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Offline Mike Jones

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #2200 on: 09/26/2017 06:32 am »
Which company is supposed to build mu Space GEO satellites ? I am not aware that they ordered any sats yet. In fact, it is highly doubtful that they raised enough money to buy both a satellite and a launch on New Glenn after 1 month of official existence. Good PR though.

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #2201 on: 09/26/2017 06:38 am »
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mu Space partners with Blue Origin to launch geostationary satellite
September 26, 2017

BANGKOK (mu Space PR) — mu Space Corp today announced at the 68th Annual International Astronautical Congress that they have entered into an agreement with Blue Origin to partner on a future launch of a geostationary satellite aboard their New Glenn orbital rocket. The launch is set to happen early in the next decade.

Commenting on the new partnership, mu Space CEO James Yenbamroong says, “We’ve decided to go with Blue Origin because we’re impressed with the company’s vision and engineering approach.”

In September last year, Blue Origin announced publicly the plan to build New Glenn, its orbital launch vehicle that will carry people and payloads to low-Earth orbit destinations and beyond. Named after the first American astronaut to orbit the Earth, John Glenn, the launch vehicle is designed to be reusable which enables lower cost access to space for Blue Origin’s customers.

“We look forward to launching mu Space on New Glenn to serve the people of Thailand and to be a part of expanding mu Space’s imprint on the Asia Pacific region,” says Robert Meyerson, Blue Origin’s President.

The company is working to support the growing demand in Asia-Pacific for broadband, mobile, broadcasting and smart city services using space based solutions.

According to mu Space’s long term plan, the company will launch its own geostationary orbit satellite in 2021. It also plans to become the first company to offer space tourism in Asia.

“mu Space also shares Blue Origin’s vision of developing space technologies that will accelerate the adoption of innovative technologies,” James added. “We want to deliver equitable access to communication services for all and improve quality of life on Earth.”

The agreement marks the first-time Blue Origin has partnered with an Asian launch customer.

https://www.muspacecorp.com/news/mu-space-partners-blue-origin-launch-geostationary-satellite/
« Last Edit: 09/26/2017 06:50 am by FutureSpaceTourist »

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #2202 on: 09/26/2017 06:56 am »
1 month old company to do satellites AND space tourism... OK then.

... Blue is reaching for news with that one.
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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #2203 on: 09/26/2017 08:17 am »
1 month old company to do satellites AND space tourism... OK then.

... Blue is reaching for news with that one.
Their space tourism may just be to act as middleman in Asia for Blue.
« Last Edit: 09/26/2017 08:17 am by TrevorMonty »

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #2204 on: 09/26/2017 08:21 am »
1 month old company to do satellites AND space tourism... OK then.

... Blue is reaching for news with that one.

Why is Blue partnering with such a young company? That seems like a desperate move. All the best for mu space corp of course and I hope they are successful in their mission. But this company can hardly be regarded as a boastworthy customer for Blue. What is going on here?

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #2205 on: 09/26/2017 09:53 am »
1 month old company to do satellites AND space tourism... OK then.

... Blue is reaching for news with that one.

Why is Blue partnering with such a young company? That seems like a desperate move. All the best for mu space corp of course and I hope they are successful in their mission. But this company can hardly be regarded as a boastworthy customer for Blue. What is going on here?

Not sure... but the presentation was by Robert Meyerson, Blue's President, and mu space's CEO was there and even up on stage as well so they're serious.
« Last Edit: 09/26/2017 09:57 am by Rocket Surgeon »

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #2206 on: 09/26/2017 03:20 pm »
Is it just Mu saying they aspire to have a hand in space tourism, or is Blue involved with this? The quotes above say Blue will launch a sat for Mu, and that Mu is interested in space tourism, but not that Blue and Mu are teaming up on tourism, correct?

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #2207 on: 09/26/2017 04:39 pm »
 Here be the SN article with the relevant quotage.

Blue Origin signs up third customer for New Glenn

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“We have entered into an agreement with mu Space on a future launch of a geostationary satellite aboard New Glenn early in the next decade,” Meyerson said. “We look forward to launching mu Space to serve the people of Thailand and the Asia-Pacific region.”

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“We’ve decided to go with Blue Origin because we’re impressed with the company’s vision and engineering approach,” said James Yenbamroong, chief executive of mu Space, in a statement. “We want to deliver equitable access to communication services for all and improve quality of life on Earth.”

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“The response to New Glenn has been phenomenal,” said Meyerson. He reiterated plans announced earlier this month that, based on customer feedback, the company would move directly to a payload fairing 7 meters in diameter, skipping an interim 5.4-meter fairing.

http://spacenews.com/blue-origin-signs-up-third-customer-for-new-glenn/

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #2208 on: 09/26/2017 05:25 pm »
Thanks, Star One. the previous post[1] had most of that but not the "the response ... has been phenomenal" boasty part.

1 - https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=10685.msg1726912#msg1726912
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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #2210 on: 09/26/2017 10:07 pm »
Congrats to Blue for another order. 
Looks like there is another viable competitor in the commercial sector!

