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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #140 on: 11/07/2017 12:17 AM »
It [SLS] was never slated for 2015.

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(2) FLEXIBILITY.—The Space Launch System shall be designed from inception as a fully-integrated vehicle capable of carrying a total payload of 130 tons or more into low-Earth orbit in preparation for transit for missions beyond low-Earth orbit. The Space Launch System shall, to the extent practicable, incorporate capabilities for evolutionary growth to carry heavier payloads. Developmental work and testing of the core elements and the upper stage should proceed in parallel subject to appropriations. Priority should be placed on the core elements with the goal for operational capability for the core elements not later than December 31, 2016.
https://spaceflight.nasa.gov/outreach/nasa_auth_act_2010.pdf

A slip from December 2016 to May 2020 is 3 years and 5 months.

It was to be operational by the end of 2016; that implies test flights earlier, which the same authorization act in fact envisions.  Assuming, optimistically, the capability to fly once per year, that puts the first flight in late 2015 if not earlier.

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #141 on: 11/07/2017 05:28 AM »
Yeah, unless SLS is required for some Air Force black project (heading into tinfoil hat territory with that idea), "heavy-lift rockets are strategic national assets" isn't a thing. Probably an excuse to keep the money flowing to big donors.

Agreed, it's basically a blatant attempt to make SLS uncancellable no matter what happens, even if we discover wrap drive tomorrow it would still be kept as strategic asset. Remember the national helium reserve was kept for nearly 100 years even though it's clear airship is a deadend after 10 years, I'm pretty sure Pace is trying to do the same with SLS.

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #142 on: 11/07/2017 05:47 AM »
It [SLS] was never slated for 2015.

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(2) FLEXIBILITY.—The Space Launch System shall be designed from inception as a fully-integrated vehicle capable of carrying a total payload of 130 tons or more into low-Earth orbit in preparation for transit for missions beyond low-Earth orbit. The Space Launch System shall, to the extent practicable, incorporate capabilities for evolutionary growth to carry heavier payloads. Developmental work and testing of the core elements and the upper stage should proceed in parallel subject to appropriations. Priority should be placed on the core elements with the goal for operational capability for the core elements not later than December 31, 2016.
https://spaceflight.nasa.gov/outreach/nasa_auth_act_2010.pdf

A slip from December 2016 to May 2020 is 3 years and 5 months.

It was to be operational by the end of 2016; that implies test flights earlier, which the same authorization act in fact envisions.  Assuming, optimistically, the capability to fly once per year, that puts the first flight in late 2015 if not earlier.
To me this appears to be all very off-topic for this thread.

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #143 on: 12/05/2017 07:37 PM »
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Nield: for 45-day report on regulatory reform, we turned in a list of ideas to National Space Council. Offered our vision of a 21st century launch licensing process. #SpaceComExpo
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/938143011694895110

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Nield: among the ideas include regulations that are performance based, and reviewing licensing much more quickly. #SpaceComExpo
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/938143292461592577

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Nield: if we had more people at FAA/AST (currently about 100 people) could also speed up license reviews. #SpaceComExpo
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/938143608028491777

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #144 on: 12/05/2017 08:02 PM »
Anyone know when next meeting is planned?
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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #145 on: 12/06/2017 12:43 PM »
FAA submits its 45-day report:
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FAA offers National Space Council ideas for launch licensing reforms
http://spacenews.com/faa-offers-national-space-council-ideas-for-launch-licensing-reforms/
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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #146 on: 12/12/2017 01:41 PM »
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Notice of establishment of the National Space Council Users’ Advisory Group.

Status Report From: NASA HQ
Posted: Tuesday, December 12, 2017

Editor's note: The call for nominations will be published on Thursday.
 
NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION [Notice: 17–088]
National Space Council Users’ Advisory Group; Establishment

AGENCY: National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).
 
ACTION: Notice of establishment of the National Space Council Users’ Advisory Group.
 
