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Older Space SciFi Worthy of Reboot
« on: 07/21/2017 04:30 AM »
I'm curious to know which older space sci-fi that people might want to see rebooted or brought back in a more updated form. What older sci-fi would you pick, and what changes would you like for the reboot?

I was just thinking about Space:1999 recently, and thought that might be worthy of a reboot - with a suitably updated title, of course - especially since there's increasing focus on spaceflight activity for the Moon in real life. Perhaps this would make a rebooted show more topical and current.

The thing with reboots is that they often end up re-working significant portions of the original plot premise, to stay in tune with contemporary audiences (or to conveniently shoehorn/retrofit some vaguely useful script onto the original story brand)

I was thinking that a Space:1999 reboot would not have the Moon leaving the solar system, but would instead revolve around geopolitical intrigue centered on a fight over the Moon, which is suddenly discovered to have some extremely valuable resources, including particularly some kind of "unobtainium" (eg. Helium-3?)
Moonbase Alpha would be a sprawling scientific research station established by international collaboration and hosting a variety of international participants.

What the reboot would retain from the original would be the iconic Eagle spacecraft, while also featuring other newer and interesting types of spacecraft. A reboot would perhaps be set in the year 2039.

What other space sci-fi might be worth rebooting, and how?
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« Reply #1 on: 07/21/2017 10:57 AM »
FWIW, I started plotting out a reboot of Space: 1999 (called Space: 2099) that had some elements of Christopher Nolan's Intersteallar and Star Trek - Deep Space Nine. The 'Meta' object turns out to be some kind of exotic matter asteroid on a collision course with Earth. When detonated by leaving all the nuclear waste in its path, it creates a wormhole entrance in near-Earth space (maybe at the EML4 or EML5 point).

From there on, you have ships from Earth and the moon going through the wormhole to see what's on the other side. As a somewhat- arbitrary constraint, the wormhole is only semi-stable and the far end relocates randomly every few weeks, leaving the protagonists only a limited time to explore the system on the far end before the wormhole shifts and anyone still on the far end would be marooned.

I had thought of three running themes:

1) A fusion with UFO with the aliens (whom I arbitrarily named 'Zetans') coming for a second shot at Earth;
2) There is a Earth spacecraft marooned in the first system the wormhole led to which is relatively close to Earth (Epsilon Erandi, perhaps); work is underway to try to develop a FTL drive to mount a rescue mission (reference to both the Voyager neutron beam drive and the Super Swift warp drive in Space: 1999);
3) It just turns out that some of Earth's neighbours (the Dorcans, a major interstellar empire charcterised by the exploitation of other species in various horrible ways, introduced at the end of season 2 of Space: 1999) are beginning to sniff around with less-than-friendly intentions. There would be the possibility of a 'The enemy of my enemy...' alliance-of-desperation with the Zetans in the long term.

UFO could also profitably be rebooted, especially if concepts used in the X-COM reboot games could be licensed for use.

I also think that you could also reboot Lost in Space by merging it somewhat with Passengers - The Robinsons, Major West and Dr Smith have been awoken early (was it a malfunction or was it Dr Smith's sabotage at work?) and must survive until the main ship (which would be a relativistic colony ship like the Lenora Christine in Tau Zero) arrives at it's colonial destination many decades in the future. As most of the ship's stores are inaccessible, they have to occasionally do fly-by visits to habitable worlds to pick up supplies to keep them going. Of course, the far lower Isp of the Jupiter-II heavy lander (think of a merger between the Ranger and Lander from Interstellar) means that they need to leave at a particular time to catch up with and dock with the main ship in a reasonable time-frame.

Naturally, eventually, they'd miss an window and you'd end up with a few episodes, maybe even a fair chunk of a season, that is entirely the Jupiter-II at a full burn to catch up with the main ship (something that could take years, shipboard time) with the crew having 'show in a can' adventures on the shuttle when Robot periodically wakes them up to do maintenance tasks as well as ensure that their health isn't being impacted by long stays in the short-duration cryo-stasis system on the shuttle, which was never intended to work for as long as the more advanced models on the main ship.
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« Reply #2 on: 07/21/2017 11:02 AM »
I'd like to see the Half-Life 2 sci-fi game rebooted, according to modern technology. But probably will never happen.

Other than that? Space Odyssey rebooted, with a mission around Saturn instead of Jupiter.

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« Reply #3 on: 07/21/2017 07:43 PM »
FWIW, I started plotting out a reboot of Space: 1999 (called Space: 2099) that had some elements of Christopher Nolan's Intersteallar and Star Trek - Deep Space Nine.

Brilliant.

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« Reply #4 on: 07/21/2017 07:53 PM »
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Re: Older Space SciFi Worthy of Reboot
« Reply #5 on: 07/21/2017 07:57 PM »
It would be nice to see a film / TV reworking of The Silver Locusts / Martian Chronicles. The 1980's Rock Hudson version was / still is brilliant but I always felt it lacked a bit of the poetry that the book conveyed.

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« Reply #6 on: 07/22/2017 12:49 AM »
I also keep thinking of Space 1999 reboots, and like a lot of posts here Im always thinking about how a hardSF tv series could work.

For Space 1999 I had a couple of ideas that I admit are not very hard SF.

---(1)---
The first was just to replace the astronomically implausible notion of an explosion that sends the moon carreening through space to orbit a different earthlike planet every week. The show had such great somewhat plausible models, and potential for all round plausibility, then they gave it to the pilot and he threw it out the window.

A minimal change would be to just say "It was aliens". It is a cop out, a blatant plot generator like the stargate, but then everything else could plausible human technology. I was thinking that the collision that formed the moon from the earth could have been with some huge almost indestructable alien machine, say 100km across, and the moon formed around it. Humans find it and this triggers a vast international scientific project, with bases from different nations sort of like Antarctica. There is also a lot of political intrigue and suspicion of spies embedded in the teams.