Starting to build New Glenn in the new year is hopeful, too.
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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #2211 on: 09/27/2017 04:24 am »
Don't count your manifest before you make it to orbit the first time.

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #2212 on: 09/27/2017 12:21 pm »
Don't count your manifest before you make it to orbit the first time.
True, but there has definitely been a change in attitude.  A lot of folks assumed SpaceX would fail, as space was too technically unforgiving for a startup.  Now most are thinking BO will succeed.  And they are not even counting out RocketLab, a much smaller private startup.  Now we are arguing about economics, not possibility - that's a big improvement.

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #2213 on: 09/27/2017 07:09 pm »
Don't count your manifest before you make it to orbit the first time.
True, but there has definitely been a change in attitude.
(Presents too tempting a target - must resist.  Oh well, resistance is futile, this time.)

More significant is the change in altitude, not attitude, this time.

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A lot of folks assumed SpaceX would fail, as space was too technically unforgiving for a startup.
They did/have failed (a lot!). Have by many been unforgiven, still. 

It all comes down to payloads on orbit. Not what "lot of folks think". True most of all for ULA.

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Now most are thinking BO will succeed.  And they are not even counting out RocketLab, a much smaller private startup.  Now we are arguing about economics, not possibility - that's a big improvement.
Understand.

Suggest a different read. That many "threaten" to become LV providers. In such an environment, some might.

Once they actually succeed at launch, they have the chance to perfect the skills to let them "build out" into a launch provider, serving some portion of the then launch market.

As to arguing about economics vs possibility - that's yet to come. As you see with Antares, it's a hard fought battle that stretches a decade or more. SX is still wrestling with economics - with both examples here the early launch failures cause things to stretch out considerably.

Merlin, NK-33, RD-181 ... made it to/through the test stand (with notable failures). You can't wish that obstacle away. Even after that, first flight challenges weren't insignificant. When is a LV "developed enough", such that it provides a reasonable expectation of use (Ed Kyle does this with the entire F9 flight run to get Proton-like expectation of use, while others view as separate vehicles and get different).

And, we have still a lot of "manifest hoppers".

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #2214 on: 09/28/2017 03:45 pm »
1 month old company to do satellites AND space tourism... OK then.

... Blue is reaching for news with that one.

Why is Blue partnering with such a young company? That seems like a desperate move. All the best for mu space corp of course and I hope they are successful in their mission. But this company can hardly be regarded as a boastworthy customer for Blue. What is going on here?

"Partner" is most likely just a marketing word for "customer".  Nothing to read into more than that - Blue needs to continue to market themselves as a legitimate launch service provider, and Mu space needs to demonstrate that they have a contract to launch. They both benefit from saying "hey everyone we are going to space".

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #2215 on: 09/28/2017 05:29 pm »
Don't count your manifest before you make it to orbit the first time.
True, but there has definitely been a change in attitude.  A lot of folks assumed SpaceX would fail, as space was too technically unforgiving for a startup.  Now most are thinking BO will succeed.  And they are not even counting out RocketLab, a much smaller private startup.  Now we are arguing about economics, not possibility - that's a big improvement.

Definitely a change in attitude. Blue is benefiting from fast follower. SpaceX blunted a lot of the skepticism by delivering payloads... (it's still out there, despite SpaceX haveing lifted 30% of the total mass off planet so far this year with reusable first stages and a bit more with expendables). Blue benefits, basically for freeeeeeee. Bezos is smart that way.
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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #2216 on: 09/28/2017 07:13 pm »
Don't count your manifest before you make it to orbit the first time.
True, but there has definitely been a change in attitude.  A lot of folks assumed SpaceX would fail, as space was too technically unforgiving for a startup.  Now most are thinking BO will succeed.  And they are not even counting out RocketLab, a much smaller private startup.  Now we are arguing about economics, not possibility - that's a big improvement.

Definitely a change in attitude. Blue is benefiting from fast follower. SpaceX blunted a lot of the skepticism by delivering payloads... (it's still out there, despite SpaceX haveing lifted 30% of the total mass off planet so far this year with reusable first stages and a bit more with expendables). Blue benefits, basically for freeeeeeee. Bezos is smart that way.

But Blue started first, can you really call them a "follower," fast or otherwise?

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #2217 on: 09/28/2017 07:17 pm »
But Blue started first, can you really call them a "follower," fast or otherwise?

Blue was founded earlier. But as SpaceX has done orbital and first stage reuse first, Blue is the follower.

Edit: You can dispute the "fast" part of fast follower.
« Last Edit: 09/28/2017 07:17 pm by guckyfan »

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #2218 on: 09/28/2017 07:37 pm »
But Blue started first, can you really call them a "follower," fast or otherwise?

Blue was founded earlier. But as SpaceX has done orbital and first stage reuse first, Blue is the follower.

Edit: You can dispute the "fast" part of fast follower.

Just replace the "fast" with "first" and its correct.

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #2219 on: 09/28/2017 09:54 pm »
fast for space... maybe not fast for new phone app development.
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