This news report is not going to lead anywhere. Even if NASA brass spoke about this, Congress is not going to fund a project that requires Russian cooperation under the current climate.
Quote from: SLC17A5 on 01/22/2016 04:15 pmThe West is not interested in new joint space projects. Russia has nothing to offer in terms of money, rocketry, or spacecraft.Without Russian rockets and spacecraft there would be no Western HSF for last 5 years or the next two. The ISS would long since reentered and burnt up.
The West is not interested in new joint space projects. Russia has nothing to offer in terms of money, rocketry, or spacecraft.
Most US launches are on reliable Russian engines.
And the only catastrophic US launch failure in many years - Antares - was on a Russian engine too.
Такое мнение высказал заместитель руководителя Роскосмоса Сергей Савельев. Президент США поставил перед НАСА задачу организовать экспедицию к астероиду, а в 2030 году - к Марсу.ВАШИНГТОН, 20 апр – РИА Новости. Россия считает, что перспектива полета к Марсу более отдаленная, чем свидетельствуют прогнозы США, которые надеются совершить пилотируемый полет к планете в 2030-х годах, заявил заместитель руководителя Роскосмоса Сергей Савельев."Мы считаем, что перспектива полета к Марсу более дальняя, нежели чем это формулируют американские партнеры", — сказал Савельев по итогам состоявшихся в Вашингтоне переговоров по сотрудничеству двух стран в космосе.Президент Обама в 2010 году поставил перед НАСА задачу организовать экспедицию к астероиду, а в 2030 году — к Марсу, новый план отменил сформулированную ранее Джорджем Бушем ориентируемую на Луну программу Constellation ("Созвездие"), по которой до 2020 года американские астронавты должны были высадиться на Луну."Конечно, нас приглашают к этой работе, но здесь, насколько я понимаю, нет консолидированного мнения у других международных партнеров, в том числе европейских", — отметил Савельев, комментируя взаимодействие двух стран по марсианской программе.Ранее сообщалось, что США надеются осуществить первую пилотируемую миссию на Марс в середине 30-х годов нынешнего столетия.
While current discussions center on a future orbiting cislunar station, my belief is that next year we will change course and negotiate building & supporting an international lunar surface scientific outpost.SLS & Orion need an affordable destination. The moon is cheaper than Mars. From a science collection point of view, the lunar surface is more interesting than another microgravity station (which is farther away and therefore more expensive to support than our existing ISS). In addition, a lunar surface station provides opportunities for ISRU and commercial opportunities.
Can anyone explain the value of DRO for an orbital outpost or otherwise?
Quote from: AncientU on 01/23/2016 04:50 pmCan anyone explain the value of DRO for an orbital outpost or otherwise?http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2013/Johnson_Kirstyn/finalorbit.html"The most appealing aspect of a DRO is its stability...."
Well .... hypothetically, if Russia and China had a launcher more powerful than Proton, then they could useful things for a habitat in high Lunar orbit. Let's say that Russia could launch a Progress beyond LEO on some sort of Angara, if that Progress could dock with the habitat, that would certainly be useful.What would be needed would be an international standard docking system plus rendezvous aids.Could that be arranged in some sort of context where the usual BS in Russian supplying hardware for an international project be mitigated? Don't know. Let's say that Russia was to provide the base module (a small one) and NASA some sort of BEAM derivative and China a power module, how could the usual delays be mitigated? Or China could provide a Tiangong class base module and Russia could provide resupply.
Quote from: Danderman on 01/23/2016 08:30 pmThis news report is not going to lead anywhere. Even if NASA brass spoke about this, Congress is not going to fund a project that requires Russian cooperation under the current climate.Have to agree, especially considering the Russian engine ban is still being debated.We'll probably see some form of a Lunar space station, likely the DSH with some international help. However we're more likely to see commercial (i.e. Bigelow most likely) modules versus anything from Russia. International cooperation would be nice but I see it more as a way of gaining political versus actual technical support.