Pursuant to the NASA Authorization Act of 1991 (Pub. L. 101–611, Section 121), and Executive Order 13803 (‘‘Reviving The National Space Council’’), Section 6, signed by the President on June 30, 2017, NASA has established the National Space Council Users’ Advisory Group (UAG). The UAG is a non-discretionary statutory Federal advisory committee under the Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA) (Pub. L. 92–463, as amended). NASA is sponsoring and managing the operations of the UAG on behalf of the National Space Council, Executive Office of the President. This determination follows consultation with the Committee Management Secretariat of the U.S. General Services Administration.

Purpose: The purpose of the UAG is purely advisory and shall be to ensure that the interests of industry, other nonFederal entities, and other persons involved in aeronautics and space activities are adequately represented in the deliberations of the National Space Council. The National Space Council is an Executive Branch interagency coordinating committee chaired by the Vice President, which is tasked with advising and assisting the President regarding national space policy and strategy.

Membership: Members of the UAG will serve either as ‘‘Representatives’’ (representing industry, other nonFederal entities, and other recognizable groups of persons involved in aeronautical and space activities) or ‘‘Special Government Employees’’ (individual subject matter experts).

Duration: Pursuant to Section 12(b) of the NASA Authorization Act of 1991, the UAG is not subject to Section 14a(2) of FACA, and shall exist on an ongoing basis.

Responsible NASA Official: Dr. Jeff Waksman, Designated Federal Officer/ Executive Secretary, NASA Headquarters, 300 E Street SW, Washington, DC 20546, phone: 202– 358–3758 or email: [email protected] nasa.gov.
 
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Dr. Jeff Waksman, Designated Federal Officer/Executive Secretary, NASA Headquarters, 300 E Street SW, Washington, DC 20546, phone: 202– 358–3758 or email: [email protected] nasa.gov. Patricia D. Rausch, Advisory Committee Management Officer, National Aeronautics and Space Administration. [FR Doc. 2017–26765 Filed 12–11–17; 8:45 am] BILLING CODE 7510–13–P

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Re: Trump Space Policy Directive 1
« Reply #148 on: 12/15/2017 04:21 AM »
These principles (distilled from Pace's remarks) seem promising, if they can actually be implemented as written. Especially the last one.

From https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/pace-outlines-trump-administrations-approach-to-space-development-and-law/

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He listed seven “core elements” of the Trump Administration’s policy approach (text of his remarks).

    Support activities that advance U.S. national interests internationally.  Quoting National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster: “America first does not mean America alone.”
    Strive to be the most attractive jurisdiction in the world for private sector investment and innovation in space with a light touch of regulation.
    Use legal and diplomatic means to create a stable, peaceful environment for governmental and commercial space activities.
    Provide confidence to the private sector that it can profit from capital investments made to develop and utilize in-situ resources, commercial infrastructure and facilities in space.
    Respond to questions about how the United States registers space objects and the responsibilities of space object ownership and operation.
    Develop non-binding international norms complementary to the existing legal regime through best practices and confidence building measures — but no new treaties or international arms control agreements.
    Reject the notion that space is a “global commons” or “common heritage of mankind” or “res communis” or a public good.
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Re: Trump Space Policy Directive 1
« Reply #149 on: 12/15/2017 11:03 AM »
These principles (distilled from Pace's remarks) seem promising, if they can actually be implemented as written. Especially the last one.

From https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/pace-outlines-trump-administrations-approach-to-space-development-and-law/

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He listed seven “core elements” of the Trump Administration’s policy approach (text of his remarks).

    Support activities that advance U.S. national interests internationally.  Quoting National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster: “America first does not mean America alone.”
    Strive to be the most attractive jurisdiction in the world for private sector investment and innovation in space with a light touch of regulation.
    Use legal and diplomatic means to create a stable, peaceful environment for governmental and commercial space activities.
    Provide confidence to the private sector that it can profit from capital investments made to develop and utilize in-situ resources, commercial infrastructure and facilities in space.
    Respond to questions about how the United States registers space objects and the responsibilities of space object ownership and operation.
    Develop non-binding international norms complementary to the existing legal regime through best practices and confidence building measures — but no new treaties or international arms control agreements.
    Reject the notion that space is a “global commons” or “common heritage of mankind” or “res communis” or a public good.

