Quote from: cferreir on 09/18/2017 11:05 pmQuote from: meberbs on 09/13/2017 04:44 pmQuote from: Zed_Noir on 09/13/2017 04:23 pmAlso can the visor be open separately?I believe the answer is yes based on the below statement:Quote from: jpo234 on 09/09/2017 08:25 pmOn reddit is a post from somebody who (claims to have) participated in the photo shoot:https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/6yxovo/elon_musk_shares_first_fullbody_photo_of_spacexs/dmrabouQuote Well, I'm flattered! But I'm not sure how much I can tell you surely it wouldn't be worth an entire AMA. But let's see... the new space suit was definitely a jump suit, and definitely didn't let any air in. The man inside (he wore the thing for like 8 hours straight while we were shooting + lighting, no joke) needed the visor to be lifted after about every 5-10 shots so he could breathe. We had someone with a large ventilation tube on standby, to sort of shoot cool air into his face while we were going over the shots, adjusting his positioning, lighting, etc.So where are all the connectors for air and comms? The Boeing suit showed them. Why weren't the photographers using those connectors??? Seems like the SpaceX suit has a longer way to go."All" the connectors? If you take a good hard look at the Boeing suit you will notice exactly two connectors. One for air and one for comms. The latter is, from most views, pretty much hidden behind the left arm.What you failed to notice is that the Boeing suit is a fine example of functionality-over-looks. The SpaceX suit is different. It quite literally has looks-over-functionality in the sense that the cool-looking exterior is a shell over the actual pressure-suit. The connectors for the SpaceX suit are mounted on the actual pressure suit and are covered by a flap that is part of the exterior shell. You don't design a slick looking exterior with fancy helmet-to-match and than have that whole picture ruined by two connectors sticking out. Stop thinking the NASA/Boeing way and start thinking the Elon way.
Quote from: meberbs on 09/13/2017 04:44 pmQuote from: Zed_Noir on 09/13/2017 04:23 pmAlso can the visor be open separately?I believe the answer is yes based on the below statement:Quote from: jpo234 on 09/09/2017 08:25 pmOn reddit is a post from somebody who (claims to have) participated in the photo shoot:https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/6yxovo/elon_musk_shares_first_fullbody_photo_of_spacexs/dmrabouQuote Well, I'm flattered! But I'm not sure how much I can tell you surely it wouldn't be worth an entire AMA. But let's see... the new space suit was definitely a jump suit, and definitely didn't let any air in. The man inside (he wore the thing for like 8 hours straight while we were shooting + lighting, no joke) needed the visor to be lifted after about every 5-10 shots so he could breathe. We had someone with a large ventilation tube on standby, to sort of shoot cool air into his face while we were going over the shots, adjusting his positioning, lighting, etc.So where are all the connectors for air and comms? The Boeing suit showed them. Why weren't the photographers using those connectors??? Seems like the SpaceX suit has a longer way to go.
Quote from: Zed_Noir on 09/13/2017 04:23 pmAlso can the visor be open separately?I believe the answer is yes based on the below statement:Quote from: jpo234 on 09/09/2017 08:25 pmOn reddit is a post from somebody who (claims to have) participated in the photo shoot:https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/6yxovo/elon_musk_shares_first_fullbody_photo_of_spacexs/dmrabouQuote Well, I'm flattered! But I'm not sure how much I can tell you surely it wouldn't be worth an entire AMA. But let's see... the new space suit was definitely a jump suit, and definitely didn't let any air in. The man inside (he wore the thing for like 8 hours straight while we were shooting + lighting, no joke) needed the visor to be lifted after about every 5-10 shots so he could breathe. We had someone with a large ventilation tube on standby, to sort of shoot cool air into his face while we were going over the shots, adjusting his positioning, lighting, etc.
Also can the visor be open separately?
On reddit is a post from somebody who (claims to have) participated in the photo shoot:https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/6yxovo/elon_musk_shares_first_fullbody_photo_of_spacexs/dmrabouQuote Well, I'm flattered! But I'm not sure how much I can tell you surely it wouldn't be worth an entire AMA. But let's see... the new space suit was definitely a jump suit, and definitely didn't let any air in. The man inside (he wore the thing for like 8 hours straight while we were shooting + lighting, no joke) needed the visor to be lifted after about every 5-10 shots so he could breathe. We had someone with a large ventilation tube on standby, to sort of shoot cool air into his face while we were going over the shots, adjusting his positioning, lighting, etc.
Well, I'm flattered! But I'm not sure how much I can tell you surely it wouldn't be worth an entire AMA. But let's see... the new space suit was definitely a jump suit, and definitely didn't let any air in. The man inside (he wore the thing for like 8 hours straight while we were shooting + lighting, no joke) needed the visor to be lifted after about every 5-10 shots so he could breathe. We had someone with a large ventilation tube on standby, to sort of shoot cool air into his face while we were going over the shots, adjusting his positioning, lighting, etc.
