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What do you think will be the decision on Shuttle Extension?

No, end in 2010
10 (5.8%)
Yes, but only to 2011
77 (45%)
Yes, to 2012
47 (27.5%)
Yes, to beyond 2012 (2014/15)
30 (17.5%)
Don't know
7 (4.1%)

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Author Topic: Poll: Augustine Fallout - Poll 2 - Will the Shuttle Program be extended?  (Read 16627 times)

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 Mark Matthews, writing on Nov 4, 2009 for the Orlando Sentinel "Write Stuff" blog, posted a piece titled, Posey revives campaign to keep shuttle flying  http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/2009/11/posey-revives-campaign-to-keep-shuttle-flying-.html.

Matthews says U.S. Rep. Bill Posey, R-Rockledge, wrote to congressional appropriators suggesting preserving the option of flying the space shuttle beyond 2011.

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“Time is of the essence as with each passing day we further debilitate the chain of production that keeps the finest human-rated heavy lift vehicle on earth flying until a successor to the Shuttle comes online,” wrote Posey in letters dated Monday. [...]

In his letters, Posey also looked to pre-empt safety concerns about more shuttle flights. The team that investigated the Columbia accident said NASA should not fly the shuttle beyond 2010 unless it recertified the aging spacecraft. It is expected to be an expensive undertaking.

“However, the highly skilled men and women who keep the Shuttle flying safely are required to perform such safety certifications each time the Shuttle flies. A full recertification could be readily accomplished by the workforce,” Posey wrote.

So the 2012 (bounding case 1) option still has some support in Congress.  Paying for this would almost certainly extend the duration of the gap, but it would delay the start of the gap.  If you're going to stand for re-election in 2010 and hope to do so again in 2012, that delay might be a big motivation.
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I'm sure this has been posted/talked about before...
I can't do copy & paste, but trust me, it's worth the short trip.

Check out this site:
www.senate.gov
Go to legislation & records
type in NASA in the keyword search term for legislation

Click on the first bill to show up (#1) which is American Space Access Act [H.R. 1962.IH].

It's a REALLY GOOD read  :)

It's currently at the subcommittee level. It might be amended or dismissed, but it shows that at least they know the issues.
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I disagree, robertross. It extends the Shuttle (which I oppose) and provides no funding for the extension.
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I disagree, robertross. It extends the Shuttle (which I oppose) and provides no funding for the extension.


I don't understand what you are disagreeing with. I said it was a good read.
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Affirm, Robertross. Good read indeed. Khallow, it states right at the top of the bill, :

To authorize the Space Shuttle to be flown from 2010 through 2015, and to authorize appropriations for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration for this purpose.
« Last Edit: 11/12/2009 12:20 PM by Warloc Alcott »

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Click on the first bill to show up (#1) which is American Space Access Act [H.R. 1962.IH].

It's a REALLY GOOD read  :)

It's currently at the subcommittee level. It might be amended or dismissed, but it shows that at least they know the issues.

1) Is it common in US laws to first have a long list of more or less political justifications (section 2) before coming to the point of action (section 3)?

2) 2015 probably will come first.

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1) Is it common in US laws to first have a long list of more or less political justifications (section 2) before coming to the point of action (section 3)?

Doncha know?   It's all to do with the "CYA Culture" which we have systematically cultivated at every level of society here in the West.

And we are all responsible for allowing it to prosper and dominate, the way it does.

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Certification of what? 



Well for starters,
1. TPS tiles (production line & supplier cancelled, recent)
2. Tires (known issue for a while)


That is not certification.  That is logistics supply chain, all of which are recoverable.  I have no idea what you mean by tires.

here:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=16002.msg371314#msg371314

Well, I said 'fall apart'. That  is not to say it couldn't be put back together, far from it, but the time & expense to do that would be questionable.

Ok, I guess you know best.  Thank you.
« Last Edit: 11/12/2009 01:42 PM by OV-106 »
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here:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=16002.msg371314#msg371314

Well, I said 'fall apart'. That  is not to say it couldn't be put back together, far from it, but the time & expense to do that would be questionable.

Ok, I guess you know best.  Thank you.

Why do I get the feeling I was just snubbed??

What part do you think I am mis-representing? I'm just posting what I have read here. Do you honestly believe that after, say 3 months, NASA can have the shuttle ready to fly at a moment's notice?? If you think that is skeptical, then please weigh-in on an appropriate timeframe.

Of course much of it hinges on the time of invocation of RTF. If they gave the go-ahead tomorrow, I'm sure it would be much different than 6 months from now, or a year from now. This is all fluid based on cancellation of contracts and termination of key positions.

SO far, they seem to be on track to have it all dismantled in a fairly dilagent manner. Not that I can fault them, they are simply doing what was asked of them without providing the necessary direction or funds to keep the capability in a robust manner.

edit for spelling
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With all the items on President Obama's plate, like Health Care, Afghanistan, and jobs, when will he make a decision on how NASA should proceed.

The longer it takes Mr. Obama to make a decision, the more shuttle infrastructure will be lost and Ares I will continue to proceed as if nothing has changed from the original plan.

This obviously will be money spent that may not have been spent on a particular item if Mr. Obama makes a decision sooner than later.

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With all the items on President Obama's plate, like Health Care, Afghanistan, and jobs, when will he make a decision on how NASA should proceed.

The longer it takes Mr. Obama to make a decision, the more shuttle infrastructure will be lost and Ares I will continue to proceed as if nothing has changed from the original plan.

This obviously will be money spent that may not have been spent on a particular item if Mr. Obama makes a decision sooner than later.

One look at the disaster in New Orleans shows that it really doesn't matter...in the government, all things are handled in 'due process'.

If it costs twice as much to get shuttle back after a certain point, it really doesn't seem to matter to government; they'll just de-fund something else if they need to.
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I just wanted to ask. All augustine scenarios see the shuttle retiring in 2011, is 2010 still a possibility??

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There is one scenario with 2015. 2010 is still a possibility, and judging by the 2009 flight rate (5), two missions early next year, one in May and the other two in the summer, it looks very possible too. With some margin.

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