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As volleys of sanctions are exchanged, will the specifically 'excluded' spaceflight activities be pulled into the fray?

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"SEC. 237. EXCEPTION RELATING TO ACTIVITIES OF THE NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION.

(a) In General.--This Act and the amendments made by this Act shall not apply with respect to activities of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

(b) Rule Of Construction.--Nothing in this Act or the amendments made by this Act shall be construed to authorize the imposition of any sanction or other condition, limitation, restriction, or prohibition, that directly or indirectly impedes the supply by any entity of the Russian Federation of any product or service, or the procurement of such product or service by any contractor or subcontractor of the United States or any other entity, relating to or in connection with any space launch conducted for--

(1) the National Aeronautics and Space Administration; or

(2) any other non-Department of Defense customer.

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Hawks poring over the U.S. sanctions say Moscow needs to break the rules. "It says that by no means shall sanctions apply to NASA projects," said Nikolay Platoshkin, a former Russian diplomat and professor at the Moscow University of the Humanities, referring to the bill passed by the Senate. "Here we go, a perfect tip, let them apply [to NASA], let American astronauts ride horses to the International Space Station."

http://nasawatch.com/archives/2017/07/did-the-us-just.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nasawatch%2FAekt+%28NASA+Watch%29

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Putin orders cut of 755 personnel at U.S. missions

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MOSCOW — Russian President Vladimir Putin said Sunday that the U.S. diplomatic missions in Moscow and elsewhere in the country will have to reduce their staffs by 755 people, signaling a significant escalation in the Russian response to American sanctions over the Kremlin’s intervention in the 2016 presidential election.

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“This is a landmark moment,” Andrei Kolesnikov, a journalist for the newspaper Kommersant who regularly travels with Putin and has interviewed him extensively over the past 17 years, told the Post in an interview Friday. “His patience has seriously run out, and everything that he’s been putting off in this conflict, he’s now going to do.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/putin-orders-cut-of-755-personnel-at-us-missions/2017/07/30/8a4b0044-7555-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.ba8060fa8ac0
« Last Edit: 07/31/2017 01:09 PM by AncientU »
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Re: Did The U.S. Just Suggest Russia Should Sanction NASA?
« Reply #1 on: 07/31/2017 01:20 PM »
So, does this mean no more RD-180's?  Or the engines that Orbital will use?
« Last Edit: 07/31/2017 03:35 PM by spacenut »

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Re: Did The U.S. Just Suggest Russia Should Sanction NASA?
« Reply #2 on: 07/31/2017 01:47 PM »
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Russian official on new US sanctions and NASA: “Nothing lasts forever”

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In its most recent round of sanctions, the US government took care to carve out exceptions for key industries, including aerospace. This allows the American rocket company United Launch Alliance to continue to procure RD-180 engines for its Altas V rocket, and for NASA to continue smooth relations with Russia for its partnership with the International Space Station. Three astronauts, from NASA, Italy, and Russia, launched aboard a Russian spacecraft Friday to the station.

However, Russia's chief space official, Dmitry Rogozin, warned Saturday that such a situation may not be tolerable forever. "They (the United States) have an interesting approach, they try not to harm areas in which they are interested," he said in a television interview. "They say that 'space is outside politics.' We take the 'space is outside politics' slogan into account, but nothing lasts forever."

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/07/russian-official-on-new-us-sanctions-and-nasa-nothing-lasts-forever/
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Re: Did The U.S. Just Suggest Russia Should Sanction NASA?
« Reply #3 on: 07/31/2017 03:16 PM »
Russian election interference, Wikileaks, etc .. .off topic unless you are quoting someone outside this forum that made a statement that directly impacts space policy. General discussion needs to be elsewhere. (my wall on Facebook is where I take that stuff)
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Re: Did The U.S. Just Suggest Russia Should Sanction NASA?
« Reply #4 on: 07/31/2017 04:37 PM »
seems to me the title is more clickbait than a serious question.  We exempt NASA activities because we recognize that our partnership in space is (or at least should be) long term and short term politics should not affect that.  Its not because its protecting our interests, its because we recognize that some interests are bigger than borders and who temporarily holds power. 

If the other side is reading the tea leaves the way the article says, however, it may come to pass sooner rather than later that this partnership is not viable any longer.  That would not be a surprise given our continuing decline into a my-way-or-the-highway state of mind on almost any given topic.
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Re: Did The U.S. Just Suggest Russia Should Sanction NASA?
« Reply #5 on: 07/31/2017 04:42 PM »
So, does this mean no more RD-180's?  Or the engines that Orbital will use?

So far, no mention of engines in the Russian statements that I've seen. 
Above are two mentions of rides to ISS... from Rogozin and Platoshkin.
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Re: Did The U.S. Just Suggest Russia Should Sanction NASA?
« Reply #6 on: 08/01/2017 12:12 AM »
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Russia could target entities exempt from the effects of the US sanctions bill, such as the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). Russia may cancel the supply of RD-180 engines to the US or collaboration on the International Space Station (ISS).

http://www.barrons.com/articles/russia-expels-u-s-diplomatswhats-next-1501516630
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Re: Did The U.S. Just Suggest Russia Should Sanction NASA?
« Reply #7 on: 09/03/2017 04:31 AM »
This week, Trump administration officials ordered Russia to shutter its consulate in San Francisco and offices in Washington and New York. The country has 48 hours to comply. There also was an inspection of the SF facility which was made with no Russian personnel present.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has threatened a “tough response,” and he suggested the move would further “spoil our relations with the United States.”

There is no specificity as to what that response might entail, but I worry about where this could lead.

Full WaPo article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/09/01/heres-how-the-diplomatic-tit-for-tat-between-russia-and-the-u-s-unfolded/?deferJs=true&outputType=default-article&utm_term=.21dbfc16e601

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