Our alien plot generator gets triggered, and the moon begins to jump to unknown destinations, similar to the stargate plot generator. It always replaces a singularity or other body of the same mass at the destination, so the destination is not disrupted by the gravity.

So you actually have 3 plot generators:
(1) The stargate plot generator
(2) Alien secrets still hidden within the moon itself.
(3) All the cooperation and intrigue between the various bases that are now cut off from earth.

---(2)---
The second idea could be slipped into (1). What if it was a parallel earth that found this alien artifact, not us. Suddenly the moon in our sky is replaced with a colonised one. The culture on that moon is pretty much the present day as envisioned by people in the 1970s. There would be some comedy, with 1970s culture next to ours, but also they would represent what we could have been. They were the ones that made it.

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« Reply #7 on: 07/22/2017 07:11 AM »
Even though the original was close to perfect, I always thought that a Destination Moon remake with modern special effects would be pretty cool (assuming it was done right).

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« Reply #8 on: 07/23/2017 01:26 AM »
Space: Above and Beyond.  Originally planned to run 5 seasons but cancelled after only one due to poor ratings.
I liked it and I thought it had great potential.  Rebooted with 20 year newer technology it might be a winner.

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« Reply #9 on: 07/23/2017 01:55 AM »
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. Just do it already!

(There have been several efforts to either bring it to the big screen or TV, all abandoned. You can even find Tim Minear's TV script online.)

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« Reply #10 on: 07/23/2017 11:56 AM »
I also keep thinking of Space 1999 reboots, and like a lot of posts here Im always thinking about how a hardSF tv series could work.

For Space 1999 I had a couple of ideas that I admit are not very hard SF.

---(1)---
The first was just to replace the astronomically implausible notion of an explosion that sends the moon carreening through space to orbit a different earthlike planet every week. The show had such great somewhat plausible models, and potential for all round plausibility, then they gave it to the pilot and he threw it out the window.

A minimal change would be to just say "It was aliens". It is a cop out, a blatant plot generator like the stargate, but then everything else could plausible human technology. I was thinking that the collision that formed the moon from the earth could have been with some huge almost indestructable alien machine, say 100km across, and the moon formed around it. Humans find it and this triggers a vast international scientific project, with bases from different nations sort of like Antarctica. There is also a lot of political intrigue and suspicion of spies embedded in the teams.

Our alien plot generator gets triggered, and the moon begins to jump to unknown destinations, similar to the stargate plot generator. It always replaces a singularity or other body of the same mass at the destination, so the destination is not disrupted by the gravity.

So you actually have 3 plot generators:
(1) The stargate plot generator
(2) Alien secrets still hidden within the moon itself.
(3) All the cooperation and intrigue between the various bases that are now cut off from earth.

---(2)---
The second idea could be slipped into (1). What if it was a parallel earth that found this alien artifact, not us. Suddenly the moon in our sky is replaced with a colonised one. The culture on that moon is pretty much the present day as envisioned by people in the 1970s. There would be some comedy, with 1970s culture next to ours, but also they would represent what we could have been. They were the ones that made it.

Gee, I like yours and BenTheSpaceBrit's ideas better than mine.  :D
You both should come up with a plot synopsis for a pilot episode.

I too had thought about Alien_Technology™ being hidden inside the Moon - perhaps even deep below Moonbase Alpha itself - and that could even be the Big Secret - the hidden reason why the Moonbase was established, with nearly everybody on Earth being kept in the dark about this.

Your idea of connecting it with the collision that originally formed the Moon sounds cool. That would make for a very large and nearly-indestructible alien spacecraft/structure.
Alternatively, using the other origin theory of the Moon having been a wandering satellite that was captured by Earth's gravity, could then make for Space1999-in-reverse (ie. a Moon that had previously wandered through other solar systems and perhaps collected various things from them) It also creates the possibility that the Moon somehow selected the Earth as a destination, perhaps deliberately sent to Earth with the goal of fostering life/intelligence (a la 2001 monolith)

Having a large alien spaceship/structure embedded inside the bowels of the Moon reminds me a bit of that old movie Forbidden Planet, which featured highly advanced technology hidden deep underground by a lost civilization.

Maybe investigation/examination of the Alien Technology beneath the Moonbase inadvertently triggers some signal/beacon, which then summons who-knows-what from parts unknown. Or maybe it accidentally triggers some kind of doomsday device, or awakens a bunch of frozen aliens who have their own agenda.


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« Reply #11 on: 07/23/2017 01:02 PM »
 A lot of the "Juvenile" Heinlein stuff could make nice movies. "Tunnel in the Sky" could be re-imagined in quite exciting style. "Podkayne of Mars" is one I always think of, too, especially when everyone is talking about these ITS ships going back and forth. "Citizen of the Galaxy" could be done as a great epic... All of the Tom Corbett books have wild plots worth rehashing.
 But, and this is a Big But for me, I am not a big fan of the over-blown, modern special effects and shallowness of character-development, IMHO, in modern films; so I would hate to have my mental image of one of S-F's classics ruined by a poor job... but, you never know- it could turn out fine! I'm quirky- I much prefer the classic Godzilla to the modern big-budget ones.
 We've had a lot of Mars films lately, so maybe the Moon could get back in the game; yes, Blackstar's right: MIAHM would potentially be awesome and a plot where we just have to have a Mercury exploration for some wild reason would be nice, too!---Asimov had the super-neat "Lucky Starr" stuff that would be fun to see, not to mention early Ben Bova.
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« Reply #12 on: 07/23/2017 10:22 PM »
Space: Above and Beyond.  Originally planned to run 5 seasons but cancelled after only one due to poor ratings.
I liked it and I thought it had great potential.  Rebooted with 20 year newer technology it might be a winner.

Wish there was a Blu Ray of this.

I'd pay real money to see a faithful adaptation of Starship Troopers.  Or Have Spacesuit Will Travel.
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« Reply #13 on: 07/24/2017 05:44 AM »
Space: Above and Beyond.  Originally planned to run 5 seasons but cancelled after only one due to poor ratings.
I liked it and I thought it had great potential.  Rebooted with 20 year newer technology it might be a winner.

