Author Topic: Rapper B.o.B. raising funds to launch satellites to check if Earth is flat  (Read 2556 times)

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Oh the irony!

Canít help feeling he knows very well it isnít flat and this is just attention seeking

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But US rapper B.o.B. is crowd-funding the launch of satellites to see if he can get some evidence to the contrary.

The rapper, whose real name is Bobby Ray Simmons Jr, has been a vocal proponent of the Flat Earth theory - the claim the Earth is, in fact, a disc and not spherical.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-41399164

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I'd ask the moderators not to delete this thread because it's an actual space mission :)

https://www.gofundme.com/showBoBthecurve

Meanwhile the Ashay Doshi's comment is hilarious:

Bro. I am totally with you on this. But we cannot trust anything but our senses. The technology you're using will make it appear that the earth is round because of the curvature of the lenses mounted on your satellite. The only way to find out if the earth is flat is by going to outer soace yourself and ejecting yourself from the spacecraft, because the window glass would also have a slight curvature making the earth look round. Then you have to get out of your space suit, becayse the glass on your space suit will curve the appearance of the earth. So onky then you will see that the earth is in fact, flat.


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About time we had a Monty Python thread, the endless Spacex debates are getting Boring Co. boring.

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I put it in here because it seems like a fine bit of comedy.

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He's Going to fund a satellite launch to prove his "theory"? Ok what happens when the results come back saying the Earth is in fact round. Won't he just say it's cgi or photoshopped and thus fake. Oh the irony indeed.

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I guess he must have fallen of the edge one night too many...
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 Yeah, Baby! If the earth is really flat, and I suspect it is- since we ain't too sharp, maybe they could use auto-tune to adjust the climate? 8)

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He's Going to fund a satellite launch to prove his "theory"? Ok what happens when the results come back saying the Earth is in fact round. Won't he just say it's cgi or photoshopped and thus fake. Oh the irony indeed.

The same thing would happen when anti-vaxxers fund research and it proves them wrong :) They will deny the results :)

I am personally frustrated. I have several friends who're flat earthers. Which is curious. I am a researcher myself and I constantly meet and talk to people who're involved in the space programme - real people with real experiments in space. When those friends of mine tell me that the Earth is flat, it's almost like calling me a liar.
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He's Going to fund a satellite launch to prove his "theory"? Ok what happens when the results come back saying the Earth is in fact round. Won't he just say it's cgi or photoshopped and thus fake. Oh the irony indeed.

The same thing would happen when anti-vaxxers fund research and it proves them wrong They will deny the results

I am personally frustrated. I have several friends who're flat earthers. Which is curious. I am a researcher myself and I constantly meet and talk to people who're involved in the space programme - real people with real experiments in space. When those friends of mine tell me that the Earth is flat, it's almost like calling me a liar.

I donít understand how intelligent people can hold this belief in this day and age. After all and contrary to popular belief a lot of people even in the Middle Ages knew the Earth was a globe.

I can go to the seaside and using one of the telescopes on the front see ships out to sea pop up over the horizon due to the curvature of the Earth.
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(fan) I just want to know what his bird will have that all the birds in orbit already do not have.
(mod) this is probably off topic and in need of  being closed but I am laughing too hard to find the delete button. Let's not get TOO carried away or Chris will notice.
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Isn't buying a round-the-world plane ticket a whole lot easier and way cheaper ?
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Isn't buying a round-the-world plane ticket a whole lot easier and way cheaper ?

Wouldnít going up in hot air balloon be even cheaper still to see what you needed to see it?

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Maybe he can pay for a Soyuz ride or a Dragon ride next year and he can see for himself.  These are the same people who do not believe we went to the moon.  They definitely do not need to be Martian colonists early on.

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Fools and their money are easily parted.

I know on some level this is funny stuff - but I've been warning people for years about these clowns, and I've rarely been taken seriously. I've even been told more than once on this website that there is no such thing as a mainstream presence for these people. Well; this thread and the link is proof positive that it has been in the 'mainstream' for awhile. I was at a show by Dr Neil Degrasse-Tyson here in Auckland, New Zealand a couple months back. When Dr Tyson mentioned the achievement of the Apollo lunar missions - a Hoaxtard idiot started screaming at him from the auditorium until Security evicted him.

Over the last 20 plus years, I have done Space Exploration history and science demonstrations for Expos and museums and I've lost count the number of times I've been taken to task - sometimes bullied - by people who are 'Hoaxtards' or even Flat Earthers. I have even had death threats on Facebook and other social media - I can quote the exact wording of the worst threat from memory - but cannot point to it because the threat was removed long ago from online. I have fought these d1ckheads online and sometimes in person for more years than I can count. There was even a heated exchange I had only yesterday on Facebook with a religious extremist about the Big Bang. You may think I go out of my way to invoke these encounters - I do not. Because if you are a passionate advocate of Space Exploration and Astronomy and are very active online on mainstream websites - they will find you. Space Geeks beware - these subhumans will threaten you one day soon. Do not back down; but don't try to escalate it, either.
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 I agree almost 100% with Matt on the [bad word!]-- nonsense going on now; but in this particular case I really think these guys are just trying to attract attention to themselves and create "Hits" and $$$. "There's no such thing as bad publicity in show biz" and it has now been taken to a new level. That is different than the "Moon Landing Is Fake" or MLIF's crowd, which Matt is totally correct in using the term "Dangerous" to describe. I know a noted musician, world-class, who you would never believe could have bought into this... what do we even call it? Words seem inadequate.
 All the more reason to push ASAP for the Moon Base; it will hopefully put an end to at least this particular malarkey. ::)
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What I find particularly special about this is that he acknowledges that rockets actually go to space, but somehow everything else is faked.  Most flat-earthers seem to be of the opinion that its impossible to go to space.

