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Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« on: 10/01/2017 07:49 AM »
Amazon will adapt Ringworld, Snow Crash and Lazarus into TV series for Amazon Prime:

https://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2017/09/snow-crash-lazarus-and-ringworld-shows-are-coming-to-amazon-prime/




Larry Niven's Ringworld is about a large artificially created ring-shaped megastructure which serves as a habitat and is the backdrop for the story.
(Incidentally, Ringworld is yet another series that was slated to be developed by SyFy but was passed up by it, just like Philip K Dick's Man in the High Castle, which Amazon also picked up after and found success with)
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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #1 on: 10/01/2017 01:21 PM »
I'd caution that this only means that they might do this.

There are lots of examples of novels and past shows that get optioned and go nowhere:

Red Mars:
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2925/1

Space 1999:
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2040/1

Capricorn One:
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/811/1

Of the above, I'm most disappointed that Red Mars fell apart.

The Moon is a Harsh Mistress has also been bopping around for awhile and did not get made.

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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #2 on: 10/01/2017 03:54 PM »
and reminds me of Auther C. Clark's "Rendezvous with Rama"

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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #3 on: 10/01/2017 03:57 PM »
I'd caution that this only means that they might do this.
We might hope they don't -- movie/TV adaptations of classic SF have so far been pretty disappointing IMHO.

In the case of RINGWORLD, I can't see any of the Known Space background surviving into an adaptation, and to me that was the good part of the original novel (I'm not much of a fan of the sequels.)

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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #4 on: 10/01/2017 04:54 PM »
and reminds me of Auther C. Clark's "Rendezvous with Rama"

I think there was discussion of doing that as a TV movie. Cannot remember specifics, but obviously it has not happened.

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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #5 on: 10/01/2017 04:56 PM »
I'd caution that this only means that they might do this.
We might hope they don't -- movie/TV adaptations of classic SF have so far been pretty disappointing IMHO.


I dunno. I thought that Childhood's End was excellent. And it got much less attention and praise than it deserved. And The Expanse has been a great adaptation.

I would love to see Red Mars make it as a miniseries, but it would require a lot of money and effort. And as you note, this can be done wrong.


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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #6 on: 10/01/2017 05:00 PM »
Can't wait to see a Pierson's puppeteer.
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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #7 on: 10/01/2017 05:20 PM »
I dunno. I thought that Childhood's End was excellent. And it got much less attention and praise than it deserved. And The Expanse has been a great adaptation.
Well, I get that.  FWIW, I think the people who made Childhood's End were trying as hard as they could, but ultimately I found the changes jarring and I don't think it really captured either the themes or the flavor of the book at all.  Of course I can't claim any objectivity; Childhood's End was one of the first real SF books I read as a kid and I've read it dozens of times since.

Every once in a while I am impressed with a specific scene in The Expanse but in general I find it oddly paced and surprisingly boring.  I'm not a big fan of the books, either, though.  But again, the producers are clearly trying really hard and I respect the fandom's response, I just don't share it.

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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #8 on: 10/01/2017 05:21 PM »
Can't wait to see a Pierson's puppeteer.
It would amaze me if that element makes it in, assuming this ever materializes at all.

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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #9 on: 10/01/2017 05:30 PM »
That image makes the ringworld look really small! The surface area in the book is around 3 million times that of the Earth. I really hope they have someone with a big enough imagination to do this justice.
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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #10 on: 10/01/2017 07:37 PM »
Like Rama, Ringworld is heavy on world-building but not much on narrative. The first part is largely talking and Exposť, during the second part, the protagonists just go from one place to another, encounter weird people and phenomena, they have little say on the events unfolding, just tag along, then more talking and revelations until the end.

A naive and helpless female protagonist. Breed for luck. Tasp. I think many concepts are very hard to adopt for TV audience. Removing all those hard, unpopular, tedious stuff, there is not much left. A few actions, but not enough. Unless they can pull a Total Recall or Blade Runner on it.

Nobody can possibly do justice to a world that huge, not even Larry Niven himself. Imagine the geography, history, culture, fauna and flora, possibility is endless, but the actual story is such a let down.

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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #11 on: 10/01/2017 08:09 PM »
Exactly, take the good elements - Puppeteers, etc but completely redo the story to better encompass the vast scale of the world, without falling down the monster of the week. I really liked the idea of dropping hominids from 1-2 million years ago into such a world, but having the story ark remain consistent throughout.

IE make sure the series has an ark, and then stop.

The breding for luck can go, tasp is ok, sunflowers - meh, Pak protectors and breeders - meh. Whole new story would be better.
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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #12 on: 10/02/2017 01:07 AM »
You can be pretty sure someone has suggested "Hey, lets make it like Game of Thrones" :-)

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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #13 on: 10/02/2017 01:52 AM »
and reminds me of Auther C. Clark's "Rendezvous with Rama"

I think there was discussion of doing that as a TV movie. Cannot remember specifics, but obviously it has not happened.

For a while (10+ years ago) it was a feature film with Morgan Freeman attached.

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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #14 on: 10/02/2017 03:15 PM »
That image makes the ringworld look really small! The surface area in the book is around 3 million times that of the Earth. I really hope they have someone with a big enough imagination to do this justice.