Wish there was a Blu Ray of this.

I'd pay real money to see a faithful adaptation of Starship Troopers.  Or Have Spacesuit Will Travel.

There was a CG-animated series adaptation of Starship Troopers, called Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles. It had the power-armor, Marauders and everything.

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« Reply #14 on: 07/24/2017 06:59 AM »
I watched all of it on my GP2X.
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« Reply #15 on: 07/24/2017 11:46 AM »
Just remembered this one:

Could we justify Edgar Rice Burroughs' Barsoom with just a bit of time travel?

Or to put it another way, how Barsoom-like could Mars have been at the very beginning, when it very possibly had oceans, a thicker atmosphere and more oxygen than today? That is really the question I want to delve into.

(The method of travel to Mars was clearly just a plot enabler. The hero travels there in a drug induced dream from memory. It could easily have been through time as well as space. I think there was only one mention of telescopes on Mars seeing people on earth. Apart from that there was no interactions between the planets. Time travel could also explain human-like martians alongside more alien varieties. Humans from earth could have been scattered across various time periods, some far enough to have evolved significantly to the planet, others differing by little more than skin color.)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_ocean_hypothesis
Earth 4000 million years ago

I thought of an addition to this idea afterwards. This could tie into the H.G. Wells war of the worlds book also. The gate back to Mars could create a paradox that traps the martian civilisation on Mars, because if they had advanced to colonise the solar system present day earth could not exist in its current form.

In some ways they are very advanced, but they are also strangely stunted technologically by this paradox leading to magical technology but never mastering open ended colonisation or even a truely global economy. The adventure could encompass the entire ancient solar system but everything they do eventually is wiped out by catastrophe and conflict.

To escape this trap, martian warlord scheme to bury their tripod war machines, built to last a 4 billion year sleep, and simultaneously strive to infiltrate Earth through the gates to destroy them, breaking the paradox trap, at which point the war of the worlds would begin. Some sort of "League of extraordinary Gentlemen" fight these infiltrators with steampunk-style technology reverse engineered from martian tech.

The series would never actually show the war. I's beginning would probably be the end of the series. There would just be lots of foreshadowing.
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« Reply #16 on: 07/24/2017 11:57 AM »
In Alan Dean Foster's Moore's second 'The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen', the story starts with the final battle of a Barsoom/Mars world war with the Wells Martians (aka the 'Crustaceans') being driven off the planet by a coalition of all the planet's other intelligent species that were being led by John Carter.


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« Reply #17 on: 07/24/2017 12:21 PM »
Sounds cool. I honestly hadn't heard of that. Only thing I know about "League of extraordinary gentlemen" was the movie. Do you mean Alan Moore? I liked his "Ballad of Halo Jones" also. (Which stole a bit from "Forever war")
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« Reply #18 on: 07/24/2017 12:30 PM »
Most of my sci-fi favourites haven't ever been given film or TV treatment (to my knowledge) so I'm not sure they'd class as re-boots.  A few that spring to mind:
- The Moon's a Harsh Mistress (has been mentioned above)
- Rendezvous with Rama
- Eon, Greg Bear
- Downbelow Station, CJ Cherryh

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« Reply #19 on: 07/24/2017 12:48 PM »
Gerry Anderson's 'UFO' almost got a reboot in the early 2010's - even had a pretty flash-looking website for awhile. But that site is now defunct. If written, cast and directed well; I still think it would make a formidable film trilogy (which was the plan in 2009):  http://www.starburstmagazine.com/movie-news/4304-movie-news-ufo-film-still-a-go

Something else I'd like to see done someday is a 'When World's Collide' remake. Astronomers reckon that there may be thousands of rogue planets wandering the galaxy. Having one on course to hit the Earth or Moon would seriously muck things up! A race to build an Ark or couple of Arks for humans could be a dramatic story if scripted and directed well. In the original film and novels; I think it was actually a pair of worlds that came blundering into our inner solar system - a big, frozen Earth-like world and it's big moon or smaller planetoid. One of them hits the Earth and the other slips into a stable orbit a little nearer the Sun. The people on the Arks make for the new world that is thawing out after millions of years in deep space. It has, somewhat conveniently I suppose, an Earthlike atmosphere once it starts thawing.

The Ark colonists have to survive on the high-ground of an icy world - which will stay that way for a couple hundred years until it thaws out. They find the remnants of a long-dead civilization and technologies that will help them.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Worlds_Collide_(1951_film)
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« Reply #20 on: 07/24/2017 03:15 PM »
I also keep thinking of Space 1999 reboots, and like a lot of posts here Im always thinking about how a hardSF tv series could work.

For Space 1999 I had a couple of ideas that I admit are not very hard SF.

---(1)---
The first was just to replace the astronomically implausible notion of an explosion that sends the moon carreening through space to orbit a different earthlike planet every week. The show had such great somewhat plausible models, and potential for all round plausibility, then they gave it to the pilot and he threw it out the window.

A minimal change would be to just say "It was aliens". It is a cop out, a blatant plot generator like the stargate, but then everything else could plausible human technology. I was thinking that the collision that formed the moon from the earth could have been with some huge almost indestructable alien machine, say 100km across, and the moon formed around it. Humans find it and this triggers a vast international scientific project, with bases from different nations sort of like Antarctica. There is also a lot of political intrigue and suspicion of spies embedded in the teams.

Our alien plot generator gets triggered, and the moon begins to jump to unknown destinations, similar to the stargate plot generator. It always replaces a singularity or other body of the same mass at the destination, so the destination is not disrupted by the gravity.

So you actually have 3 plot generators:
(1) The stargate plot generator
(2) Alien secrets still hidden within the moon itself.
(3) All the cooperation and intrigue between the various bases that are now cut off from earth.

