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Lol, geez, whatever happened to movies being used for entertainment instead of being hacked apart to point out technical inaccuracies (sp?)? Cmon people it's not called the "Transformers Documentary - based on a true story". With my job I learned to watch movies for the entertainment value. Otherwise I'd never be able to enjoy a space/NASA-containing movie ever again. Say what you want, I still like Armageddon, lol
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So you wouldn't be offended if there was a scene where Megatron and Co. laid waste to Launch Complex 39, padrat? ;D

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Lol, geez, whatever happened to movies being used for entertainment instead of being hacked apart to point out technical inaccuracies (sp?)?

The transformers movies fail even as entertainment. Maybe if the action was decent and over half the time wasn't spent following the annoying human characters, they would have had something redeeming about them.
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Lol, geez, whatever happened to movies being used for entertainment instead of being hacked apart to point out technical inaccuracies (sp?)? Cmon people it's not called the "Transformers Documentary - based on a true story". With my job I learned to watch movies for the entertainment value. Otherwise I'd never be able to enjoy a space/NASA-containing movie ever again. Say what you want, I still like Armageddon, lol

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Say what you want, I still like Armageddon, lol


And so you should! That was NASA porn. All over the place with the technical elements, but still miles superior to that badly scripted blue people nonsense.
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Say what you want, I still like Armageddon, lol


And so you should! That was NASA porn. All over the place with the technical elements, but still miles superior to that badly scripted blue people nonsense.

Avatar was the best film ever made. Look at the box office numbers!

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Say what you want, I still like Armageddon, lol


And so you should! That was NASA porn. All over the place with the technical elements, but still miles superior to that badly scripted blue people nonsense.

Avatar was the best film ever made. Look at the box office numbers!

Yeah, and American Idol is the biggest show on US television, and Cowell's original version (X-Factor - which he'll also be spewing into American homes) is the biggest show on UK television.

How many mugs are going to pay to watch Avatar, again, after they added two minutes of a blue people sex scene? ;D
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So Armaggedon is your favorite film of all time?

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So Armaggedon is your favorite film of all time?

No, that'd probably be "25th Hour".
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If you haven’t already, then you should all watch "Space Cowboys" - it was on the other night here in the UK.

It's very cheesy, but there's some great scenes in it - it was filmed in and around JSC - including Building 9 & The Outpost Tavern! The Shuttle launch/on-orbit/landing scenes aren't bad either, although the on-orbit scenes are fairly technically inaccurate! :)

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So you wouldn't be offended if there was a scene where Megatron and Co. laid waste to Launch Complex 39, padrat? ;D

Hell, why not. I'm already seeing it. Only it's not "Megatron," it's "Met-Con", lol
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Lol, geez, whatever happened to movies being used for entertainment instead of being hacked apart to point out technical inaccuracies (sp?)?

I get the feeling people are mad at Bay for royally botching an important part of their childhoods, possibly part of the reason they're in the space business.


Avatar was the best film ever made. Look at the box office numbers!

Inflation.  I wish they'd quote tickets sold instead of revenue.  These stupid records are bogus.
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Nobody liked Avatar? I actually thought it was a half-way decent movie. And I didn't even see it in 3-d
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Nobody liked Avatar? I actually thought it was a half-way decent movie. And I didn't even see it in 3-d

I enjoyed it, but mainly for the imaginative environment more than the overall plot.

They did a good job of bringing a lot of different sci-fi concepts to life. There were some subtle things like the glowing radiators on the interplanetary ships, and some really cool stuff like the depiction of megafauna on a planet with lower gravity than earth and "natural" carbon fibers leading to extreme strength.

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Lol, geez, whatever happened to movies being used for entertainment instead of being hacked apart to point out technical inaccuracies (sp?)?

I get the feeling people are mad at Bay for royally botching an important part of their childhoods, possibly part of the reason they're in the space business.

