid=925157

Also, another reference to the Nivelir satellite:-
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Мы продуктивно сотрудничаем с вами в области создания автономной системы навигации для космических аппаратов, таких как «Арктика-М», «Резонанс», «Нивелир» и других.
https://glavportal.com/spec/80-let-npo-imeni-s-lavochkina/

 
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On January 16 Stan Black posted some information concerning the Pribor optical system, 14V333.

The satellite is rather reminiscent of Progress representations of the Persona-1/Kvarts satellite, the major difference being that Persona-1 has four sets of solar panels while the new depiction shows two sets.

Sticking my neck out - which I often do and then live to regret it - I wonder if this could be a Persona-2 satellite?

RKTs Progress have ordered two 14В333 from LOMO; to meet their commitments under contract №З/2/1/12-14-ДОГОЗ from 27th August 2014.

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Изделие 14В333
ИКШЮ.201219.007 №3
ИКШЮ.201219.007 №4
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=2190427

A little bit confused.

Contract №З/2/1/12-14-ДОГОЗ is associated with the Bars-M satellites, article 14Ф148.

So is part with index 14В333 incorrectly associated with Pribor?

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«Проведение дополнительных испытаний ЭКБ ОП для комплектации аппаратуры СУ ОТМ и плат управления СФК (ПУ) изделия 14В333 (ШО-5, ШО-6) объекта 14Ф148, включая проведение входного контроля, отбраковочных испытаний, диагностического неразрушающего контроля, разрушающего физического анализа»
https://www.e-disclosure.ru/portal/FileLoad.ashx?Fileid=1353798
https://www.e-disclosure.ru/portal/files.aspx?id=3522&type=2
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fairing serial is 98 KS 1000-0 Launcher serial is No. 78072003
Payload is called Nivelir-ZU No.1 (14F150)

http://russianspaceweb.com/napryazhenie.html
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The Nivelir project reaches launch pad?

The Russian government has released very little information about the upcoming flight, but it appears that it might be carrying the first of several 14F150 Napryazhenie geodetic satellites developed within the Nivelir-ZU project. The Russian word "napryazhenie" stands for voltage, while "nivelir" means level.

‘ZU’ is a component?

From Progress procurement plan of 2013 there are four entries:-
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Поставка ЭРИ ОП и ЭРИ ИП в обеспечение комплектования ЗУ ОКР «Нивелир»
Изготовление и поставка модулей ЗУ для изделия 14Ф150 (ОКР «Нивелир-ЗУ»)
Поставка ЭРИ ИП в обеспечение омплектования ЗУ для ЭО КА «Напряжение»
Изготовление и поставка модулей ЗУ для ЭО КА «Напряжение»
ОКР - опытно-конструкторские работы
КА is the abbreviation for satellite.

‘Nivelir-ZU’ is the name of the work, not the satellite?

In 2014:-
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Поставка модулей ХП-М, ЦСВВ, ЗУ в обеспечение комплектования ОКР «Нивелир-Л-ЗУ»
Поставка ЭРИ ОП и ЭРИ ИП в обеспечение комплектования ЗУ ОКР «Нивелир»
Поставка ЭРИ ИП в обеспечение комплектования ЗУ для ЭО КА «Напряжение»

From 2015:-
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Модули ХП-М, ЦСВВ, ЗУ для изделия КА 14Ф155
Поставка модулей ХП-М, ЗУ, ЦСВВ для образца технологического блока ЗУ для стенда КА 14Ф150

Progress procurement plans can be found here:-
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/

Further indication Nivelir-L and Napryazhenie-L are different satellites:-
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1.3. В целях расширения рынка сбыта выпускаемых приборов проводится согласование
протоколов разрешённого применения на применение приборов на КА «Спектр-РГ», «Нивелир-Л», «Напряжение-Л», «Резонанс», 14Ф01.
http://www.geofizika-cosmos.ru/assets/files/otchyotnost/godovoj-otchet-2013.pdf

Just to confirm Mr. Pillet’s information that 14Ф150 was a payload for a Soyuz rocket, comes from TSENKI procurement plan of 2015:-
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Дооборудование СК 17П32-С4 под КА 14Ф150
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/plan/public/download/download.html?id=1677613 http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=26990.msg1339253#msg1339253