---(2)---
The second idea could be slipped into (1). What if it was a parallel earth that found this alien artifact, not us. Suddenly the moon in our sky is replaced with a colonised one. The culture on that moon is pretty much the present day as envisioned by people in the 1970s. There would be some comedy, with 1970s culture next to ours, but also they would represent what we could have been. They were the ones that made it.

Gee, I like yours and BenTheSpaceBrit's ideas better than mine.  :D
You both should come up with a plot synopsis for a pilot episode.

I too had thought about Alien_Technology™ being hidden inside the Moon - perhaps even deep below Moonbase Alpha itself - and that could even be the Big Secret - the hidden reason why the Moonbase was established, with nearly everybody on Earth being kept in the dark about this.

Your idea of connecting it with the collision that originally formed the Moon sounds cool. That would make for a very large and nearly-indestructible alien spacecraft/structure.
Alternatively, using the other origin theory of the Moon having been a wandering satellite that was captured by Earth's gravity, could then make for Space1999-in-reverse (ie. a Moon that had previously wandered through other solar systems and perhaps collected various things from them) It also creates the possibility that the Moon somehow selected the Earth as a destination, perhaps deliberately sent to Earth with the goal of fostering life/intelligence (a la 2001 monolith)

Having a large alien spaceship/structure embedded inside the bowels of the Moon reminds me a bit of that old movie Forbidden Planet, which featured highly advanced technology hidden deep underground by a lost civilization.

Maybe investigation/examination of the Alien Technology beneath the Moonbase inadvertently triggers some signal/beacon, which then summons who-knows-what from parts unknown. Or maybe it accidentally triggers some kind of doomsday device, or awakens a bunch of frozen aliens who have their own agenda.

I personally prefer a science experiment screw up.

      Someone was testing an experimental warp drive.  It had previously been tested in a lab near Gila Bend Arizona, now known as the Gila Bend Crater, for self explanatory reasons.

      While the initial experiment was a disaster, enough data was gotten to prove that there was a lot of promise in this drive approach, but there appeared to be a bad interaction with the Earth's magnetic field.  Rather than risk another incident like this, it was decided to try the experiment on the far side of the moon, in case of another such incident.

      Unfortunately, the accident wasn't just because of an interaction with Earth's magnetic field, but also with it's gravity.  Isolated on the moon, with no real magnetic field to speak of, the drive essentially enveloped the entire moon, warping past Earth, (As the moon, it's mass and nearby stations and spacecraft were essentially outside of normal time/space, the effects of the moon's disappearance would only take effect years later) into interstellar space.

      Once the drive is deactivated, it is determined that they are on course towards another solar system.  after running the numbers, they find, by warping towards the star system, ans using the gravity of the system, they can steer a course back to the solar system.  But, they will have to steer the moon through a long wide loop, taking thousands of light years of travel, and dozens of solar system pass throughs, and decades of travel, to get back home.

      At least that's how I'd write it...
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« Reply #21 on: 07/24/2017 03:39 PM »
Believe it or not; E.C. Tubb's standalone Space:1999 novel has plot elements fairly close to what you said:

https://randall120.wordpress.com/2013/02/14/ffb-space-1999-earthfall-e-c-tubb/
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« Reply #22 on: 07/24/2017 05:09 PM »

I'd pay real money to see a faithful adaptation of Starship Troopers.  Or Have Spacesuit Will Travel.

There was a CG-animated series adaptation of Starship Troopers, called Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles. It had the power-armor, Marauders and everything.

I saw an episode or two on TV back in the day.  Maybe I should get the DVDs.  The CG was pretty primitive, as I recall.
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« Reply #23 on: 07/24/2017 06:59 PM »
Space: Above and Beyond.  Originally planned to run 5 seasons but cancelled after only one due to poor ratings.
I liked it and I thought it had great potential.  Rebooted with 20 year newer technology it might be a winner.

It was mocked as "Space: 90210" at the time. They'd have to fix that youth-centric angst problem if they want it to be taken seriously.

I'd nominate "UFO" be redone. There was talk of it for a while a few years ago, but it seems to have died. "UFO Season 2" turned into "Space: 1999", so some sort of hybrid UFO/Space: 1999 series could work, as long as they get rid of the purple wigs and fishnet uniforms. "Independence Day: Resurgence" sort of approached this, with its moonbase defense system.

I'm actually surprised no one has remade "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" (the movie) yet, and changed the 'Van Allen Belts On Fire' plot to some global warming catastrophe that only the Seaview can thwart.

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« Reply #24 on: 07/24/2017 11:06 PM »
 Man, They just showed the VTTBOTS episode where the Clown takes over the Seaview and turns the crew into wax...I bit my lip a few times from laughing too hard! :D

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« Reply #26 on: 07/25/2017 12:10 AM »
I actually enjoyed "The Starlost" when it was on.



It had a young Keir Dullea (of 2001: A Space Odyssey fame), and was originally created by famed writer Harlan Ellison. Unfortunately Ellison had a falling out with the production, but it was a great premise at the time. The series was also going to use a camera system called "Magicam", developed by the then-young Doug Trumbull, which was computer controlled, but unfortunately it was too far ahead of it's time to work. Obviously too many "unfortunately's" cut the production short...
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« Reply #27 on: 07/25/2017 10:46 AM »
The Starlost also had sci-fi author and aerospace engineer Ben Bova as a technical advisor to the show (he likewise quit along with Ellison)

The show was ambitious in its vision and concept:



Bova later wrote The Starcrossed, a humorous satirical novel about an engineer working as a technical advisor on a sci-fi show, forced to deal with Hollywood types who keep messing up the show. The novel is said to have captured his frustrations in working on The Starlost.

The Starlost has recently been revived as a comic book, under Ellison's original title, Phoenix Without Ashes:

http://strangersandaliens.com/2012/04/comics-review-harlan-ellisons-phoenix-without-ashes/
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« Reply #28 on: 07/25/2017 02:10 PM »
Space: Above and Beyond.  Originally planned to run 5 seasons but cancelled after only one due to poor ratings.
I liked it and I thought it had great potential.  Rebooted with 20 year newer technology it might be a winner.
The show had potential and I remember liking it at the time. I also remember it was all over the place, the writers just threw every sci-fi trope they thought of in the show. There were shape shifting aliens, evil androids, genetically engineered humans, a shadowy government conspiracy, and in one episode a character found out she was psychic. Were it to be remade today I think it would benefit greatly from tighter more consistent writing. It might be difficult to keep it from being to close to the remade Battlestar Galactica.