Quote from: AncientU on 09/19/2017 02:48 pmJust curious, why a connector for comms? Aren't we a bit past that technology-wise?I would not want to rely on wireless for short-range comms. Better a hardline to avoid interference from the long range comms and any RF noise in the cabin. Too many things that could go wrong just to have one less connector.Being that there will already be a connector for air, I'd make that an umbilical that carries both air and comms through one connection.
Just curious, why a connector for comms? Aren't we a bit past that technology-wise?
Quote from: StuffOfInterest on 09/19/2017 02:54 pmQuote from: AncientU on 09/19/2017 02:48 pmJust curious, why a connector for comms? Aren't we a bit past that technology-wise?I would not want to rely on wireless for short-range comms. Better a hardline to avoid interference from the long range comms and any RF noise in the cabin. Too many things that could go wrong just to have one less connector.Being that there will already be a connector for air, I'd make that an umbilical that carries both air and comms through one connection.Considering mobility of say seven passengers on Dragon 2 (many more on ITSy) -- with derivatives of this suit supporting surface operations -- hard wiring isn't viable. Only works when everyone is nicely seated... I suspect wifi communications and high bandwidth connectivity will be standard on SpaceX spacecraft and future system advancements. We should plan to see high tech/modern communications and connectivity throughout their systems.
Can I say (again) that it really perturbs me to see (again) the assumption that clearly everyone who has ever done pressure suit work over the last 60 years has been a total idiot, and only Elon could figure out how to do it "right"? (Especially since a friend at SpaceX told me the process was pretty much picking a few interns at random and saying, "you're our space suit experts now - go design one, and it has to be kick-ass looking".) A launch and entry suit is a piece of life support equipment. It shouldn't be "form over function" or "function over form" - it should be "function." There's a place for esthetics after the functionality is maximized, but any sacrifice of functionality in favor of esthetics is just plain bad engineering.
Quote from: AncientU on 09/19/2017 07:28 pmQuote from: StuffOfInterest on 09/19/2017 02:54 pmQuote from: AncientU on 09/19/2017 02:48 pmJust curious, why a connector for comms? Aren't we a bit past that technology-wise?I would not want to rely on wireless for short-range comms. Better a hardline to avoid interference from the long range comms and any RF noise in the cabin. Too many things that could go wrong just to have one less connector.Being that there will already be a connector for air, I'd make that an umbilical that carries both air and comms through one connection.Considering mobility of say seven passengers on Dragon 2 (many more on ITSy) -- with derivatives of this suit supporting surface operations -- hard wiring isn't viable. Only works when everyone is nicely seated... I suspect wifi communications and high bandwidth connectivity will be standard on SpaceX spacecraft and future system advancements. We should plan to see high tech/modern communications and connectivity throughout their systems.The problem with wireless communications will be the power supply. Batteries would work, but flight suits usually don't have their own power.If adding batteries isn't a problem, you still want a wired connection if the wireless or batteries fail. Space is hard, so backup systems are needed.
Quote from: obi-wan on 09/19/2017 07:02 pmCan I say (again) that it really perturbs me to see (again) the assumption that clearly everyone who has ever done pressure suit work over the last 60 years has been a total idiot, and only Elon could figure out how to do it "right"? (Especially since a friend at SpaceX told me the process was pretty much picking a few interns at random and saying, "you're our space suit experts now - go design one, and it has to be kick-ass looking".) A launch and entry suit is a piece of life support equipment. It shouldn't be "form over function" or "function over form" - it should be "function." There's a place for esthetics after the functionality is maximized, but any sacrifice of functionality in favor of esthetics is just plain bad engineering.I kind of get this.However, since the suit already passed NASAs acceptance milestones, it is obviously functional. Additionally, the people we know were involved with the spacesuit are not interns: Garrett Reisman,Molly McCormick and Jason Tenenbaum.
Quote from: obi-wan on 09/19/2017 07:02 pm... (Especially since a friend at SpaceX told me the process was pretty much picking a few interns at random and saying, "you're our space suit experts now - go design one, and it has to be kick-ass looking".) ...However, since the suit already passed NASAs acceptance milestones, it is obviously functional. Additionally, the people we know were involved with the spacesuit are not interns: Garrett Reisman, Molly McCormick and Jason Tenenbaum.
... (Especially since a friend at SpaceX told me the process was pretty much picking a few interns at random and saying, "you're our space suit experts now - go design one, and it has to be kick-ass looking".) ...
Quote from: RonM on 09/19/2017 07:47 pmQuote from: AncientU on 09/19/2017 07:28 pmQuote from: StuffOfInterest on 09/19/2017 02:54 pmQuote from: AncientU on 09/19/2017 02:48 pmJust curious, why a connector for comms? Aren't we a bit past that technology-wise?I would not want to rely on wireless for short-range comms. Better a hardline to avoid interference from the long range comms and any RF noise in the cabin. Too many things that could go wrong just to have one less connector.Being that there will already be a connector for air, I'd make that an umbilical that carries both air and comms through one connection.Considering mobility of say seven passengers on Dragon 2 (many more on ITSy) -- with derivatives of this suit supporting surface operations -- hard wiring isn't viable. Only works when everyone is nicely seated... I suspect wifi communications and high bandwidth connectivity will be standard on SpaceX spacecraft and future system advancements. We should plan to see high tech/modern communications and connectivity throughout their systems.The problem with wireless communications will be the power supply. Batteries would work, but flight suits usually don't have their own power.If adding batteries isn't a problem, you still want a wired connection if the wireless or batteries fail. Space is hard, so backup systems are needed.Wired connections have as many failure modes as wireless... maybe more. Flight suits 'usually' ... need not apply.