Also possibly the connection with Lavochkin can be found from this entry in Progress procurement plan:-
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Изготовление и поставка модулей ХП-М, ЦСВВ, ЗУ для аппаратуры МКА-ФКИ

As to its function, the only piece of information is this:-
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4 ЦНИИ МО РФ совместно с кооперацией подготовлена и представлена заказчику тематическая карточка на проведение базовой НИР «Нивелир-П» в 2014- 2015 годы «Комплексные исследования путей создания многоярусной космиче- ской системы мониторинга геодезических параметров Земли в интересах обеспечения стратегических сил и высокоточного оружия. Экспериментальная отработка ключевых элементов системы».
http://www.glonass-center.ru/aboutIAC/Report%20by%20Kosenko%20Zvonar_3.pdf

Is it possible there are two Nivelir projects?

14Ф155 has liquid rocket engines:-
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В настоящее время осуществляю руководство разработки и изготовления ЖРД для КА «Луна-Глоб», «ЭкзоМарс 2020», «14Ф155», «Федерация», «14С022».
https://lobnya.superjob.ru/resume/rukovoditel-proekta-21822178.html

Also Lavochkin are involved:-
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1.5. Работа по договору выполняется в рамках контракта
№1623187308641452246000340/672761 между АО «НИИЭМ» и ФГУП «НПО им. С.А. Лавочкина», заключенного во исполнение государственного контракта
№1623187308641452246000340 от 29.09.2016 г. между ФГУП «ЪШО им. С.А. Лавочкина» и МО РФ. Идентификатор государственного контракта
№1623 187308641452246000340.
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?regNumber=31705454915

So is Napryazhenie article 14Ф155?
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Another purchase announced by the Russian military is of the Lotos-M reconnaissance satellite, which “will join a constellation working in the interest of the armed forces” and “provide information support for the Navy,” [the deputy Defense Minister] said. The spacecraft may be a new version of the Lotos-S signal intelligence satellite. The Russian military has two of them in orbit now and uses them as part of the Liana system, used by the Russian Navy to detect and target potentially hostile targets.

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Is Stan Black suggesting that Napryazhenie article 14Ф155 might be Cosmos 2519 amid all of that confusing cutting and pasting?
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Is Stan Black suggesting that Napryazhenie article 14Ф155 might be Cosmos 2519 amid all of that confusing cutting and pasting?

Nivelir and Napryazhenie are different satellites?
Nevilir is 14Ф150?
Napryazhenie is 14Ф155?

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Kosmos 2519 can have a different project number than the subsatellite.
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There was plans for one further Kobalt-M satellite?
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Письмом от 06.09.2012 № 333/3370-115 ОАО «МЗ «Арсенал» в связи с отсутствием решения  Генерального заказчика  дальнейшем производстве изделия  11Ф695  с №566 проинформировал истца о приостановлении истцом работ по изготовлению деталей по Договору, а также о приостановлении заказчиком закупки материалов (давальческого сырья) по Договору и невозможности указания точных сроков возобновления поставки этого сырья (том 1, л.д.43).
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Further Lotos-S, №806-809.
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Работа по определению возможности продления срока сохраняемости ЭРИ ИП ССКМ/145 для изделий 14Ф145 №806-809.
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/plan/public/plan/info/positions.html?planId=374094&planInfoId=2246500&versioned=&activeTab=4
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Curious picture or Resurs-PM?
http://www.volgaspace.ru/RusNanoSat-2017/ar/plenary/Plenary_Kosmodemyanskiy.pdf

What is odd that the latest procurement plan from Roskosmos indicates it will fly with the same type of fairing as the older models.
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/epz/purchaseplanfz44/printForm/view.html?printFormId=13022351

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Anatoly Zak posted a similar picture on Facebook a while ago.   It looks as if the Kvarts design is replacing the digital Yantar platform for Resurs-PM.
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Curious picture or Resurs-PM?
http://www.volgaspace.ru/RusNanoSat-2017/ar/plenary/Plenary_Kosmodemyanskiy.pdf

What is odd that the latest procurement plan from Roskosmos indicates it will fly with the same type of fairing as the older models.
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/epz/purchaseplanfz44/printForm/view.html?printFormId=13022351

earlier in 2017 Resurs-PM had been shown basically similar, but with solar arrays and some antennas repositioned. Anatoly Zak had this image on his site.

