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Offline Chris Bergin

Bolden: Humans 2 Mars Conference
« on: 05/06/2013 01:09 pm »
General Bolden's talking about Mars..

http://www.livestream.com/exploremars
« Last Edit: 05/06/2013 01:13 pm by Chris Bergin »
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Re: Bolden: Humans2Mars Conference
« Reply #1 on: 05/06/2013 01:13 pm »
Had already noted that the ISS is a test bed for Mars mission.

Bolden says the main aim is to fully fund Commercial Crew.

Notes SLS/Orion on schedule. EFT-1 next.

We don't need a 130mT in 2017. Need 70mT to be able to fly Orion on trans-lunar. Then asteroid mission 2020-21 timeframe. Then Mars.

Going directly to 130mT we may end up with a Constellation type scenario, where there was no money for other elements of the plan.
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Re: Bolden: Humans 2 Mars Conference
« Reply #2 on: 05/06/2013 01:17 pm »
Asked about Mars One.

Doesn't know what their plan is. But supports anyone who wants to add a capability.

Our NASA plan has us going to Mars in the mid-2030s.

Biggest challenge from Congress is fully funding commercial crew.
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Re: Bolden: Humans 2 Mars Conference
« Reply #3 on: 05/06/2013 01:21 pm »
Says all the missions are affordable, in response to a question that there may be a different way to fund NASA (long term, not year to year).
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Re: Bolden: Humans 2 Mars Conference
« Reply #4 on: 05/06/2013 01:23 pm »
If the next admin comes in and says "do a lunar landing mission" it's "game over" "we'll be back to square one".

"If we stray from our path and go back to the moon, we will not to get to Mars in the 2030s, if ever".
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Re: Bolden: Humans 2 Mars Conference
« Reply #5 on: 05/06/2013 01:26 pm »
English fella: Why SLS and not a human rated F9 Heavy?

Bolden: When we looked at other systems, Atlas, Delta, etc. the number of missions required for Mars make it very difficult and decrease the possibility of success.

Falcon 9 is not what we need for deep space.

We are using a single vehicle, not many, many missions. Fuel depots - we're not there yet. It's not going to happen overnight and we can't wait if we want to explore.

We could ask SpaceX to dev human rated F9, we could get people to do fuel depots, but we'd then not get to an asteroid by 2021 and we wouldn't get to Mars.

(Ho ho, that's going to wind some people up! :D)
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Re: Bolden: Humans 2 Mars Conference
« Reply #6 on: 05/06/2013 01:29 pm »
Looks like they archive on livestream, so someone look out for that, as there's some interesting quotes in Bolden's Q&A.
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Re: Bolden: Humans 2 Mars Conference
« Reply #7 on: 05/06/2013 01:32 pm »
Some robotic precursor chat....
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Re: Bolden: Humans 2 Mars Conference
« Reply #8 on: 05/06/2013 01:39 pm »
SLS and Orion need little modification for EM-2 to an asteroid. Cheap way to get a lot of experience - Gerst.

SAA with B12 Foundation - Grunsfeld. OSIRIS-Rex mission in early 2020s.

Key tech required is a HLV and High Powered SEP.
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Re: Bolden: Humans 2 Mars Conference
« Reply #9 on: 05/06/2013 01:48 pm »
If anyone wants to continue live notes, please do. I've got to leave.
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Re: Bolden: Humans 2 Mars Conference
« Reply #10 on: 05/06/2013 01:48 pm »
Does anyone think or know if these panels and talks will be downloadable later on anywhere? (I've gotta leave too: its nearly 2am down here and way past time I was asleep).
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Re: Bolden: Humans 2 Mars Conference
« Reply #11 on: 05/06/2013 04:58 pm »
Here's the Guardian with notes on what's presumably the same event:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/may/06/nasa-curiosity-mars-press-conference-live .

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Re: Bolden: Humans 2 Mars Conference
« Reply #12 on: 05/06/2013 05:03 pm »
Does anyone think or know if these panels and talks will be downloadable later on anywhere?

Yes, they are already right below the live feed in the LiveStream link. They also will be on CSpan (but not sure if that will be the entire conference.)

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Re: Bolden: Humans 2 Mars Conference
« Reply #13 on: 05/06/2013 05:13 pm »
Here's the Guardian with notes on what's presumably the same event:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/may/06/nasa-curiosity-mars-press-conference-live .

