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Offline Sergi Manstov

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NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« on: 11/11/2005 11:06 AM »
Breaking news here in Russia.

Two Soyuz and Two Progress supply ships on order from NASA, agreed to by Energia.

More to follow as I get quotes and any more details.

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?id=4011

Offline Chris Bergin

RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #1 on: 11/11/2005 11:19 AM »
Oh crap, now this adds interest to the PCRB.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #2 on: 11/11/2005 11:21 AM »
W00T!

Great news :), thanks. As a side note does anybody know how many man days on orbit does a progress flight provide?

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #3 on: 11/11/2005 11:25 AM »
This does not sound like great news for the STS program, but good news for the CEV, if I'm assuming this right. Maybe Kraisee's accelerated plan is going to happen after all.
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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #4 on: 11/11/2005 11:29 AM »
Seems like I'm out of tune here, what's bad about this?

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #5 on: 11/11/2005 11:35 AM »
It sounds like there could be a serious move to a very early retirement of the Shuttle. Maybe I'm assuming too much? :)
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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #6 on: 11/11/2005 11:36 AM »
Maybe, but it's also great news that NASA won't find itself without any means of manned space flight during the gap between STS and CEV. It could also be simply for those two years between to two programs. It's all good.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #7 on: 11/11/2005 11:37 AM »
Maybe, but I think its a contigency plan to keep US astronauts on the ISS. 

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #8 on: 11/11/2005 11:38 AM »
Maybe, but given the comments that refer to the Shuttle, I think this isn't sounding all that great for the STS or the ISS. Again, where the chips will fall will speak more on this. Overall it's good the US and Russians are doing deals on extra capability.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #9 on: 11/11/2005 11:44 AM »
I have more comments and have added them to the story on the above link.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #10 on: 11/11/2005 11:46 AM »
He also spoke about the Kliper, but I won't add those, you can see them here.

"There are several hundred millionaires in the world who are fond of extreme tourism and would like to fly to space on the Kliper," Sevastyanov said.

"Today 1.5 years is needed to train an astronaut for a Soyuz flight, but it will take only three months to prepare an unprofessional passenger for a Kliper flight."

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #11 on: 11/11/2005 11:48 AM »
The Russians always tend to be exact on the number of flights, and he's saying 17 there. Again, of interest on the PCRB. Great work Sergi.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #12 on: 11/11/2005 11:48 AM »
Yes, the Kliper quotes can wait for another story, I agree.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #13 on: 11/11/2005 11:49 AM »
The 3 months for training an 'tourist' Kliper passenger could be great and not just for tourist but for scientist, and payload specialists as well.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #14 on: 11/11/2005 12:07 PM »
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The 3 months for training an 'tourist' Kliper passenger could be great and not just for tourist but for scientist, and payload specialists as well.

Sure is.

This is all very good news! Sounds like Griffin has a plan and he's not wasting any time.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #15 on: 11/11/2005 12:17 PM »
A statement from NASA on this would go a long way to specifics. That's what we need now as to confirm the purpose of this deal.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #16 on: 11/11/2005 12:47 PM »
Well this figures.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #17 on: 11/11/2005 03:16 PM »
One, maybe two would have been a good reasoning for back up, but four sounds a lot like the Shuttle fleet is on the way to retirement.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #18 on: 11/11/2005 03:37 PM »
Well which Shuttle flights can really count on actually happening. I'm sure we will see STS-121. I wouldn't be surprised if all goes well with RTF 2, (i e no foam) we will hear an announcement that this is the finale of the STS program or, that there are only going to be 3 or 4 more missions.
I don't see the Hubble mission happening. If the STS is retired, how can it be sent to Hubble if it is too unsafe to even go to the ISS.


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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #19 on: 11/11/2005 03:59 PM »
Let's not try to read more into this than the sparse facts in the story shows. NASA asked for an easing of the INA months ago, two Soyuz and two Progress capsules is hardly a sign that the entire 19 flight manifest is being dumped. The closest thing to any reduction is the mention of 17 STS flights which could be a misunderstanding.

