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Offline CentEur

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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #20 on: 07/22/2007 07:49 am »
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Who is funding this? ESA or EADS?

ESA

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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #21 on: 07/22/2007 04:03 pm »
What do ESA want to do with this lifting body?

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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #22 on: 07/22/2007 04:14 pm »
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What do ESA want to do with this lifting body?

That's a good question - is ESA just wanting a LEO 'shuttle' for itself apart from NASA? If not, what do they hope to accomplish if their craft (like the U.S. Shuttle) is limited to LEO?

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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #23 on: 07/22/2007 04:57 pm »
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Andy L - 22/7/2007  6:03 PM

What do ESA want to do with this lifting body?

To gather experience. There's very little reentry experience in Europe, all about conical capsule (named ARD). None with lifting body.

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That's a good question - is ESA just wanting a LEO 'shuttle' for itself apart from NASA? If not, what do they hope to accomplish if their craft (like the U.S. Shuttle) is limited to LEO?

European countries keep preparing (in slow motion) for Ariane 5 replacement, around 2020. Germans have already flown their Phoenix, Italians their USV (Castore). Now they all united with the French around IXV. All af them seem to be convinced the Ariane 5 replacement shall be reusable.

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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #24 on: 07/22/2007 08:10 pm »
Ariane is a booster/launcher. Any kind of manned capsule/spaceplane is its payload.
WTF does the payload have to do with some sort of 'replacement' of the Ariane system itself?

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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #25 on: 07/22/2007 09:39 pm »
Second stage retrieval?

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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #26 on: 07/22/2007 10:11 pm »
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Ariane is a booster/launcher. Any kind of manned capsule/spaceplane is its payload.

Actually, I know of a spaceplane which is a launcher at the same time. You must have heard about it too, it's called STS.  :)

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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #27 on: 07/23/2007 07:41 am »
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CentEur - 22/7/2007  6:57 PM
European countries keep preparing (in slow motion) for Ariane 5 replacement, around 2020. Germans have already flown their Phoenix, Italians their USV (Castore). Now they all united with the French around IXV. All af them seem to be convinced the Ariane 5 replacement shall be reusable.
Not really. ELV is still the baseline.

However, Europe has developped know-how in reentry systems for the last 40 years and needs to keep some development rolling to maintain the capacity. RLV studies are a way to prepare for a future when these technologies will be needed. They may help too, on the day when Europe eventually decides to develop manned transportation systems.

Phoenix/Hopper, USV and IXV (former Pre-X) are three different approaches and ESA is trying to put some rationale in it through FLPP. That's all.

Ariane 6 will be expendable. No one seriously questions that beyond a few RLV nuts.
I watch rockets

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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #28 on: 07/23/2007 08:43 am »
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Space Lizard - 23/7/2007  9:41 AM

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CentEur - 22/7/2007  6:57 PM
European countries keep preparing (in slow motion) for Ariane 5 replacement, around 2020. Germans have already flown their Phoenix, Italians their USV (Castore). Now they all united with the French around IXV. All af them seem to be convinced the Ariane 5 replacement shall be reusable.
Not really. ELV is still the baseline.

However, Europe has developped know-how in reentry systems for the last 40 years and needs to keep some development rolling to maintain the capacity. RLV studies are a way to prepare for a future when these technologies will be needed. They may help too, on the day when Europe eventually decides to develop manned transportation systems.

Phoenix/Hopper, USV and IXV (former Pre-X) are three different approaches and ESA is trying to put some rationale in it through FLPP. That's all.

Ariane 6 will be expendable. No one seriously questions that beyond a few RLV nuts.

Reusable and expendable are not mutually exclusive thanks to the idea of staged launch vehicles. That Ariane 5 successor will have some level of reusability is apparent IMO, but I'm not going to argue about a future some 15 years from now. Those reusable toys of today, competing for LLC award may grow mature over such long time, also K-1 is not dead yet. Will there be private US reusable launch vehicle in 5 years is to be seen. The three major European players are certainly preparing for that moment.