I just can't wrap my head around that kind of logic and partial denial.

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A few years ago I had the honor of flying on SOFIA.  In the recent past I've had people tell me that it's the "real Hubble", that NASA uses a 747 with a big telescope to fake all of those photos.  Because a billion-dollar aircraft is better than Photoshop?

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What I find particularly special about this is that he acknowledges that rockets actually go to space, but somehow everything else is faked.  Most flat-earthers seem to be of the opinion that its impossible to go to space.

I just can't wrap my head around that kind of logic and partial denial.


Not all flat earthers are like this. One of my flat earthers friends said he believes that the satellites are making circles around the plane.

But now, on-topic.

OK, guys I'm a commercial spaceflight proponent. With other words, I believe that some day space should become available to the masses. Everybody should have an access to a satellite or at least to suborbital tourism.

But if everyone is able to go to space, should we question their motives?

I mean, years ago I was quite mad when Gui Laliberte went to space. I was a young boy, 22 yrs old. Now I'm almost 30 and my view has changed quite much.

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What I find particularly special about this is that he acknowledges that rockets actually go to space, but somehow everything else is faked.  Most flat-earthers seem to be of the opinion that its impossible to go to space.

I just can't wrap my head around that kind of logic and partial denial.


What partial denial ? You just lower the rope across the edge of the disc, just like the great astrozoologists of Krull did, while trying to determine the gender of the Great A'Tuin
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Meanwhile, astronaut Terry Virts:

I can save BoB a lot of money- The Earth is round.   I flew around it.

https://twitter.com/AstroTerry

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Meanwhile, astronaut Terry Virts:

I can save BoB a lot of money- The Earth is round.   I flew around it.

https://twitter.com/AstroTerry

B.O.B. really needs to look up the definitions of the words satellite and orbit as this would also save him & others money. Or why we have day and night.
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I think this thread is intended to be humor only.

Any serious arguments to prove that the earth is round is probably off topic.

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Let B.o.B. pay for a flight around the world on Soyuz or Dragon when they become available.  Let him spend his money so that someone can gain the profit to use to further space. 

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I think this thread is intended to be humor only.

Any serious arguments to prove that the earth is round is probably off topic.
The fact that their are Flat Earthers in 2017 is not funny.
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 Please let me state this again more clearly- IMHO- this is what is called a "put-on". Bob is not serious. They are doing this for the sake of publicity, exactly like a few space projects that come up around here once in awhile. Humour is OK; this can be a very-dry site sometimes, though some people have made me laugh my behind-off. Any indignation from us just plays into their hand. They are trying to get a rise out of people, which translates into sales and gigs and $$. I'm from the record biz and I've seen a lot of this over the years. Yes, Virginia, there are MLIFakers and Flat-Brainers out there but this particular case is not one of them. If I am wrong, I will volunteer to do a year at the DSG...
 I actually admire this escapade, because it is stimulating a discussion about a scientific-issue that teachers and educators can focus their students on, so hopefully a lot of good will come of it down the road.
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Please let me state this again more clearly- IMHO- this is what is called a "put-on". Bob is not serious. They are doing this for the sake of publicity, exactly like a few space projects that come up around here once in awhile. Humour is OK; this can be a very-dry site sometimes, though some people have made me laugh my behind-off. Any indignation from us just plays into their hand. They are trying to get a rise out of people, which translates into sales and gigs and $$. I'm from the record biz and I've seen a lot of this over the years. Yes, Virginia, there are MLIFakers and Flat-Brainers out there but this particular case is not one of them. If I am wrong, I will volunteer to do a year at the DSG...
 I actually admire this escapade, because it is stimulating a discussion about a scientific-issue that teachers and educators can focus their students on, so hopefully a lot of good will come of it down the road.
 We can't even make UFO jokes anymore; it might have been a drone they saw that night!
I worry how this will play out. Even if it is a "put-on", he can influence his audience.  I don't really care if doubling-down on the crazy is helpful for his career and he doesn't really believe it.  As a matter of fact it could be worse if he is doing it purely for attention.  If it works, why would he ever stop? Kickstarter not funded? Shut down by the elites! Got back pictures of the "curve"? Someone hacked the project!

I hope he gets the satellite launched and I hope he then becomes a "Ball Earther." But I've seen enough crazy and I don't think that's how this will play out.

On a lighter note, maybe we could rewrite the lyrics to "50 Ways to Leave Your Lover" as "50 Ways to be a Curver"?
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 mme- you may be making me rethink this thing- In the Age of the Fake News can we afford the luxury of laughing off these type of stunts? Very probably not? What's next:" Invisible Plutonians are eating our Honey Bees" in the supermarket tabloids?

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If I am wrong, I will volunteer to do a year at the DSG...

How exactly is that a punishment? I might be missing something there.

Yes, this site is pretty dry. Most people like it that way.... that's not the same as completely humorless. (not intended to start a conversation on the nature of humor)
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Let B.o.B. pay for a flight around the world on Soyuz or Dragon when they become available.  Let him spend his money so that someone can gain the profit to use to further space. 
For a lot less money - relatively speaking - BoB can book a MIG-31 or MIG-29 flight near Moscow through 'Space Adventures' and other agencies. They will zoom him up to 70,000 feet - over 21km - where he could see the subtle curve of the Earth for himself. Or; send up a weather balloon-derivative with a fixed-focus camera to over 120,000 feet - 36km - and take pictures. End of story...

The MIGs can actually go a lot higher than 70,000 - but then the aircraft becomes harder to control sometimes, which might put the passenger's life in danger.
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He can presumably afford an hour-long call to one of his friends somewhere where it is noon while he watches the sun set.

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