That's a reach.  People have hated Bay's films long before Transformers.  And why do you think that anybody went into the space business because of Transformers?  Star Trek, yes, but Transformers?  Wouldn't people obsessed with Transformers go into a more relevant profession like robotics?

Here's a good reason to hate Bay's films:

THEY ARE BLOODY LOUD!

But do you need other reasons?  How about the fact that he doesn't know how to shoot an action scene?  Watch the opening sequence of Transformers 2 and try and figure out which robots are the good guys, which robots are the bad guys, where any of them are going, why they are going where they are going, and why we should care.  You can't.  They all get jumbled up because Bay doesn't care about making it easy to identify the different actors/characters and what they are doing.  He just blows (stuff) up and thinks that this is sufficient.  (For comparison, watch the final chase sequence in Terminator 2 and note that it is easy to keep track of the action and the characters and the story progression.  If you want to get really sophisticated, watch each individual shot and notice how the director places the camera and how he shows the vehicles always moving in specific ways and direction on the screen.  James Cameron knows how to shoot and edit an action sequence, Michael Bay does not--and doesn't care.  See also: Aliens.)

Or how about the fact that Bay regularly has his characters shout at each other?  Watch The Rock, or Bad Boys 2, and notice that shouting matches are what Bay considers "dialogue."

Or how about the fact that Bay doesn't care about even the simplest aspects of story continuity?  Watch Transformers 2 and count the number of Decepticons that dive in the ocean, the number that get killed, and the number that then rise up.  Or notice that the aircraft carrier (CVN-75) that gets sunk earlier in the film is miraculously sailing later in the film (they're supposed to be different ships, but the same number is visible on both).

Or how about the fact that Bay doesn't care about even the obvious plot holes in his movies?  For example, Transformers 2 again--how is it that these giant robots have destroyed a number of city blocks in an American city in the previous movie, and vast swaths of a Chinese city in this movie, and yet somehow the government has kept this all secret?  Or how is it that the Decepticons can create a Hot Slutty Robot, enroll her in college, have her attend frat parties, and have her attempt to seduce a teenage boy, and yet haven't figured out how to simply replace the president with their own robot?  Or how come the Allspark shard kills Megatron in the first movie, but in the second movie it brings Megatron back to life?  And how come Sam doesn't use the shard to bring Optimus back to life?  Does the Allspark shard kill?  Yes.  Does it bring robots back to life?  Yes.  Huh?  HUH?!

Or how about the fact that Bay is very ham-fisted when it comes to trying to make some sort of symbolic point.  Note that in Armageddon, when the military takes over Mission Control during the mission, the way Bay depicts this is by having a row of uniformed officers march into the room. Do Air Force officers march inside buildings?  Or note how late in the movie, after the threat is gone, Bay shows stereotypical shots of people around the world happy and celebrating.  But this is not enough for him, so he actually goes to slow-motion for some of these shots, like the little kids with their toy space shuttle.  It's all very awkward and... dumb.

By many measures, he is a really lousy filmmaker.  And his range extends from action all the way to... action.  He cannot do any other movie than one with very macho characters and lots of explosions.

Sorry, don't mean to rant.  But I really hate Michael Bay.  Have I mentioned that?

And did I mention that he's LOUD?
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So you wouldn't be offended if there was a scene where Megatron and Co. laid waste to Launch Complex 39, padrat? ;D

Hell, why not. I'm already seeing it. Only it's not "Megatron," it's "Met-Con", lol

HAHA...I almost fell off my chair laughing...maybe I should have cried instead?

Maybe they'll use STS-136 to change into a J-246 and help sell the new architecture for NASA :)

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That's a reach.

Meh.  I've read several reviews that claimed same.
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Or how about the fact that Bay regularly has his characters shout at each other?  Watch The Rock, or Con Air, and notice that shouting matches are what Bay considers "dialogue."