And BTW could you share the source about European reentry systems know-how development before ARD?

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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #29 on: 07/23/2007 05:13 pm »
I am not allowed to discuss SLBM/MRBM warhead technologies. ;)
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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #30 on: 08/27/2008 05:55 pm »
"The IXV System Requirement Review was successfully completed. Wind tunnel test campaign started and has already shown promising results on the stability of the IXV in transonic phase."

http://www.esa.int/esapub/bulletin/bulletin135/bul135_pip.pdf (page 64)

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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #31 on: 10/17/2008 12:59 am »
Well it may all be doom and gloom as Europe mulls human launch system...

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=8659.msg323798#msg323798
but at least we have new CGI rocket programs:



http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/081015-tw-future-launcher.html#comments

Some (well one or two) of the comments are worth reading notably [MartianSam's] "biconic" reference required for a Mars re-entry vehicle.
Hmmm.
So here's hoping the economic situation improves by 2012!
Perhaps our Glorious Leader (Gordon Brown) will have coughed up some cash for human spaceflight by then. ROFLMAO
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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #32 on: 10/17/2008 08:34 am »
thats a pretty good video

looks alot like the kipler though

or is it a hermes mrk 2 test?

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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #33 on: 10/17/2008 09:36 am »
More like a tech demonstrator, it shouldn't be seen as a scaled down form of an operational system. In the same was ARD wasn't a scaled down crew capsule.

There may be hope for UK manned spaceflight, the Sci and Enviro minister thinks it is a good idea, Link. So there is someone in government taking our side.

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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #34 on: 06/17/2009 02:46 pm »

Signed agreement for development of IXV

ESA and Thales Alenia Space have established the agreement for the authorisation to proceed with the development of the Intermediate eXperimental Vehicle (IXV) atmospheric reentry demonstrator.

The delivery of the vehicle to ESA is planned to take place by the end of 2012.


http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEM52E3XTVF_index_0.html

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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #35 on: 02/19/2010 09:00 am »

Intermediate eXperimental Vehicle (IXV) update:

On 4 February in Turin, Italy, Thales Alenia Space Italy and its main industrial partners presented to ESA the new Intermediate eXperimental Vehicle (IXV) design baseline, a key milestone in the start of the full development phase of the IXV, due to make its first flight three years from now.

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Launchers_Home/SEMJXL7CS5G_0.html

« Last Edit: 02/20/2010 07:19 am by bolun »

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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #36 on: 09/15/2010 06:43 pm »
New milestone in IXV development
 
15 September 2010

Today, ESA held the first IXV Industrial Workshop. Thales Alenia Space and its main industrial partners presented the detailed design of ESA’s Intermediate eXperimental Vehicle.

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Launchers_Home/SEMOU1KOXDG_0.html

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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #37 on: 06/21/2011 03:16 pm »
ESA reentry vehicle on track for flight in 2013
 
21 June 2011

ESA and Thales Alenia Space Italia announced an agreement today at the Paris Air Show to begin building the IXV Intermediate eXperimental Vehicle for its mission into space in 2013.

Europe’s ambition for a spacecraft to return autonomously from low orbit is a cornerstone for a wide range of space applications, including space transportation, exploration and robotic servicing of space infrastructure.

http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMNE11T1PG_index_0.html

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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #38 on: 06/21/2011 03:31 pm »
Whoops, forgot we already had a thread on this. I moderated myself ;D

Good to see this is still going. Bumped the L2 thread with the mass of documentation on this vehicle.
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Re: Vega to fly ESA experimental reentry vehicle
« Reply #39 on: 06/21/2011 03:41 pm »
Whoops, forgot we already had a thread on this. I moderated myself ;D

Good to see this is still going. Bumped the L2 thread with the mass of documentation on this vehicle.
Damn, and I'd already posted it in the live Le Bourget section!  ;D

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