Kidderboots - 9/8/2007 10:09 AMI know this isn't a "Hoax" website but I have a question that I cant seem to get answerd on the web so i thought I'd ask it here.Why are there NO pictures of the American flag on the moon taken from earth??It seems like it would be the obvious way to shut "Moon landing consperacy theory detectives" up.... Why not.... ANYONE?
Kidderboots - 9/8/2007 12:13 PMSomething tells me that is absolutly wrong. the things we do everyday , and we can get a picture of a 6 foot flag on the moon surface....??
Can Hubble see the Apollo landing sites on the Moon?No, Hubble cannot take photos of the Apollo landing sites.An object on the Moon 4 meters (4.37 yards) across, viewed from HST, would be about 0.002 arcsec in size. The highest resolution instrument currently on HST is the Advanced Camera for Surveys at 0.03 arcsec. So anything we left on the Moon cannot be resolved in any HST image. It would just appear as a dot.
Kidderboots - 8/8/2007 11:13 PMSomething tells me that is absolutly wrong. the things we do everyday , and we can get a picture of a 6 foot flag on the moon surface....??
Kidderboots - 9/8/2007 6:38 PMI know I am definlty not a "cover up nut" AT ALL
Chris Bergin - 9/8/2007 7:41 PMQuoteKidderboots - 9/8/2007 6:38 PMI know I am definlty not a "cover up nut" AT ALL The guys posting about know what they are talking about. I'm allowing this to continue - normally we don't give anything to do with such conspiracy theories any publicity - because you're looking for ammunition against hoaxers maybe?Anyone got the link to the badastronomy page which really slaps hoaxers down to size?
rsp1202 - 9/8/2007 12:31 PMAnd we have imaged the lunar module on the surface.
collectSPACE - 9/8/2007 1:43 PMQuotersp1202 - 9/8/2007 12:31 PMAnd we have imaged the lunar module on the surface.I think you are confusing ground based imagery with photos that were taken from lunar orbit, e.g. Apollo 15 Landing Site Spotted in Images, which refers to Clementine data. We have never imaged any of the hardware on the surface from the ground or Earth orbit (nor have we from lunar orbit but as the article describes, we have detected the disturbance to the lunar regolith at one of the landing sites).
Kidderboots - 9/8/2007 1:54 PMJust seems like a joke we cant get a picture of a 6foot TALL (pole) 3 1/2 foot wide flag on the moon. but we can get a picture of solar flares and galaxies billions of light years away...
Kidderboots - 9/8/2007 10:09 AM Why are there NO pictures of the American flag on the moon taken from earth??
Wow... If this were a less-respectable message board, you'd be "flamed" by now... :bleh:
You'd need a ground telescope A BIT larger than the Keck and other telescopes combined to be able to capture an image of a human-size flag on the Moon...
Kidderboots - 9/8/2007 11:54 AMJust seems like a joke we cant get a picture of a 6foot TALL (pole) 3 1/2 foot wide flag on the moon.
collectSPACE - 9/8/2007 10:43 AMI think you are confusing ground based imagery with photos that were taken from lunar orbit . . . We have never imaged any of the hardware on the surface from the ground or Earth orbit . . . we have detected the disturbance to the lunar regolith at one of the landing sites).
rsp1202 - 9/8/2007 1:08 PMThanks. I'm not confused. I was talking about CM photography (Apollo 16 & 17) from lunar orbit. The photos show some soil disturbance and shadow of LM's. I'll send you a copy if you like.
Kidderboots - 9/8/2007 11:07 AMNot tryin to offend anyone! just asking and just curious can someone figure out the distance to size ratio for these objects your feelin so strongly about. and re explain why my question is so obserd that people are threating a flamming?? wow. Thank you for the people who just... answerd the question and didnt take offense.. thanks guys
Kidderboots - 9/8/2007 12:07 PMNot tryin to offend anyone! just asking and just curious can someone figure out the distance to size ratio for these objects your feelin so strongly about. and re explain why my question is so obserd that people are threating a flamming?? wow. Thank you for the people who just... answerd the question and didnt take offense.. thanks guys
Kidderboots - 9/8/2007 2:07 PMNot tryin to offend anyone! just asking and just curious can someone figure out the distance to size ratio for these objects your feelin so strongly about. and re explain why my question is so obserd that people are threating a flamming?? wow. Thank you for the people who just... answerd the question and didnt take offense.. thanks guys
Kidderboots - 8/8/2007 12:07 AMNot tryin to offend anyone! just asking and just curious can someone figure out the distance to size ratio for these objects your feelin so strongly about. and re explain why my question is so obserd that people are threating a flamming?? wow. Thank you for the people who just... answerd the question and didnt take offense.. thanks guys
"The angular resolution will be about 50 cm/pixel (dependent on the final orbit of course). We will definitely be able to spot the LM descent stages and Rovers."
Kidderboots - 9/8/2007 7:09 PMI know this isn't a "Hoax" website but I have a question that I cant seem to get answerd on the web so i thought I'd ask it here.Why are there NO pictures of the American flag on the moon taken from earth??It seems like it would be the obvious way to shut "Moon landing consperacy theory detectives" up.... Why not.... ANYONE?