Problem is what you replace the last element with?

Maybe the golden rule. Who ever got the gold gets to make the rules. That's what I think might happen.

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #150 on: 02/03/2018 08:48 PM »
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Sources confirm that the next National Space Council meeting will be held at Kennedy Space Center on February 21st. @VP will obviously be in attendance.

https://twitter.com/nova_road/status/959891768920756230

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #151 on: 02/04/2018 04:32 AM »
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Sources confirm that the next National Space Council meeting will be held at Kennedy Space Center on February 21st. @VP will obviously be in attendance.

https://twitter.com/nova_road/status/959891768920756230

In response:

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FYI @nova_road Members of the NSpC Users' Advisory Group will apparently be meeting there as well for the first time. UAG members are being notified of their membership confirmation.

https://twitter.com/nasawatch/status/959915951037800448

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #152 on: 02/19/2018 03:42 PM »
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Feb. 19, 2018
MEDIA ADVISORY M18-031
NASA to Host National Space Council Meeting at Kennedy Space Center

NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida will host a meeting of the National Space Council, chaired by Vice President Mike Pence on Wednesday, Feb. 21.

NASA Television and the agency’s website will provide live coverage of the meeting beginning at 10 a.m. EST.

Media are invited to cover the vice president’s arrival on Tuesday, Feb. 20, at Kennedy’s Shuttle Landing Facility and the council meeting on Wednesday.

After his arrival on Tuesday, Vice President Pence will tour Cape Canaveral Air Force Station launch facilities and participate in a commercial spaceflight federal reception. On Wednesday, Vice President Pence will lead the National Space Council meeting inside Kennedy’s Space Station Processing Facility. “Moon, Mars, and Worlds Beyond: Winning the Next Frontier” will include testimonials from leaders in the civil, commercial, and national security sectors about the importance of the United States’ space enterprise. The Vice President will conclude his visit with a tour of Kennedy Space Center.

U.S. media who wish to cover the events must apply for accreditation online at:

https://media.ksc.nasa.gov

All media applications for credentialing must be received by 8 p.m. today, Feb. 19. Media must also RSVP at [email protected] for both arrival and the Council Meeting. Media outlets planning to bring satellite trucks to either event must inform KSC media operations during the RSVP process.

Applications for media credentials for international journalists are not available for this event. Questions about accreditation should be sent to [email protected] or 321-867-2468. Media must present two forms of unexpired, government identification. One form must include a photo, such as a passport or driver’s license.

Arrival times for badging and transportation to events

Tuesday, Feb. 20 – Noon (Pre-set of equipment and satellite trucks)

Departure for the event will be at 4 p.m.

Location:  Press Accreditation Building on State Road 3

Wednesday, Feb. 21 – 2 a.m. (Pre-set of equipment and satellite trucks)

Departure for the event will be at 7:30 a.m.

Location:  Press Accreditation Building on State Road 3

On Feb. 20, media will be transported to the Shuttle Landing Facility at 1:30 p.m. to pre-stage equipment and satellite trucks.  Media will return to the Press Accreditation Building at 2:30 p.m. to allow for security sweeps of the facility.

On Feb. 21, media will be transported to the Space Station Processing Facility to pre-stage equipment and satellite trucks. Media will return to the Press Accreditation Building at 5 a.m. to allow for security sweeps of the facility.

All equipment needed to cover both events must be pre-staged at the respective facilities.

This will be the second meeting of the National Space Council, which President Trump re-established last year.