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« Reply #29 on: 08/03/2017 10:42 AM »
FWIW, I got the impression that the real issue with S:AaB was that the scriptwriters were having a real difficulty in understanding and communicating the meta-plot to the audience in a comprehensible way that still maintained interest. The last few episodes had a string of 'wham' reveals that turned the show on its head but were handled so clumsily that you got the impression that the producers had realised audience interest was waning and had decided to drop all the twists into the show in a panicked attempt to save it.
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« Reply #30 on: 08/03/2017 11:53 AM »
The recent attempted Space 1999 reboot called Space 2099 was axed before it even got very far into production.
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« Reply #31 on: 08/04/2017 09:29 PM »

      Once the drive is deactivated, it is determined that they are on course towards another solar system.  after running the numbers, they find, by warping towards the star system, ans using the gravity of the system, they can steer a course back to the solar system.  But, they will have to steer the moon through a long wide loop, taking thousands of light years of travel, and dozens of solar system pass throughs, and decades of travel, to get back home.

      At least that's how I'd write it...

Sounds like Tau Zero, which would be my vote.

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« Reply #32 on: 08/04/2017 09:59 PM »
A couple of reboots that I would watch would be:

Star Cops https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Cops

A series based on Enemy Mine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_Mine_(film)

Something based in Iain M. Banks culture universe, although that would be a boot, rather than a reboot.

And if we are going to allow boots then a series based around House of Suns by Alastair Reynolds could be amazing.

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« Reply #33 on: 08/11/2017 11:13 AM »
The Mouse on the Moon - A satire of space exploration and the motives behind it. On a technical perspective, this was a very interesting in that it anticipated the emergence of electric propulsion in its low-thrust/high-energy transfer stage (the Grand Fenwickian spacecraft needed to spend weeks transferring to Lunar orbit due to the nature of its propellent and the limitations of the tiny principality's ability to manufacture engines that could handle high chamber pressures). A high-thrust mode was available but only at the cost of fuel efficiency and safety.

Other interesting technical features: Like most 1950s-1960s fiction, TMotM anticipated a direct descent/direct ascent mission profile. The Grand Fenwickian spacecraft also used propulsive Earth EDL; the high potential energy of the local spirits being sufficient to give the spacecraft an enormous potential dV reserve.

IMO, it could be usefully rewritten as a satire of the 'race' between government and commercial space to carry out BEO space-flight. Especially if you put a SpaceX expy in the place of the Soviet Union, who, in the original film, jump-start the Grand Fenwickians' plans by giving them an R7 to use as a launch vehicle.

Another political thread that a script-writer could pull is the Grand Fenwickians' shameless embezzlement of international relief aid funds to support their space program. This is especially relevant to a Brit like myself; there are criticisms in some quarters of British international aid recipients (like India) having an advanced space program and you could use such a story to explore both sides of this argument through satirical comedy.
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« Reply #34 on: 08/30/2017 02:51 AM »
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1898 Unauthorized sequel to the Wells The War of the World's serialized in newspapers. A world devastated by the Martian invasion realizes there may be a second attempt and mounts a counterattack to conquer Mars lead by Thomas Edison and a cast including many real people.

This is an amazing book for being so obscure. It's the ultimate SteamPunk SciFi. It actually has a major place in the history of the genre for being the first to describe all sorts of space tropes. It gets more of the science right than much later science fiction. It practically single handedly invents the space opera decades before Buck Rogers.

A big budget movie. Like the Wild Wild West but in space, and more charmingly actually written in the Victorian era so it has that part down perfectly.

I find it very readable and entertaining.
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« Reply #35 on: 09/10/2017 03:46 AM »
I've had a concept for an anthology series, set in a common universe, for decades:

"Larry Niven's Tales of Known Space"

Set your stories in Niven's Known Space universe.  Jump around, perhaps, from Kzanol the Slaver, to the Pak, to Gil the ARM, to Jerryberry Jansen, and then to Beowulf Schaeffer.  Pull in some of the stories from the Man-Kzin Wars series.  Add new stories from different writers, using some of Niven's characters, or their own, but based in Known Space.

Do a set of mini-series to end each season, each consisting of one of the Ringworld novels.

CGI lets you do Pierson's Puppeteers, Kzinti and Outsiders with real flair nowadays.

And hey, you can fix the "exploding Galactic core" mcguffin by making it an expanding wave-front of radiation and particles generated by a galactic core supermassive black hole merger.  (It's been observed that some galaxies appear to have multiple SMBHs at their cores; it's inevitable you would get energetic mergers over the lifetime of a galaxy.)

It would take a decade to run out of stories taken directly from Niven's own works, but the format lets you include additions to Known Space from other gifted writers.  A win-win that SyFy has been ignoring for decades.

As for taking individual novels and making mini-series or simple movies out of them, I'd love to see "Autopsy for a Cosmonaut" made into a film, and perhaps an update to "Marooned", this time perhaps having the sole maintenance guy on a Bigelow commercial habitat get into trouble, requiring rescue by, I dunno, an as-yet-unflown Dream Chaser crew variant that gets launched through the eye of a hurricane...?  :)
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« Reply #36 on: 09/10/2017 04:44 AM »
Niven's Man-Kzin Wars reminds me a lot of Wing Commander and its Kilrathi antagonists  -- yeah, I know, Niven was first. (Mark Hamill's Commander Blair was his best sci-fi role after Luke Skywalker and Batman's Joker.)