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Anatoly Zak posted a similar picture on Facebook a while ago.   It looks as if the Kvarts design is replacing the digital Yantar platform for Resurs-PM.

So Persona or Kvarts used 14С738. That formed the basis of the 81КС. The ST larger diameter type of fairing.

The smaller Bars-M use a variation of the old Yantar fairing.

Resurs-P too use a variation of the Yantar fairing.

The smaller Obzor-R is of the same type of satellite as Bars-M. However it is to fly with a 81КС fairing.
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Anatoly Zak posted a similar picture on Facebook a while ago.   It looks as if the Kvarts design is replacing the digital Yantar platform for Resurs-PM.

So Persona or Kvarts used 14С737. That formed the basis of the 81КС. The ST larger diameter type of fairing.

The smaller Bars-M use a variation of the old Yantar fairing.

Resurs-P too use a variation of the Yantar fairing.

The smaller Obzor-R is of the same type of satellite as Bars-M. However it is to fly with a 81КС fairing.
They are also trying to standardize in the coming years the offerings of fairings for the Soyuz-2 family.

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http://mil.today/2016/Space1/

http://mapgroup.com.ua/kosmicheskie-apparaty/27-rossiya/1581-razdan-razdan-14f1156-1-2-3

The satellite in the photo certainly does not weigh 7000 kg.
(the picture is called "Tundra" ??)
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"Tundra" is the name of the new-generation early warning satellite system which has comprised Cosmos 2510 and Cosmos 2518 to date.   So, completely different to Razdan.
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I think the picture shows neither Tundra nor Rasdan.
Maybe a product of the imagination.
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I think the picture shows neither Tundra nor Rasdan.
Maybe a product of the imagination.

Ball BCP based satellite?

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I think the picture shows neither Tundra nor Rasdan.
Maybe a product of the imagination.

Ball BCP based satellite?

Yes, this is NASA's CloudSat

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http://russianspaceweb.com/eks-tundra.html#2018
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Geostationary version of the Tundra early warning satellite to be developed

In its annual report published in June 2018, RKK Energia announced that during 2017 it had been working on determining the design concept of a spacecraft for the geostationary orbit. Although, it was identified in the text as a "communications" satellite, the context of the document, mentioning launches of other such "communications" satellites in May 2017 and at the end of 2015 (exactly when the previous EKS missions lifted off), left no doubt that the information actually referred to the EKS/Tundra project.

The wording in the report seemingly confirmed that the geostationary version of the EKS/Tundra satellite was still in the early stage of development.

In the meantime, in June 2017, ISS Reshetnev announced that it had manufactured mechanical hardware for the solar panel rotation mechanism for the spacecraft built by RKK Energia. Reshetnev said that it had been the fifth copy of the system designed to point solar panels toward the Sun. Because the host spacecraft had not been identified, the announcement likely referred to the EKS/Tundra satellite as well.

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https://ria.ru/science/20180703/1523827872.html

According to Lev Shilov, deputy director of the Progress Rocket Center in Samara, the next-generation Resurs-PM satellites will be used for several other tasks apart from remote sensing, more particularly detection of missile launches, observations of objects in Earth orbit (both satellites and space debris) and astronomical observations.

Resurs-PM will be carrying both high-resolution and medium-resolution camera systems (identified by other sources as Pribor-OEK and Pribor-SR, see attached images) and both of these will be adapated for observations of objects in Earth orbit and outer space. The high-resolution cameras will be able to obtain detailed images of objects with a diameter of 5 m from a distance of 2800 km and the medium-resolution system will be able to detect such objects from a distance of 400 km. Shilov said the Resurs-P1 satellite was already used in 2012-2014 to photograph an (unidentified) satellite from a distance of 400-500 km.

Shilov stressed that Earth remote sensing remains the main purpose of the Resurs-PM satellites and that their cameras will only be aimed at objects if there is an urgent need to do so. In order to do that, the satellites will be equipped with micro engines that will allow them to make 180° turns in just four minutes. In that attitude the solar panels will not be facing the Sun, meaning the satellites will have to draw power from on-board batteries.  They will be able to remain in that attitude for 90 minutes. 