Con Air wasn't directed by Bay.  But it's understandable that you think that he did. ;D

Or how about the fact that Bay doesn't care about even the obvious plot holes in his movies?  For example, Transformers 2 again--how is it that these giant robots have destroyed a number of city blocks in an American city in the previous movie, and vast swaths of a Chinese city in this movie, and yet somehow the government has kept this all secret?

You forgot the fact that the city portrayed by Los Angeles in the first Transformers film is called Mission City...but in Transformers 2 it's actually referred to as L.A.  I understand that the screenwriters for TF2 were affected by the Writer's Strike 2 years ago...but a simple mistake like that should've been spotted quickly.

Oh, and you forgot to mention that Bay supposedly treats the actresses in his films poorly.  He supposedly made Kate Beckinsale cry during the filming of Pearl Harbor...and it's clearly obvious Megan Fox left Transformers because Bay objectifed her up the wazoo.

That opening shot of Fox on the motorcyle in TF2?  She supposedly didn't know that Bay was filming her from behind. ;)

PS: In Transformers 3's defense, the plot is gonna revolve around the Space Race in the 60's.  So that should be interesting.
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Or how about the fact that Bay regularly has his characters shout at each other?  Watch The Rock, or Con Air, and notice that shouting matches are what Bay considers "dialogue."

Con Air wasn't directed by Bay.  But it's understandable that you think that he did. ;D

You're right.  But it was loud.  And awful.  And so I assumed it was Bay.

You forgot the fact that the city portrayed by Los Angeles in the first Transformers film is called Mission City...but in Transformers 2 it's actually referred to as L.A.  I understand that the screenwriters for TF2 were affected by the Writer's Strike 2 years ago...but a simple mistake like that should've been spotted quickly.

Watch the underwater scene where the robots dive.  He gets the math wrong.  It's so basic that you cannot miss it.  Obviously he just doesn't care.

Oh, and you forgot to mention that Bay supposedly treats the actresses in his films poorly.  He supposedly made Kate Beckinsale cry during the filming of Pearl Harbor...and it's clearly obvious Megan Fox left Transformers because Bay objectifed her up the wazoo.

That opening shot of Fox on the motorcycle in TF2?  She supposedly didn't know that Bay was filming her from behind. ;)

Oh, it's clear he doesn't like women all that much (well, except as sex objects--he first put her in a bikini on Bad Boys 2 when she was only 16).  But to be honest here, Megan Fox got canned because she is not only untalented, but shot off her mouth about Bay.  Seriously, the woman cannot act and the only reason that anybody knows her name is because Bay put her in those two films.  Now that she's been shown the door, she's doing such wonderful work as Jonah Hex.  In a couple of more years she'll be doing Lifetime Movie Network, and then she'll be a question in Trivial Pursuit.  And when that inevitably happens, we'll know that there is indeed such a thing as karma.

But Bay is a horrible filmmaker.  Did I mention that?

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Watch the underwater scene where the robots dive.  He gets the math wrong.  It's so basic that you cannot miss it.  Obviously he just doesn't care.

Yea, I also noticed that math error onscreen.  What I noticed more is how quickly Megatron got to that alien planet (where Starscream and um, The Fallen were lurking) after being resurrected.  The movie doesn't explain if he was capable of hyperdrive...or even that "space bridge" ability that Jetfire (the Transformer disguised as an SR-71) used later on in the film.

Oh, it's clear he doesn't like women all that much (well, except as sex objects--he first put her in a bikini on Bad Boys 2 when she was only 16).  But to be honest here, Megan Fox got canned because she is not only untalented, but shot off her mouth about Bay.

Yea, calling the director who made you famous "Hitler" isn't the smartest thing to do in the world.

One more bit of tabloid talk: I heard that the actress who replaced Megan Fox in TF3 (Rosie Huntington-Whiteley) wore lingerie to her audition...which is why she won the role.

Back-to-topic: No doubt there'll be photos leaked online when Bayhem starts ensuing on the Space Coast.  I'll post them here...for those of you who care (Bay is still blowing things up in Chicago for the movie as we speak) :)
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