Given the high-quality results of series done by HBO, like Game of Thrones, I think this the new format to beat, because it lasts longer than a mere 2-hour movie and so it's more satisfying. Apparently, Jeff Bezos is very adamant that Amazon TV come up with their own Game of Thrones level of hit, so that he can gain more market share. (Their adaptation of Philip K Dick's The Man in the High Castle has been very popular, and is worth checking out on Amazon, if you haven't seen it yet.) A Space Opera might be a good genre for them to try.
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« Reply #37 on: 09/10/2017 05:02 AM »
Niven's Man-Kzin Wars reminds me a lot of Wing Commander and its Kilrathi antagonists  -- yeah, I know, Niven was first. (Mark Hamill's Commander Blair was his best sci-fi role after Luke Skywalker and Batman's Joker.)

Wing Commander itself is worthy of reboot. In any media - and lets just pretend like the Freddie Prinze movie was never made.
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« Reply #38 on: 09/10/2017 05:57 AM »
A couple of reboots that I would watch would be:

Star Cops https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Cops

A series based on Enemy Mine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_Mine_(film)

Something based in Iain M. Banks culture universe, although that would be a boot, rather than a reboot.

And if we are going to allow boots then a series based around House of Suns by Alastair Reynolds could be amazing.

I'd definitely like to see a reboot of star cops - realistic police procedural in space.
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« Reply #39 on: 09/10/2017 08:18 PM »
One possible way to salvage the 'John Carter of Mars' tale would be to move the whole thing from the 19th to the 29th century.  Timeline would run -

2050-2300 - Mars terraformed.

2300-2500 - Massive numbers of colonists sent from Earth to Mars, while at the same time earth governments grow increasingly unstable (energy/resource/climate issues0

2500-2800 - Partial collapse of civilization on both Earth and Mars.

2900 - New civilizations on Earth and Mars, often dictatorial/monarchial.  Fossil fuel tech is pretty much out, giving things a steampunk type feel.  A handful of old 'super-tech' spaceships and other items linger, permitting contact between Earth and Mars. 

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« Reply #40 on: 09/10/2017 08:35 PM »
Anything by C.J.Cherryh, especially any episode from the Corporate Wars Union/Alliance Series, which are old-school space opera.  I always thought "Heavy Time" would make a good movie.

Considering how well "Avatar" came out, somebody with deep pockets might attempt the "Foreigner" series, but that is probably too intellectual for the movie public.

The Gaea trilogy by John Varley.  Serious special effects required - on the order of "Lord of the Rings".

Not exactly "Old Space" but a sequel to "Europa Report" might be good.

Absolutely not "Space 1999".   Go read Isaac Asimov's review of that.   And "alien of the week" is such a hackneyed TV plot device.
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« Reply #41 on: 09/11/2017 07:43 AM »
Space 1999 wasn't alien-of-the-week in the first season. It was the second season where the producers/writers lost their marbles - that's when the cast of the show expressed their misgivings about all of it, while veteran stage actor Barry Morse simply left.

I'd like to see Robotech done as a live-action series, with an HBO-style big budget. Or maybe Heavy Gear, or the Jovian Chronicles.

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« Reply #42 on: 09/11/2017 07:57 AM »
First season Space: 1999 was not too bad - but even in those days watching as a kid I knew some of the science was suspect. If it were rebooted - an actual science advisor or set of writers who know reasonable science and drama could make a decent fist of it. Set the show in '2099' to get around the prematurely advanced tech the Eagle ships and the Moonbase had.

And: many of the novelizations were better than the show scripts - because real science fiction writers like Brian Aldiss, EC Tubb and John Rankine 'tweaked' them and improved them. It wouldn't have to BE Space: 1999 rebooted - just based on Space:1999...
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« Reply #43 on: 09/12/2017 03:33 AM »
I will also toss in Lois McMaster Bujold's Vorkosiverse.  Bujold cut her teeth on Trek fan fiction (among many other things), and writes in nice, tight little scenes that just beg to be translated into scripts.

Though, thinking about it, a series that features a hyperactive dwarf imposing his will by sheer force of personality might not go over especially well in this just-show-us-perfect-looking-people society.  Perhaps, although they are not as much my taste, her Spirit Ring series would be more appreciated by the Game of Thrones crowd...
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« Reply #44 on: 09/12/2017 12:08 PM »
First season Space: 1999 was not too bad - but even in those days watching as a kid I knew some of the science was suspect. If it were rebooted - an actual science advisor or set of writers who know reasonable science and drama could make a decent fist of it. Set the show in '2099' to get around the prematurely advanced tech the Eagle ships and the Moonbase had.

And: many of the novelizations were better than the show scripts - because real science fiction writers like Brian Aldiss, EC Tubb and John Rankine 'tweaked' them and improved them. It wouldn't have to BE Space: 1999 rebooted - just based on Space:1999...

I think the reason that reboots are so popular and so frequently resorted to, is because of having the pre-existing fan-base to tap into, which can make the difference between success and obscurity. Goodness knows that Marvel Studios has certainly benefited from that.

There are many pioneering sci-fi stories from the 1930s-50s that could be mined to provide good storylines.
(eg. "Astounding Science Fiction" magazine) John Campbell's own "Who Goes There?" was turned into John Carpenter's movie classic "The Thing".

Consider EE Doc Smith's "Lensman" - I've always wondered if George Lucas had been influenced by it, when coming up with Star Wars.

And coming back to 80s again, I think The Last Starfighter could also be suitable for a reboot - but with much better computer graphics, of course.

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« Reply #45 on: 09/12/2017 12:38 PM »
The Starlost has a great potential for a reboot. It has all different worlds within this massive arc, and with any kind of budget this would be a great series. I really liked it when I was a young lad, but did see the terrible production as its death knell.

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« Reply #46 on: 09/12/2017 12:43 PM »
Space 1999 had the moon drifting from one star system to the other which would take tens of thousands of years. I always thought that the nuclear pile that caused it to blast out of earth orbit could have a cyclic wormhole creating mechanism similar to Battlestar's FTL drive, but they had no control over it. So it would put them in a star system, but with maybe 48 hours before the next event, but not known with any certainty. Martin Landau and Barbara Bain didn't help, especially the latter who displayed as much on-screen passion as Steven Seagal. She could have been replaced with a poster of herself. Barry Morse was great in season one.