Dr. Griffin recently stated that completing the ISS and servicing the Hubble was a high priority for NASA. I have no reason to think he was stupid enough to lie to Congress. It will take a lot more than an order of 4 Russian capsules that was likely in the planning for months to convince me that there have been sudden major changes in NASA's plans in the last two weeks.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #20 on: 11/11/2005 04:14 PM »
Expect Griffin to absolutely insist of a HSM.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #21 on: 11/11/2005 05:01 PM »
Ok, so can anyone say what this could be all about if NASA is planning to launch four, six and six launches over the next three years? Why do they need these four ships from Russia?

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #22 on: 11/11/2005 05:19 PM »
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Ok, so can anyone say what this could be all about if NASA is planning to launch four, six and six launches over the next three years? Why do they need these four ships from Russia?

One of the details missing from the story is when NASA will be using them. If the STS program does end at the end of FY2010 and the CEV isn't ready until 2012 then NASA will be needing the Soyuz capsules in that time frame. Otherwise they would be spending a lot of Money to finish the ISS and not have a way to get to it for two years.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #23 on: 11/11/2005 05:35 PM »
Dobbins raises some very good points, I don't theink there is any reason to read more into this than what there really is.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #24 on: 11/11/2005 06:19 PM »
That is a good point. 2010 is almost 4 years away. That's not that much time when it comes to NASA and other space programs. And the Russians are pretty busy with Soyuz, so it makes sense to give them four years notice on our order.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #25 on: 11/11/2005 06:40 PM »
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That is a good point. 2010 is almost 4 years away. That's not that much time when it comes to NASA and other space programs. And the Russians are pretty busy with Soyuz, so it makes sense to give them four years notice on our order.

If this had been an order for something like 10 Soyuz capsules and 10 Progress capsules, then there would be a cause for alarm. That would point towards an early termination of the STS or a delay in the CEV. An order of this size fits right in with what NASA said when they asked for an amendment to the INA, a need to fill the gap between the last Shuttle flight in 2010 and the first CEV flight in 2012.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #26 on: 11/11/2005 07:35 PM »
And don't forget that NASA needs to pay its share of future Soyuz flights in order to get US astronauts in the permanent ISS crew.  Shuttles only stay there for a few days, and any permanent crew need to be able to return on the Soyuz if there is an accident etc.

There was a barter system in place between the Russians and NASA regarding crew rotation flights and supply flights, the Russians utilising Soyuz/Progress and NASA the Shuttle. With the Shuttle grounded, the Russians have now provided what they agreed to NASA, who have to pay for anything further.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #27 on: 11/11/2005 09:12 PM »
Like others I think we need to hear more from NASA on the purpose of these purchases. All I've seen so far is Griffin say they are able to go ahead with it. Purpose and logistics of these Russian ships is the next interesting thing I'd like to hear.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #28 on: 11/12/2005 01:12 AM »
I also wonder who the crew members will be, will they be all American crews, or will there be a cosmonaut on board as well.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #29 on: 11/12/2005 01:22 AM »
I expect never to see an all American Soyuz crew.


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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #30 on: 11/12/2005 01:22 AM »
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I also wonder who the crew members will be, will they be all American crews, or will there be a cosmonaut on board as well.

This is just a guess. I would say a seat swap arrangement where a US astronaut gets a ride on two Soyuz capsules that Russia pays for and a Cosmonaut gets a ride on the two Soyuz capsules the US pays for. That would fit the pattern of ISS crews to date.

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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #31 on: 11/12/2005 05:00 AM »
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Dobbins raises some very good points, I don't theink there is any reason to read more into this than what there really is.
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RE: NASA orders FOUR Russian Spacecrafts
« Reply #32 on: 11/12/2005 11:07 PM »
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Dobbins raises some very good points, I don't theink there is any reason to read more into this than what there really is.
We are pattern-matching apes.  It is how we survived for the past 3 million years.  Sometimes the ability to draw conclusions gets in the way of drawing conclusions.

Far to early to draw any conclusions.. the pattern of the past in terms of a Nasa admin are a changing.. there is clearly a plan, that has not been fully laid out yet.

Then again Anik indicated it takes over two years to get a ship bulit so an order now, assuming there is no other ships in production ( and we know that is not true) would take at least two years and a lot will unfold over that time.

I look at the order as an insurance package right now.

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