Images and video highlights from the meeting and tours will be available at:

https://www.nasa.gov/mediaresources   

For more information about NASA’s Kennedy Space Center, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/kennedy

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Headquarters, Washington
202-358-1600
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Tracy Young
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321-867-2468
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Last Updated: Feb. 19, 2018
Editor: Allard Beutel

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-to-host-national-space-council-meeting-at-kennedy-space-center

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Re: Trump Space Policy Directive 1
« Reply #153 on: 02/19/2018 07:14 PM »
Maybe the golden rule. Who ever got the gold gets to make the rules. That's what I think might happen.

aka. "Finders Keepers" or "Possession is 9/10 of the Law"

If you have the spacecraft and others don't, then I guess the point is moot. But once there are enough different parties with rockets, then it could get kind of messy.

« Last Edit: 02/19/2018 07:15 PM by sanman »

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #154 on: 02/20/2018 08:38 PM »
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Looking forward to speaking on the commercial space pathway to the #nextfrontier before Vice President Pence @VP and the National Space Council tomorrow @NASAKennedy.

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #155 on: 02/21/2018 06:18 AM »
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Vice President Pence Announces National Space Council Users Advisory Group
Press Release From: White House
Posted: Tuesday, February 20, 2018

Vice President Mike Pence, Chairman of the National Space Council, today announced the candidates selected to serve on the National Space Council's Users Advisory Group. Pending official appointment by the Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, the selected members of the Users Advisory Group will serve to fulfill President Trump's mandate to "foster close coordination, cooperation, and technology and information exchange" across our nation's space enterprise.  The announcement as made on the eve of the second meeting of the National Space Council. "Moon, Mars, and World Beyond: Winning the next Frontier" includes testimonials from leaders in the civil, commercial, and national security sectors about the importance of the United States' space enterprise

Selection to the National Space Council's Users Advisory Group:

Buzz Aldrin, Apollo 11 astronaut
Tory Bruno, President and CEO of United Launch Alliance
Wes Bush, CEO of Northrop Grumman
Dean Cheng, Scholar at the Heritage Foundation
Eileen Collins, 4-time Shuttle astronaut, first female shuttle commander
Steve Crisafulli, Former Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives
Mary Lynne Dittmar, President and CEO of The Coalition for Deep Space Exploration
Adm. Jim Ellis, Retired 4-star Admiral, former head of STRATCOM, and member of the Space Foundation Board of Directors
Tim Ellis, CEO of Relativity Space
Newt Gingrich, Author, former Speaker of the House
Marillyn Hewson, CEO of Lockheed Martin Corporation
Homer Hickam, Author of the book "Rocket Boys" and former NASA Marshall Spaceflight Center engineer
Governor Kay Ivey, Governor of Alabama
Fred Klipsch, Founder and Chairman of Hoosiers for Quality Education
Les Lyles, Retired 4-star Air Force General and member of the NASA Advisory Council
Pam Melroy, 3-time Shuttle astronaut and former Deputy Director of the Tactical Technology Office at the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
Dennis Muilenberg, CEO of the Boeing Company
Faith Ozmen, CEO of the Sierra Nevada Corporation
G.P. Bud Peterson, President of the Georgia Institute of Technology
Jack Schmitt, Apollo 17 Astronaut and former Senator
Gwynne Shotwell, President and COO of SpaceX
Bob Smith, CEO of Blue Origin
Eric Stallmer, President of the Commercial Spaceflight Federation
David Thompson, Founder and CEO of Orbital ATK
Pamela Vaughan,, Board Certified Science Teacher
Mandy Vaughn, President of VOX Launch Company
Stu Witt, Founder of Mojave Air and Spaceport, former Navy pilot, former Chairman of the Commercial Spaceflight Federation
David Wolf, 4-time Shuttle astronaut and physician
Pete Worden, Former Air Force General and NASA Ames Center Director
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« Reply #158 on: 02/21/2018 02:35 PM »
The VP likes to substitute "space" with "the heavens" a lot.

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« Reply #159 on: 02/21/2018 02:35 PM »
VP seems impressed with Falcon Heavy.

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