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« Reply #47 on: 09/12/2017 02:16 PM »
Space: 1999 always suffered (if you want to call it that) from the issue of 'cool story' first and scientific accuracy last if ever (this because far more pronounced in season 2 after the soft reboot/retcon of the show). This jarred hard against the great deal of effort on the part of ITC's SFX team to make the actual human space hardware technically plausible.

FWIW, I sort of fused the story with Interstellar in my proposed reboot with the META object (which contains a considerable mass of WIMP dark matter and antimatter) contacting the hastily-relocated nuclear waste at the EML4 liberation point. The interaction of exotic non-baryonic matter and the huge neutron, alpha, beta and gamma flux (perhaps even a touch of delta) around the waste plus the enormous energy release of several hundred tons of antimatter being instantly annihilated creates a wormhole with an oscillating far terminal, giving a somewhat-artificial urgency to every episode - the mission must be complete and the Eagles must return before the wormhole moves on.
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« Reply #48 on: 09/12/2017 02:35 PM »
How about a reboot of "Salvage One"


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« Reply #49 on: 09/12/2017 03:14 PM »
How about a reboot of "Salvage One"

Heh, not bad - now just convince Liam Neeson to modify his impression of George Peppard into an impression of Andy Griffith.  :D

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« Reply #50 on: 09/12/2017 05:13 PM »
Alien Nation is another one I forgot to suggest - but apparently it may getting a reboot by Netflix, in the form of Bright:


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« Reply #51 on: 09/13/2017 07:53 AM »
It seems like The Starlost and Space 1999 suffered from opposite problems.

Both shows had somewhat of a hard sci-fi premise, but Space 1999 had the big leap of the Moon escaping the Earth's orbit due to a nuclear explosion, while the Starlost kept the details of the Ark's embarcation/launch purposely vague.
The Starlost had some pretty cheap-looking production quality, with cheap-looking sets and cheap special fx. Meanwhile, Space 1999 seemed to have higher production values with higher-quality looking sets and higher-quality special fx. The technical fx team for Space 1999 were really superb (Gerry Anderson FTW!)
Both shows attempted to incorporate thought-provoking storylines, but I felt that The Starlost was able to keep things looking more plausible through self-consistency and vagueness (a la Star Trek), while Space 1999 seemed to sometimes get caught in the weeds with lack of self-consistency and specifics that sometimes discarded plausibility.

Incidentally, Barry Morse who played scientist Victor Bergman in the first season of Space 1999, was also in an episode of The Starlost - he was in an episode entitled "The Goddess Calabra" alongside John Colicos (another sci-fi veteran, who famously played Baltar in Battlestar Galactica, as well as Klingon commander Kor in Star Trek)


Since Jeff Bezos wants a Game-of-Thrones-quality hit to boost Amazon TV's market share, and since Space 1999 has an existing fanbase, and since Bezos himself has real-life near-term ambitions towards the Moon in particular, maybe a Space 1999 reboot would be a good candidate for Amazon TV to pursue.
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« Reply #52 on: 09/13/2017 12:25 PM »
Space 1999 had the moon drifting from one star system to the other which would take tens of thousands of years. I always thought that the nuclear pile that caused it to blast out of earth orbit could have a cyclic wormhole creating mechanism similar to Battlestar's FTL drive, but they had no control over it. So it would put them in a star system, but with maybe 48 hours before the next event, but not known with any certainty. Martin Landau and Barbara Bain didn't help, especially the latter who displayed as much on-screen passion as Steven Seagal. She could have been replaced with a poster of herself. Barry Morse was great in season one.

Stargate did this with Stargate: Universe

The found themselves on a massive ship of the Ancients which was traveling across between Galaxies, with initially no control over the FTL drive.

It didn't last long......
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« Reply #53 on: 09/13/2017 02:05 PM »
Stargate Universe didn't last long in my opinion for a trio of reasons: not all the characters were immediately likeable (not necessarily a handicap), there was 'franchise fatigue' because of being third out of the gate. SG1 was enormously successful, Stargate: Atlantis was moderately successful. And Stargate Universe? Well... It simply wasn't the original SG1 - that show had a fan loyalty.

But the premise that 'Universe' came up with near the end? That there was an ancient message/pattern encoded into the fabric and background radiation of the Universe?! That intrigued me.

Just like the sometimes unfairly-maligned 'Star Trek: Enterprise' - I think people who didn't give 'SG: Universe' a chance should just go back and revisit it. I think you'd be pleasantly surprised...
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« Reply #54 on: 09/13/2017 08:47 PM »
I loved the Wing Commander spin-off videogame Privateer.  But it basically won't run on modern hardware, and the flight engine was crap anyway.  I know there was a project to modernize the original game, but I want to see full scale re-up.
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Re: Older Space SciFi Worthy of Reboot
« Reply #55 on: 09/14/2017 01:00 AM »
I loved the Wing Commander spin-off videogame Privateer.  But it basically won't run on modern hardware, and the flight engine was crap anyway.  I know there was a project to modernize the original game, but I want to see full scale re-up.
Dream is that Bethesda (Fallout, Skyrim) would do it, and do it right.

It actually runs fine, and comes even prepackaged in proper Dosbox config files and all. I've re-purchased the entire collection, when GOG had it on sale. It actually runs better now, on linux and mac too
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Re: Older Space SciFi Worthy of Reboot
« Reply #56 on: 09/14/2017 04:56 AM »
I was thinking




but then I thought, Nawwww.... leave it well enough alone.
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Re: Older Space SciFi Worthy of Reboot
« Reply #57 on: 09/14/2017 09:17 AM »
Stargate Universe didn't last long in my opinion for a trio of reasons: not all the characters were immediately likeable (not necessarily a handicap), there was 'franchise fatigue' because of being third out of the gate. SG1 was enormously successful, Stargate: Atlantis was moderately successful. And Stargate Universe? Well... It simply wasn't the original SG1 - that show had a fan loyalty.