Shilov said three Resurs-PM satellites are currently planned for launch, the first in 2020, the second in 2021 and the third before 2025.

Since Resurs-PM is likely to be a civilian outgrowth of the current Persona reconnaissance satellites, one wonders if Persona also has an early warning and space surveillance capability.


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A newsletter of the Scientific Production Corporation ‘Precision Instrument Systems” (NPK SPP)  published in December 2016 mentions successful laser communication tests performed by satellites identified as 14F137 nr. 3 and 14F135 nr. 12. 14F137 nr. 3 is the third Persona optical reconnaissance satellite launched in June 2015 as Cosmos-2506.  14F135 is an unknown designator and what is probably meant is 14F136 nr. 12L, which is  the second Garpun military data relay satellite, launched in December 2015 as Cosmos-2513.  Also involved in the experiments were ground-based laser terminals in the Caucasus (Arkhyz) and the Altai mountains (presumably the Titov Optical Laser Center (AOLTs)).

http://www.npk-spp.ru/images/stories/gazeta/01.pdf

The annual report of NPK SPP for 2013 had already mentioned planned laser communication tests between a low-orbiting "remote sensing satellite" and a geostationary relay satellite under OKR (experimental design work) themes called “Yaguar” and “LT-150”. At the time, the experiments were expected to begin in 2014.

https://updoc.site/download/5ad06e629f45a_pdf

Writing on a forum, one insider has referred to LT-150 as “the receiving part of Yaguar” in geostationary orbit (with a data rate of 150 Mbit/s), so apparently Yaguar is the uplink system on Persona nr. 3 and LT-150 is the laser terminal on the Garpun satellite that picks up and relays the information.

https://nabbla1.livejournal.com/112884.html

NPK SPP pioneered Russian space-based laser communication experiments on the International Space Station in 2011-2012. A laser terminal called BTLS (see image) was mounted on the the outside of the Zvezda module for a series of experiments called SLS (Laser Communication System). The tests were limited to direct downlinks from ISS to the ground, but the second stage of the experiments was to see laser communication tests via Luch-5 data relay satellites.  See this TsNIIMash document:

http://knts.tsniimash.ru/ru/src/CenterInfRes/ИС%20СЛС_2013%20г.doc

However, the laser terminals developed for Luch (under an OKR known as “Lan’”) were not installed on any of the three Luch-5 satellites. It now looks like the laser communication experiments using a geostationary data relay satellite are scheduled for 2018-2020. They are called SLS-2 and will require a modernized laser terminal for ISS called BTLS-2. See this TsNIIMash document:

http://knts.tsniimash.ru/ru/site/Experiment_q.aspx?idE=340

Possibly, the geostationary laser terminal will be installed on the Yenisey-A1 satellite (which replaces the earlier planned Luch-4 satellite) that should be launched next year.

The same article in the 2016 NPK SPP newsletter also mentions successful tests of a laser rangefinder called 14V96 on the  14F148 nr. 1 and 2 satellites. These are the Bars-M topographic mapping satellites launched as  Cosmos-2503 in February 2015 and Cosmos-2515 in March 2016. The instrument is needed to accurately determine the scale of the geodetic images relayed by the satellites.  14V96 is said to be the first of a third generation of space-based laser rangefinders built by NPK SPP and has little in common with the 50 laser rangefinders of the first two generations that the company built last century.   Another designator for the same laser rangefinder may be LD-148. This is the designator for a space-based laser rangefinder given in NPK SPP’s 2013 annual report. Four of these were to be manufactured before 2020.   



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I know that I am being highly optimistic with this enquiry ....... but has anyone seen any news about the launches of the third Bars-M (expected last year) and the first Razdan (due this year?) satellites, please/
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I know that I am being highly optimistic with this enquiry ....... but has anyone seen any news about the launches of the third Bars-M (expected last year) and the first Razdan (due this year?) satellites, please/
Bars-M 3
Bars-M 4
Razdan No.1
announced in NK-Forum for 2019 without exact date.
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https://www.rbc.ru/business/10/07/2019/5d25f06e9a794704957b876f

Roscosmos has proposed legislation that would ban the release of procurement documentation related to Russia's space program. It is hoped the legislation will go into effect next December. The following reasons are given:

- to prevent the access of third persons to information on purchases by organizations in the rocket and space sector
- to increase information security in the space sector
- to prevent foreign states and groups of foreign states from imposing sanctions on organizations in the rocket and space industry

Russia's government procurement website zakupki.gov.ru has been one of the major sources of leaks on Russia's military space program and it is actually quite surprising that such legislation hasn't been introduced earlier. Earlier this year a Duma representative (Vladimir Gutenev)  had already proposed legislation that would prohibit the release of procurement documentation on military projects in general. He complained that Russia is playing what he literally called "information striptease". 
 