Quote from: jpo234 on 09/19/2017 07:55 pmQuote from: obi-wan on 09/19/2017 07:02 pmCan I say (again) that it really perturbs me to see (again) the assumption that clearly everyone who has ever done pressure suit work over the last 60 years has been a total idiot, and only Elon could figure out how to do it "right"? (Especially since a friend at SpaceX told me the process was pretty much picking a few interns at random and saying, "you're our space suit experts now - go design one, and it has to be kick-ass looking".) A launch and entry suit is a piece of life support equipment. It shouldn't be "form over function" or "function over form" - it should be "function." There's a place for esthetics after the functionality is maximized, but any sacrifice of functionality in favor of esthetics is just plain bad engineering.I kind of get this.However, since the suit already passed NASAs acceptance milestones, it is obviously functional. Additionally, the people we know were involved with the spacesuit are not interns: Garrett Reisman,Molly McCormick and Jason Tenenbaum.No question that the suit has "passed NASA acceptance milestones" (which could include early design reviews), but do we in fact know that either the SpaceX or Boeing suits have been accepted by NASA as acceptable for flight operations? (In other words, finished and ready for flight rather than okay as a work in progress?)
Quote from: jpo234 on 09/19/2017 07:55 pmQuote from: obi-wan on 09/19/2017 07:02 pm... (Especially since a friend at SpaceX told me the process was pretty much picking a few interns at random and saying, "you're our space suit experts now - go design one, and it has to be kick-ass looking".) ...However, since the suit already passed NASAs acceptance milestones, it is obviously functional. Additionally, the people we know were involved with the spacesuit are not interns: Garrett Reisman, Molly McCormick and Jason Tenenbaum.Thanks for that video. Ms McCormick strikes me as:1. Incredibly intelligent and well versed in the issues of space suit design.2. Definitely not just "some intern."
Can I ask where you got the information that this is an outer shell over the pressure suit? It makes no sense to add a separate outer layer to a launch and entry suit - that would just complicate and extend the length of time required for ingress. Similarly, having to suit up and hook up to life support in an emergency (such as cabin depressurization) would be complicated by having to search for the umbilical connectors under a flap or within a pocket. To say nothing of the fact that the photos are of a fairly tight-fitting suit, and there is no indication of bumps or lumps under the surface showing connectors, body seal closures, wrist disconnects, helmet disconnect, etc.
Can I say (again) that it really perturbs me to see (again) the assumption that clearly everyone who has ever done pressure suit work over the last 60 years has been a total idiot, and only Elon could figure out how to do it "right"? (Especially since a friend at SpaceX told me the process was pretty much picking a few interns at random and saying, "you're our space suit experts now - go design one, and it has to be kick-ass looking".)
Quote from: woods170 on 09/11/2017 07:16 pmQuote from: NX-0 on 09/11/2017 06:41 pmIf there were no requirements, then perhaps there will be several colors to choose from. Perhaps the color could designate rank or a particular MOS.That said, I'd suggest avoiding the red one.LL&PRanks? Seriously? I think someone missed the joke. See the last line and signature. Note, as well, the forum name of the poster you're quoting. That might help.
Quote from: NX-0 on 09/11/2017 06:41 pmIf there were no requirements, then perhaps there will be several colors to choose from. Perhaps the color could designate rank or a particular MOS.That said, I'd suggest avoiding the red one.LL&PRanks? Seriously?
If there were no requirements, then perhaps there will be several colors to choose from. Perhaps the color could designate rank or a particular MOS.That said, I'd suggest avoiding the red one.LL&P
Maybe we should wait .......
Quote from: mme on 09/19/2017 09:02 pmQuote from: jpo234 on 09/19/2017 07:55 pmQuote from: obi-wan on 09/19/2017 07:02 pm... (Especially since a friend at SpaceX told me the process was pretty much picking a few interns at random and saying, "you're our space suit experts now - go design one, and it has to be kick-ass looking".) ...However, since the suit already passed NASAs acceptance milestones, it is obviously functional. Additionally, the people we know were involved with the spacesuit are not interns: Garrett Reisman, Molly McCormick and Jason Tenenbaum.Thanks for that video. Ms McCormick strikes me as:1. Incredibly intelligent and well versed in the issues of space suit design.2. Definitely not just "some intern."At the time of the video she was with Orbital Outfitters, but she is now Human Factors Engineer at SpaceX.
At the time of the video she was with Orbital Outfitters, but she is now Human Factors Engineer at SpaceX.