Author Topic: U.S. Air Force grounding all C-5 aircraft until repairs made - impact on NASA & others?  (Read 1757 times)

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No impacts to NASA or commercial.  Commercial does not use the C-5.
NASA uses the C-5 maybe once a year.  Right now, only JWST needs it for move from JSC to LAX later this year. GOES will need it on Nov.

DOD only needs it for a few special spacecraft. 

C-17 is mostly used. 

This is a non problem to the space industry. 
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No impacts to NASA or commercial.  Commercial does not use the C-5.
NASA uses the C-5 maybe once a year.  Right now, only JWST needs it for move from JSC to LAX later this year. GOES will need it on Nov.

DOD only needs it for a few special spacecraft. 

C-17 is mostly used. 

This is a non problem to the space industry.

Thank you Jim. I thought it was used more often than that.

Just out of interest what does commercial use then?
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Just out of interest what does commercial use then?

An-124.
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No impacts to NASA or commercial.  Commercial does not use the C-5.
NASA uses the C-5 maybe once a year.  Right now, only JWST needs it for move from JSC to LAX later this year. GOES will need it on Nov.

DOD only needs it for a few special spacecraft. 

C-17 is mostly used. 

This is a non problem to the space industry. 

I was out at JPL looking at Mars 2020 hardware and asked them how they will ship the finished vehicle to the Cape--it's going by truck, believe it or not.

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So did Galileo and it did not really helped with that antenna  ::)
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So did Galileo and it did not really helped with that antenna  ::)
The mode of transportation hsd nothing to do with the HGA rib getting stuck. It was more of the unexpected delay in the launch (3 years) and the fact no-one actually thought of checking that the lubricant for the HGA was still good during the downtime.
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I was out at JPL looking at Mars 2020 hardware and asked them how they will ship the finished vehicle to the Cape--it's going by truck, believe it or not.

The heat shield and aeroshell will come by C-17 out of Denver.

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Just out of interest what does commercial use then?

An-124.

And Antonov is being liquidated.

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Just out of interest what does commercial use then?

An-124.

And Antonov is being liquidated.

So what do the commercial operators do then, as it is not an easily replaceable asset for the space industry I would have thought?

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Just out of interest what does commercial use then?

An-124.

And Antonov is being liquidated.

So what do the commercial operators do then, as it is not an easily replaceable asset for the space industry I would have thought?

I don't know.  I could guess that the existing fleet will be maintainable (and maintained) for many years, but I don't know that's true.

There's also the 747-LCF fleet ("Dreamlifter").  There are four of them in regular use.  Perhaps they could be employed if necessasry.

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Just out of interest what does commercial use then?

An-124.

And Antonov is being liquidated.

So what do the commercial operators do then, as it is not an easily replaceable asset for the space industry I would have thought?

I don't know.  I could guess that the existing fleet will be maintainable (and maintained) for many years, but I don't know that's true.

There's also the 747-LCF fleet ("Dreamlifter").  There are four of them in regular use.  Perhaps they could be employed if necessasry.

What are the main factors stopping commercial space operators in the US from hiring USAF aircraft? Is this even possible?

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Just out of interest what does commercial use then?

An-124.

And Antonov is being liquidated.

So what do the commercial operators do then, as it is not an easily replaceable asset for the space industry I would have thought?

I don't know.  I could guess that the existing fleet will be maintainable (and maintained) for many years, but I don't know that's true.

There's also the 747-LCF fleet ("Dreamlifter").  There are four of them in regular use.  Perhaps they could be employed if necessasry.

What are the main factors stopping commercial space operators in the US from hiring USAF aircraft? Is this even possible?

The 747-LCFs aren't military.

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Just out of interest what does commercial use then?

An-124.

And Antonov is being liquidated.

So what do the commercial operators do then, as it is not an easily replaceable asset for the space industry I would have thought?

I don't know.  I could guess that the existing fleet will be maintainable (and maintained) for many years, but I don't know that's true.

There's also the 747-LCF fleet ("Dreamlifter").  There are four of them in regular use.  Perhaps they could be employed if necessasry.

What are the main factors stopping commercial space operators in the US from hiring USAF aircraft? Is this even possible?

The 747-LCFs aren't military.

I meant using C-17s or C-5s.

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What are the main factors stopping commercial space operators in the US from hiring USAF aircraft? Is this even possible?

If you're just asking if it's possible, it's certainly possible for a civilian agency (NASA) to use military assets (CCAFS/Eastern range, etc.).

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What are the main factors stopping commercial space operators in the US from hiring USAF aircraft? Is this even possible?

If you're just asking if it's possible, it's certainly possible for a civilian agency (NASA) to use military assets (CCAFS/Eastern range, etc.).

I meant commercial operators like Space X etc.

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Just out of interest what does commercial use then?

An-124.

And Antonov is being liquidated.

The fleet is healthy and there are strong operators

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Just out of interest what does commercial use then?

An-124.

And Antonov is being liquidated.

So what do the commercial operators do then, as it is not an easily replaceable asset for the space industry I would have thought?

I don't know.  I could guess that the existing fleet will be maintainable (and maintained) for many years, but I don't know that's true.

There's also the 747-LCF fleet ("Dreamlifter").  There are four of them in regular use.  Perhaps they could be employed if necessasry.

No, Boeing has made a point that they are not available for hire

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Just out of interest what does commercial use then?

An-124.

And Antonov is being liquidated.

So what do the commercial operators do then, as it is not an easily replaceable asset for the space industry I would have thought?

I don't know.  I could guess that the existing fleet will be maintainable (and maintained) for many years, but I don't know that's true.

There's also the 747-LCF fleet ("Dreamlifter").  There are four of them in regular use.  Perhaps they could be employed if necessasry.

What are the main factors stopping commercial space operators in the US from hiring USAF aircraft? Is this even possible?

Cost, that is why the Antonov gets all the business

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Just out of interest what does commercial use then?

An-124.

And Antonov is being liquidated.

So what do the commercial operators do then, as it is not an easily replaceable asset for the space industry I would have thought?

At least one Russian design bureau has shown a concept for a successor aircraft.

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,29282.0.html

The commercial market for outsize air freight is not large enough to support developing and building such an aircraft, so we'll have to wait for the Russian military to decide they want to replace the An-124.

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