While this is an understandable move from the Russian perspective, it doesn't bode well for future analysis of Russia's military space program, which will pretty much be reduced to the same level as that of the American military space program, namely making educated guesses based on orbital parameters. Having said that, enough information has leaked out on Russian military space projects in recent years to give us a fairly good idea of the kind of projects that are currently in the pipeline. 

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https://www.rbc.ru/business/10/07/2019/5d25f06e9a794704957b876f

Roscosmos has proposed legislation that would ban the release of procurement documentation related to Russia's space program. It is hoped the legislation will go into effect next December. The following reasons are given:

- to prevent the access of third persons to information on purchases by organizations in the rocket and space sector
- to increase information security in the space sector
- to prevent foreign states and groups of foreign states from imposing sanctions on organizations in the rocket and space industry

Russia's government procurement website zakupki.gov.ru has been one of the major sources of leaks on Russia's military space program and it is actually quite surprising that such legislation hasn't been introduced earlier. Earlier this year a Duma representative (Vladimir Gutenev)  had already proposed legislation that would prohibit the release of procurement documentation on military projects in general. He complained that Russia is playing what he literally called "information striptease". 
 
While this is an understandable move from the Russian perspective, it doesn't bode well for future analysis of Russia's military space program, which will pretty much be reduced to the same level as that of the American military space program, namely making educated guesses based on orbital parameters. Having said that, enough information has leaked out on Russian military space projects in recent years to give us a fairly good idea of the kind of projects that are currently in the pipeline.

I am amazed that Russia hasn’t done this before now. That such projects aren’t treated like SAPs in the US.

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https://tass.com/science/1070541

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Russian space agency to initiate talks on banning anti-satellite weapon tests

KOROLYOV /Moscow Region/, July 26. /TASS/. Russia’s State Space Corporation Roscosmos plans to initiate international negotiations on banning full-scale tests of anti-satellite weapons, Roscosmos Chief Dmitry Rogozin said on Friday.

"Roscosmos plans to initiate international negotiations with the aim of banning full-scale anti-satellite weapon tests held by way of destroying spacecraft and littering low orbits," Rogozin said at the Central Research Institute of Machine-Building (TsNIImash, Roscosmos’s leading research organization).

The Roscosmos chief said he was concerned over these tests as satellite fragments "may destroy the station."

India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi in a televised address to the nation on March 27 said the country’s military had successfully tested its own anti-satellite weapon to hit a satellite in a low near-Earth orbit.

Modi said that after that test India entered the group of space superpowers to take a place next to the United States, Russia and China. The weapon was developed by India’s Defense Research and Development Organization. The interceptor missile was launched from a test site on the Abdul Kalam Island in the Bay of Bengal off the east coast of the State of Odisha. India used its own satellite as a target.

Senior Assistant to the section chief at Russia’s Space Situation Reconnaissance Center Roman Fattakhov later said that India’s anti-satellite weapon test had caused the space apparatus’s destruction and produced more than 100 fragments that might endanger the International Space Station.

So the country that seems to be most actively working on ASAT systems (ground-based, air-based and space-based) is now proposing to ban full-scale tests of such weapons. This brings back memories of the unilateral moratorium on ASAT tests announced by Soviet leader Yuri Andropov in 1983, which came at a time when the Soviet Union was the only country to have an operational ASAT system (the co-orbital IS system), which remained on stand-by at Baikonur and could have been activated at any time if the need had arisen. Also, the moratorium didn't stop the Soviet Union from continuing work on a plethora of other ASAT systems in the 1980s, mainly in response to SDI.  Similarly, any international ban on ASAT tests is unlikely to stop Russia from continuing the development of such systems. In light of what is known about Russia's current ASAT work, Rogozin's statement sounds kind of hypocritical. 