Thank you, that's useful.

Not a few of the remarks so far reported seem a bit -- odd -- but best to wait for more information before commenting.
"I can’t tell you which asteroid, but there will be one in 2025," Bolden asserted.

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Re: Bolden: Humans 2 Mars Conference
« Reply #15 on: 05/06/2013 06:07 pm »
Archive

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/312552-1



Wonderful! Really did not want to write an article without word-for-word quoting.
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Re: Bolden: Humans 2 Mars Conference
« Reply #16 on: 05/06/2013 07:03 pm »
English fella: Why SLS and not a human rated F9 Heavy?

Bolden: When we looked at other systems, Atlas, Delta, etc. the number of missions required for Mars make it very difficult and decrease the possibility of success.

Falcon 9 is not what we need for deep space.

We are using a single vehicle, not many, many missions. Fuel depots - we're not there yet. It's not going to happen overnight and we can't wait if we want to explore.

We could ask SpaceX to dev human rated F9, we could get people to do fuel depots, but we'd then not get to an asteroid by 2021 and we wouldn't get to Mars.

(Ho ho, that's going to wind some people up! :D)

:)

I call Bee Ess. :) Fuel depots and cheap launchers are the architecture that should be pursued... and if it's 2030s and we STILL don't have ISRU from either luna or asteroids, and fuel depots to hold what we harvest, we're probably not going to Mars ever.
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Re: Bolden: Humans 2 Mars Conference
« Reply #17 on: 05/06/2013 07:12 pm »
English fella: Why SLS and not a human rated F9 Heavy?

Bolden: When we looked at other systems, Atlas, Delta, etc. the number of missions required for Mars make it very difficult and decrease the possibility of success.

Falcon 9 is not what we need for deep space.

We are using a single vehicle, not many, many missions. Fuel depots - we're not there yet. It's not going to happen overnight and we can't wait if we want to explore.

We could ask SpaceX to dev human rated F9, we could get people to do fuel depots, but we'd then not get to an asteroid by 2021 and we wouldn't get to Mars.

(Ho ho, that's going to wind some people up! :D)

:)

I call Bee Ess. :) Fuel depots and cheap launchers are the architecture that should be pursued... and if it's 2030s and we STILL don't have ISRU from either luna or asteroids, and fuel depots to hold what we harvest, we're probably not going to Mars ever.
The existence of launch vehicles which can directly deliver crew to an EML point and high power solar electric tugs make depots considerably less necessary. By the 2020's we should have multiple types of both of those in operation.

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Re: Bolden: Humans 2 Mars Conference
« Reply #18 on: 05/06/2013 07:30 pm »

I call Bee Ess. :) Fuel depots and cheap launchers are the architecture that should be pursued... and if it's 2030s and we STILL don't have ISRU from either luna or asteroids, and fuel depots to hold what we harvest, we're probably not going to Mars ever.

The existence of launch vehicles which can directly deliver crew to an EML point and high power solar electric tugs make depots considerably less necessary. By the 2020's we should have multiple types of both of those in operation.

ISRU without depots won't work very well. And lifting all fuel from a big gravity well is not a route to success. For flags and footprints maybe but I don't really GAF about those any more.
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Re: Bolden: Humans 2 Mars Conference
« Reply #19 on: 05/06/2013 08:28 pm »
English fella: Why SLS and not a human rated F9 Heavy?

Bolden: When we looked at other systems, Atlas, Delta, etc. the number of missions required for Mars make it very difficult and decrease the possibility of success.

Falcon 9 is not what we need for deep space.

We are using a single vehicle, not many, many missions. Fuel depots - we're not there yet. It's not going to happen overnight and we can't wait if we want to explore.

We could ask SpaceX to dev human rated F9, we could get people to do fuel depots, but we'd then not get to an asteroid by 2021 and we wouldn't get to Mars.

(Ho ho, that's going to wind some people up! :D)

:)

I call Bee Ess. :) Fuel depots and cheap launchers are the architecture that should be pursued... and if it's 2030s and we STILL don't have ISRU from either luna or asteroids, and fuel depots to hold what we harvest, we're probably not going to Mars ever.

Oi, no getting around the forum censor! ;D
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