qprmeteor - 3/5/2007 10:28 AMplus an intruiging couple of photo form 1980 where we see Joe Kerwin and Anna Fisher in Skylab pressure suits, performing an evaluation for a HST repair mission. Interestingly, Kerwin is wearing Rusty Schweikart's suit, while I can't make out whose suit Fisher is wearing....
qprmeteor - 7/5/2007 7:16 AMJoe Kerwin was in the running for an early MS slot, however, he became NASA's senior science representative in Australia in 1982 which took him out of the Astronaut Office. He returned to JSC in 1984 to become Director, Space and Life Sciences. IIRC, he performed the autoposies of the Challnger crew, but I may be wrong on that.
carmelo - 8/5/2007 8:13 PMWhat about Pete Conrad on Apollo 20? Pete wanted a second trip on the moon,and remember Pete is the guy that obtains what it wants (see CMDR role in SK-2 over Cunningham and Schweickart).
Jorge - 8/5/2007 8:20 PMQuotecarmelo - 8/5/2007 8:13 PMWhat about Pete Conrad on Apollo 20? Pete wanted a second trip on the moon,and remember Pete is the guy that obtains what it wants (see CMDR role in SK-2 over Cunningham and Schweickart).From my (dim) memory of Cassutt's bio, Deke's response to Pete was, "You only get one of those."Pete usually got what he wanted, but not always. He didn't get Lunar Gemini and he wasn't going to get a second moonwalk, if Deke had anything to say about it.-- JRF
if Apollo 13 was landed on the moon,Haise would have had Apollo 19,or the CMDR for 19 would have been Swigert (or Mattingly)
qprmeteor - 9/5/2007 2:47 PMAssuming 13 had been a success, I think 19 would have gone to the next CMP in line for command - Swigert, at least by the rotation laid down by Deke regarding the CMP's next assignment. Can't see how Haise would have gotten the CDR assignment if he had landed on the Moon, for similar reasons as to why Conrad was never seriously in the running for the CDR slot on 20.
Michael Cassutt - 9/5/2007 5:06 PMQuoteqprmeteor - 9/5/2007 2:47 PMAssuming 13 had been a success, I think 19 would have gone to the next CMP in line for command - Swigert, at least by the rotation laid down by Deke regarding the CMP's next assignment. Can't see how Haise would have gotten the CDR assignment if he had landed on the Moon, for similar reasons as to why Conrad was never seriously in the running for the CDR slot on 20.Well, no. The "rule" was that you don't get two lunar landing _commands_. Looking forward from summer 1969, when there were still 10 landings on the schedule, Deke fully intended to promote Haise, Mitchell and Irwin from LMP to commander.Michael Cassutt
Michael Cassutt - 9/5/2007 4:06 PMQuoteqprmeteor - 9/5/2007 2:47 PMAssuming 13 had been a success, I think 19 would have gone to the next CMP in line for command - Swigert, at least by the rotation laid down by Deke regarding the CMP's next assignment. Can't see how Haise would have gotten the CDR assignment if he had landed on the Moon, for similar reasons as to why Conrad was never seriously in the running for the CDR slot on 20.Well, no. The "rule" was that you don't get two lunar landing _commands_. Looking forward from summer 1969, when there were still 10 landings on the schedule, Deke fully intended to promote Haise, Mitchell and Irwin from LMP to commander.Michael Cassutt
qprmeteor - 9/5/2007 5:39 PMQuoteMichael Cassutt - 9/5/2007 5:06 PMQuoteqprmeteor - 9/5/2007 2:47 PMAssuming 13 had been a success, I think 19 would have gone to the next CMP in line for command - Swigert, at least by the rotation laid down by Deke regarding the CMP's next assignment. Can't see how Haise would have gotten the CDR assignment if he had landed on the Moon, for similar reasons as to why Conrad was never seriously in the running for the CDR slot on 20.Well, no. The "rule" was that you don't get two lunar landing _commands_. Looking forward from summer 1969, when there were still 10 landings on the schedule, Deke fully intended to promote Haise, Mitchell and Irwin from LMP to commander.Michael CassuttNow that would have been interesting, thanks for that Michael! I wonder what morale would have been like in the Astronaut Office amongst the CMPs, seeing LMPs like Haise, Mitchell and Irwin get a second bite of the lunar landing cherry...
carmelo - 9/5/2007 7:17 PMQuoteMichael Cassutt - 9/5/2007 4:06 PMQuoteqprmeteor - 9/5/2007 2:47 PMAssuming 13 had been a success, I think 19 would have gone to the next CMP in line for command - Swigert, at least by the rotation laid down by Deke regarding the CMP's next assignment. Can't see how Haise would have gotten the CDR assignment if he had landed on the Moon, for similar reasons as to why Conrad was never seriously in the running for the CDR slot on 20.Well, no. The "rule" was that you don't get two lunar landing _commands_. Looking forward from summer 1969, when there were still 10 landings on the schedule, Deke fully intended to promote Haise, Mitchell and Irwin from LMP to commander.Michael Cassutt Incredible! Haise lost two times the moon!!! That unlucky guy! :frown: So,Apollo 20 CMDR would have been Irwin and Mitchell on 21?? But i have not read nothing of this in "Deke".Why?
Michael Cassutt - 10/5/2007 12:25 AMYou didn't read it in DEKE! because it's just what-if talk -- it was worth discussing the rationale behind crew assignments -- that was history -- and useful to know some of Deke's rationale. What is the point in saying Haise "lost" the Moon "twice"? The projection of later commanders was only relevant for a few weeks in 1969.... as missions disappeared, or were flown, and astronauts made career decisions, everything changed. To read more into it is just silly.Michael Cassutt