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https://www.rbc.ru/business/10/07/2019/5d25f06e9a794704957b876f

Roscosmos has proposed legislation that would ban the release of procurement documentation related to Russia's space program. It is hoped the legislation will go into effect next December. The following reasons are given:

- to prevent the access of third persons to information on purchases by organizations in the rocket and space sector
- to increase information security in the space sector
- to prevent foreign states and groups of foreign states from imposing sanctions on organizations in the rocket and space industry

Russia's government procurement website zakupki.gov.ru has been one of the major sources of leaks on Russia's military space program and it is actually quite surprising that such legislation hasn't been introduced earlier. Earlier this year a Duma representative (Vladimir Gutenev)  had already proposed legislation that would prohibit the release of procurement documentation on military projects in general. He complained that Russia is playing what he literally called "information striptease". 
 
While this is an understandable move from the Russian perspective, it doesn't bode well for future analysis of Russia's military space program, which will pretty much be reduced to the same level as that of the American military space program, namely making educated guesses based on orbital parameters. Having said that, enough information has leaked out on Russian military space projects in recent years to give us a fairly good idea of the kind of projects that are currently in the pipeline. 

One example of reduced information:-
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?regNumber=31908215394
This is a tender for insurance covering the transportation of items from Progress to the launch sites. It does not include a list of what is actually being transported.

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Had an accident with my computer and lost some data…

Have I missed any GRAU codes from this list?

Гарпун        14Ф136                  14К155          
Радуга-1М     17Ф15М                  14К156          
Радуга-1М     17Ф15М                  14К156          
Янтарь-4К2М   11Ф695М                 14К157          
Персона       14Ф137          14К031                  
Лотос-С       14Ф138  14Ф145          14К159          
Пион-НКС      14Ф139                  14К160          
              14Ф140                                  
Лабиринт      14Ф141  14Ф144  14К034                  
Тундра        14Ф142          14К032                  
ГЛОНАСС-К     14Ф143                                  
Орэст                         14К040                  
              14Ф147                                  
Барс-М        14Ф148          14К035                  
Благовест     14Ф149                  14К166          
Нивелир       14Ф150                  14К167          
Буревестник                           14К168          
Сфера         14Ф151  14Ф152  14К044  14К169          
              14Ф153                                  
              14Ф154                                  
Аракс-Р       14Ф155          14К038                  
Раздан        14Ф156          14К046                  
ГЛОНАСС-К2    14Ф160                                  
              14Ф166                                  
              14Ф167          14К047                  
Репей                         14К048  14К178  14К179  
                                      14К177          
                              14К036                  
Нейтрон       14Ф01                   14К171          
Экипаж        14Ф350                                  


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As I side-note, I heard many years ago that some Zenit 2 or 4 reconnaissance satellites used refurbished capsules, some used for repeated flights. Does someone have any confirmation about this?

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https://tass.ru/kosmos/7438363

According to Dmitri Rogozin, one of the reasons that Russia has not been able to stick to its original 2019 launch schedule is that the launch of several military satellites had to be delayed because of US-imposed sanctions on the delivery of radiation-hardened electronic components. "This has nothing to do with Roscosmos", he said, "because within Roscosmos there are no organizations that produce electronic components. These belong to other state corporations or are private companies."

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/7434275

According to Yuri Borisov, the Deputy Prime Minister overseeing the defense industry, the numerous delays in Russia's military space program were also high on the agenda of a meeting chaired by Putin early this month in Sochi. Putin did note progress in the development of Russia's space-based early warning network and military communications satellites, but at the same time ordered Borisov to set up a commission that is to investigate the delays and suggest ways of getting the program back on track. The commission is due to report to Putin by January 20.


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As I side-note, I heard many years ago that some Zenit 2 or 4 reconnaissance satellites used refurbished capsules, some used for repeated flights. Does someone have any confirmation about this?
- yes, I heard this too - about Zenit-2.
The best place to look  for Zenit-2 details is
https://www.kik-sssr.ru/Hist_3_Zenit-2.htm
- it has full list of all Zenit-2 launches with comments.