But the premise that 'Universe' came up with near the end? That there was an ancient message/pattern encoded into the fabric and background radiation of the Universe?! That intrigued me.

Just like the sometimes unfairly-maligned 'Star Trek: Enterprise' - I think people who didn't give 'SG: Universe' a chance should just go back and revisit it. I think you'd be pleasantly surprised...

And toward the end you could even get to respect, if not actually like Nicholas Rush.

I also really, really want to know if Ely made it.

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Re: Older Space SciFi Worthy of Reboot
« Reply #58 on: 09/14/2017 09:41 AM »
My headcanon is that, right at the end of the voyage of the Destiny, they found a planet hidden deep inside a Seyfert Galaxy's core. There, on a ridge above a dessert plain in thirty-foot high English letters of fire, they read:

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Re: Older Space SciFi Worthy of Reboot
« Reply #59 on: 09/17/2017 04:06 AM »
A couple of reboots that I would watch would be:
Star Cops https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Cops
A series based on Enemy Mine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_Mine_(film)
Something based in Iain M. Banks culture universe, although that would be a boot, rather than a reboot.
And if we are going to allow boots then a series based around House of Suns by Alastair Reynolds could be amazing.
I'd definitely like to see a reboot of star cops - realistic police procedural in space.
I just watched that on youtube. Always nice to stumble across a hard-sf tv series.

Lots of little complaints, but after all, that is why you would want a do over.

What interested me most is that it did seem to have a workable recipe for a procedural, which seems to be very hard for hard-sf.

I think it had two core plot generators
* police procedural.. these can last well.
* cold war shenanigans .. a sore thumb in most police procedurals, but very reasonable in this 'mini-UN' setup.

I think it would be a real winner if we could add one more "*" . Im not sure exactly what, but it has to be about the awe of it all, the hope of a future wider than today. So much hard-sf just shows us the maximisation of our current fears, living in smaller and smaller boxes where sociopathic corporations own the very air we breath.

Just thought of a possible third "*"
Postulate something like the large scale one-way colonisation that Elon talks about for Mars, but going everywhere in the solar system. These people are just passing through. The destinations are too far away for a hard-sf to flit between. However I think it could provide a sort of "love boat" procedural. Never actually watched that, but I imagine you have a holiday atmosphere, a wide range of people you meet for only a single episode, a happy resolution and all done on a limited set (a boat for them, various cis-lunar locations for this). Part of the happy resolution is that in the epilogue they can send back postcards from the rest of the solar system.

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Re: Older Space SciFi Worthy of Reboot
« Reply #60 on: 09/17/2017 01:43 PM »
I loved the Wing Commander spin-off videogame Privateer.  But it basically won't run on modern hardware, and the flight engine was crap anyway.  I know there was a project to modernize the original game, but I want to see full scale re-up.
Dream is that Bethesda (Fallout, Skyrim) would do it, and do it right.

Two possibilities:

First, the game you can play right now is Elite: Dangerous.  Upside: wonderful graphics and VR support. Downside: there's no real plot other than what you set for yourself. Want to just be a space trucker? Take bounty hunter contracts? Explore the galaxy? Go for it. Just don't expect an actual story. If you can't determine your own goals and find enjoyment in pursing them, the game can be boring. https://www.elitedangerous.com/

Second, Chris Roberts, the guy behind Wing Commander, has been building a new game for a while - Star Citizen. It's in alpha at the moment, but think a huge, modern, grand vision spin on Privateer and Freelancer. I backed the initial Kickstarter years ago, and do my best to not think about it because it'll be years yet before the game is released (huge AAA games take years to complete; there's no getting around that). You can play around in the alpha, but there's not much to the game yet -- several hours of fun if somewhat pointless tooling around. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/
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Re: Older Space SciFi Worthy of Reboot
« Reply #61 on: 10/02/2017 02:56 AM »
Tripods was made into a TV series by the BBC during the 1980s, adapted from the novels by John Christopher. Disney currently holds the movie rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tripods



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Re: Older Space SciFi Worthy of Reboot
« Reply #62 on: 10/02/2017 08:01 PM »
This may not count, as the re-boot has been produced/is in production, but the product has not made it to the American market:

Space Battleship Yamato 2199, including two follow-up theatrical films, 2012-2014.

Space Battleship Yamato 2202: Warriors of Love, currently in serial production and release.
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Re: Older Space SciFi Worthy of Reboot
« Reply #63 on: 10/09/2017 02:31 PM »
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First, the game you can play right now is Elite: Dangerous.  Upside: wonderful graphics and VR support. Downside: there's no real plot other than what you set for yourself. Want to just be a space trucker? Take bounty hunter contracts? Explore the galaxy? Go for it. Just don't expect an actual story. If you can't determine your own goals and find enjoyment in pursing them, the game can be boring. https://www.elitedangerous.com/


Well, we have the Thargoids arriving now, which doesn't mean much to me as I run away at the first sign of trouble!


A couple of reboots that I would watch would be:
Star Cops https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Cops
A series based on Enemy Mine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_Mine_(film)


Wasn't 'Hunter Prey' based in the same universe as 'Enemy Mine'?


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Re: Older Space SciFi Worthy of Reboot
« Reply #64 on: 10/12/2017 09:17 AM »
Here's a documentary retrospective on Space:1999 that was made awhile back:




Again, I have to admire the production design quality on so many aspects of the show, particularly the technical fx, as well as the generally good quality of the cast. They had a lot of good ideas in that show which had a lot of potential and made an impression - it's really too bad that things went wonky because of some silly creative choices.

[imagines voice of Bradley Cooper as Rocket Raccoon:
"And then I'd (hehehe!) like you to add some, uhh, monsters (bahahaha!) -- really, it'll be great!(snicker)"]
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