Kidderboots - 9/8/2007 10:54 AMBelieve me I am not tryin to get fuel for hoaxers or vice versa. I am merly wondering why this simple question is the main focal point of debat for either side. I again believe there is no way a hoax like that is even possible so i'm with you guys. Some people just ask questions with no hidden agenda.I completly believe you guys and from the speed of the repsonses you guys live and breathe this stuff. Just seems like a joke we cant get a picture of a 6foot TALL (pole) 3 1/2 foot wide flag on the moon. but we can get a picture of solar flares and galaxies billions of light years away...you can agree or disagree (and please dont take this personal)
khallow - 10/8/2007 2:00 PMQuoteKidderboots - 9/8/2007 10:54 AMEven if an observer can't afford the 0.7 meter telescope used at McDowell, I think you can pick up the reflection (maybe during a total lunar eclipse or near-new moon would be the best time). Send bright laser pulses at the moon and look for the dim reflections. By measuring the time elapsed you can even figure out how far away the reflections are.It is very difficult to detect the return because of the divergence of the light over the distance. There is a pretty good discussion at http://physics.ucsd.edu/~tmurphy/apollo/basics.html-Tim
Kidderboots - 9/8/2007 10:54 AMEven if an observer can't afford the 0.7 meter telescope used at McDowell, I think you can pick up the reflection (maybe during a total lunar eclipse or near-new moon would be the best time). Send bright laser pulses at the moon and look for the dim reflections. By measuring the time elapsed you can even figure out how far away the reflections are.
anonymous - 11/8/2007 8:29 AMI made these points to a conspiracy theorist and he replied, "Well, how do you know what the Soviets motives really were?" I pointed out that the whole point of the space race was to land a man on the moon first, so if the Soviets knew Apollo was faked they would have said so. He replied "Well, how do you know there wasn't some kind of deal between them?" I pointed out that he was now claiming that the Cold War was faked too, but he wouldn't budge.
Kidderboots - 9/8/2007 7:07 PMNot tryin to offend anyone! just asking and just curious can someone figure out the distance to size ratio for these objects your feelin so strongly about. and re explain why my question is so obserd that people are threating a flamming?? wow. Thank you for the people who just... answerd the question and didnt take offense.. thanks guys
Kidderboots - 9/8/2007 12:54 PMJust seems like a joke we cant get a picture of a 6foot TALL (pole) 3 1/2 foot wide flag on the moon. but we can get a picture of solar flares and galaxies billions of light years away...
Kidderboots - 9/8/2007 12:54 PMBelieve me I am not tryin to get fuel for hoaxers or vice versa. I am merly wondering why this simple question is the main focal point of debat for either side. I again believe there is no way a hoax like that is even possible so i'm with you guys. Some people just ask questions with no hidden agenda.I completly believe you guys and from the speed of the repsonses you guys live and breathe this stuff. Just seems like a joke we cant get a picture of a 6foot TALL (pole) 3 1/2 foot wide flag on the moon. but we can get a picture of solar flares and galaxies billions of light years away...you can agree or disagree (and please dont take this personal)
wingod - 13/8/2007 10:24 PMQuoteKidderboots - 9/8/2007 12:54 PMBelieve me I am not tryin to get fuel for hoaxers or vice versa. I am merly wondering why this simple question is the main focal point of debat for either side. I again believe there is no way a hoax like that is even possible so i'm with you guys. Some people just ask questions with no hidden agenda.I completly believe you guys and from the speed of the repsonses you guys live and breathe this stuff. Just seems like a joke we cant get a picture of a 6foot TALL (pole) 3 1/2 foot wide flag on the moon. but we can get a picture of solar flares and galaxies billions of light years away...you can agree or disagree (and please dont take this personal)Lets see a galaxy is 100 thousand light years across.This is simple college physics. LRO will have the requisite resolution to image the landing sites.
Steve G - 14/8/2007 5:28 AMCan someone please mercy kill this thread?
GB Jeff - 19/8/2007 12:53 PMMy understanding is that the flag itself would be completely gone by now. Wiped out through deterioration by micro particles in space. Am I wrong?
GB Jeff - 19/8/2007 7:53 AMMy understanding is that the flag itself would be completely gone by now. Wiped out through deterioration by micro particles in space. Am I wrong?
SpaceNutz SA - 19/8/2007 12:11 PMWhy is this argument about the flag? There are much bigger things that were left on the moon than a flagpole - why choose one of the smallest things to argue about?
dwmzmm - 19/8/2007 2:50 PMQuoteSpaceNutz SA - 19/8/2007 12:11 PMWhy is this argument about the flag? There are much bigger things that were left on the moon than a flagpole - why choose one of the smallest things to argue about?That's what I was saying in my earlier post in this thread; the laser reflectors still exists and canbe seen even today. Also, didn't one of the Apollo missions (Apollo - 15, I think) Command Module photograph the Lunar Module at Hadley Base from orbit? I recall seeing a photo somewhere an image of the descent stage clearly visible (looks like a black, four legged spider)on the surface, apparently after the Ascent Stage had already left. Maybe someone here knows what I'm talking about and has a link to that image.