Their imagination will have to include a way to make the ringworld fundamentally stable.  Which is ain't...

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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #15 on: 10/02/2017 03:47 PM »
That image makes the ringworld look really small! The surface area in the book is around 3 million times that of the Earth. I really hope they have someone with a big enough imagination to do this justice.

Their imagination will have to include a way to make the ringworld fundamentally stable.  Which is ain't...
Yes, that was brought up at the 1971 World Science Fiction Convention, and Niven dealt with it in The Ringworld Engineers (1980).

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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #16 on: 10/02/2017 04:03 PM »
That image makes the ringworld look really small! The surface area in the book is around 3 million times that of the Earth. I really hope they have someone with a big enough imagination to do this justice.

Their imagination will have to include a way to make the ringworld fundamentally stable.  Which is ain't...
Yes, that was brought up at the 1971 World Science Fiction Convention, and Niven dealt with it in The Ringworld Engineers (1980).

Yep -- Bussard ramjets mounted along the ring walls, collecting and burning the solar wind-generated gasses, served as "attitude control jets" for Niven's Ringworld.

It's perhaps good that Amazon has picked up this property.  If Syfy was going to do it, all of those nice scenes featuring rishathra would have been censored out...;)
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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #17 on: 10/02/2017 10:21 PM »
It's perhaps good that Amazon has picked up this property.  If Syfy was going to do it, all of those nice scenes featuring rishathra would have been censored out...;)

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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #18 on: 10/03/2017 04:03 PM »
That image makes the ringworld look really small! The surface area in the book is around 3 million times that of the Earth. I really hope they have someone with a big enough imagination to do this justice.

Their imagination will have to include a way to make the ringworld fundamentally stable.  Which is ain't...
Yes, that was brought up at the 1971 World Science Fiction Convention, and Niven dealt with it in The Ringworld Engineers (1980).

Yep -- Bussard ramjets mounted along the ring walls, collecting and burning the solar wind-generated gasses, served as "attitude control jets" for Niven's Ringworld.


A planet replacement/equivalent that requires an active OACS for many millennia is a distinctly unsatisfying kludge.

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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #19 on: 10/03/2017 04:57 PM »
Like Rama, Ringworld is heavy on world-building but not much on narrative. The first part is largely talking and Exposť, during the second part, the protagonists just go from one place to another, encounter weird people and phenomena, they have little say on the events unfolding, just tag along, then more talking and revelations until the end.

A naive and helpless female protagonist. Breed for luck. Tasp. I think many concepts are very hard to adopt for TV audience. Removing all those hard, unpopular, tedious stuff, there is not much left. A few actions, but not enough. Unless they can pull a Total Recall or Blade Runner on it.

Nobody can possibly do justice to a world that huge, not even Larry Niven himself. Imagine the geography, history, culture, fauna and flora, possibility is endless, but the actual story is such a let down.
Exactly my issues.
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« Reply #20 on: 10/03/2017 07:43 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: 10/05/2017 02:39 PM »
Like Rama, Ringworld is heavy on world-building but not much on narrative. The first part is largely talking and Exposť, during the second part, the protagonists just go from one place to another, encounter weird people and phenomena, they have little say on the events unfolding, just tag along, then more talking and revelations until the end.

A naive and helpless female protagonist. Breed for luck. Tasp. I think many concepts are very hard to adopt for TV audience. Removing all those hard, unpopular, tedious stuff, there is not much left. A few actions, but not enough. Unless they can pull a Total Recall or Blade Runner on it.

Nobody can possibly do justice to a world that huge, not even Larry Niven himself. Imagine the geography, history, culture, fauna and flora, possibility is endless, but the actual story is such a let down.

"Go from one place to another ...". We are back to wagon trains in space. Early Star Trek.

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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #22 on: 10/05/2017 06:55 PM »
Amazon will adapt Ringworld, Snow Crash and Lazarus into TV series for Amazon Prime:

https://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2017/09/snow-crash-lazarus-and-ringworld-shows-are-coming-to-amazon-prime/



Most depictions just fail to give an impression of the vast size of Niven's Ringworld. Here is a video that comes close to doing it justice:


As for the prospects for the show (if it indeed happens), I think it could be used as an interesting setting for something, something based on Ringworld rather than a retelling. Because the book plot is not very compelling.

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Re: Ringworld to be Made into Series by Amazon
« Reply #23 on: 10/09/2017 12:51 AM »
As for the prospects for the show (if it indeed happens), I think it could be used as an interesting setting for something, something based on Ringworld rather than a retelling. Because the book plot is not very compelling.

Agreed. I have read the book series - twice. It is still a compelling story if only because of how the immensity of the ringworld boggles the mind. I agree with your premise. A successful series would, like Star Trek, need to be a series of different stories with the common environment and difficulties of the ringworld. That might work. But a story "about" the ringworld would quickly become a one-of, and pass into the list of also rans.
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« Reply #24 on: 10/09/2017 01:28 AM »
Someone might already have done this (shades of "The Last Ship"), but I was thinking you could have an interesting procedural SF based around an aircraft carrier somehow transported to a ringworld.

It could be essentially the exact same plot setup as star trek voyager, but done with present day technology.

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