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A few interesting things from an interview with the commander of Russia's Aerospace Forces Sergei Surovikin (published on 3 July in the army newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda):

http://redstar.ru/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/071-03-07-2020.pdf
(p. 1, 4, 5)

- the constellation of EKS early warning satellites is expected to be completed by 2024
- the testing phase of the Blagovest military comsat project is scheduled to be completed this September
- deployment of the third-generation Unified Satellite Communications System (ESSS-3) is planned to begin in 2022 (although not mentioned by Surovikin, this probably involves the Sfera-V satellites in highly elliptical orbits and the Sfera-S satellites in geostationary orbit)
- deployment of a "high-orbit space reconnaissance system" is expected to begin in 2022 2023 (this has not been mentioned elsewhere and its exact purpose is unclear)
- a unified ground control system for military satellites is under development (called Topaz)
- the S-500 ("Prometey") anti-ballistic missile system will have the capability of destroying satellites in low Earth orbit

Correction to the post: deployment of the "high-orbit space reconnaissance system" is expected to begin in 2023 (not 2022).
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- the constellation of EKS early warning satellites is expected to be completed by 2024


The first two EKS satellites were launched in 2015 and 2017 respectively. How much life they would have left in them by 2024?

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- the constellation of EKS early warning satellites is expected to be completed by 2024


The first two EKS satellites were launched in 2015 and 2017 respectively. How much life they would have left in them by 2024?

Hard to say. A Russian official said several years ago that the complete constellation would consist of 10 satellites. That would require them to launch six more satellites over the next three to four years. That goal may be too ambitious even without the possible need to replace aging satellites already in orbit.

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An article on the status of Russia's optical reconnaissance satellite program in this week's edition of "The Space Review":

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4006/1

Largely a summary of what I've written here in the Razdan, Kosmos-2525/EMKA and Razbeg threads.

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An article on the status of Russia's signals intelligence satellites (Liana (consisting of Lotos and Pion), Akvarel, Repei) in this week's edition of The Space Review.

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4154/1

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About a month ago, Russian media reported that the Ministry of Defense had filed a record 2.4 billion ruble (roughy $32 million) lawsuit against the Progress Rocket and Space Center.
See, for instance, here:
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4937477
According to the article, this is the latest of 11 lawsuits filed by the Ministry of Defense against RKTs Progress since 2014. The previous record was 2.1 billion rubles.

During a visit to RKTs Progress on 20 August, Dmitri Rogozin cleared RKTs Progress of any blame in the case, saying it had fallen victim to delays in the delivery of microelectronic parts as a result of the Western sanctions. He said Russian legislation in this area is too strict, forcing organizations such as the Ministry of Defense and Roscosmos to file lawsuits against contractors even if they deliver satellites, say, two or three days later than planned.
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/785651

The Russian reports on the lawsuit said that it could not be determined from the available online court documentation to which project it is related, with some of them merely summing up the military satellite projects that RKTs Progress is involved in (Bars-M, Razdan, buses of the Lotos-S satellites). Actually, it is perfectly possible to identify the project:
https://kad.arbitr.ru/Document/Pdf/e911bc4a-2d32-443f-8dec-3592bb2eb52c/1b297fb3-d7ae-4e35-9463-95283bace127/A40-167823-2021_20210812_Opredelenie.pdf?isAddStamp=True

This document refers to government contract nr. 1420187312071020128000730 of 27 August 2014. As can be established from numerous other sources, this is the contract that the Ministry of Defense awarded to RKTs Progress for the production of four Bars-M (14F148) digital topographic satellites (nrs. 3, 4, 5 and 6). See, for instance, this court document:

https://sudact.ru/regular/doc/82NKpJry2V5s/

The delays in this project are significant. According to the document, the 2014 contract called for the delivery of satellites nr. 3 and 4 before 25 November 2017 and satellites nr. 5 and 6 before 25 November 2020. None of them have been launched yet. The first two Bars-M satellites (Kosmos-2503 and 2515) were launched in February 2015 and March 2016 and may be in need of replacement in the not too distant future. All this is yet another sign of the serious impact that the sanctions are having on Russia's military space program.

The Interfax report mentioned above also referred to another Ministry of Defense lawsuit against RKTs Progress (this one for 774 million rubles), saying only it is related to "the government contract of 26 September 2016". Again, it is relatively easy to find out that this is the one signed for the Razdan reconnaissance satellites.



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