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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #20 on: 07/02/2017 09:35 AM »
Good to know that VPOTUS is a space enthusiast. President Trump made particular reference to the private sector, which seemed to indicate a recognition of the new value proposition available through them.

Who are the private sector members of America's new Space Council likely to be? Will Musk or Bezos or Tory Bruno be on there? Will some of the seats be up for rotation?

I hope that any proposal for increased military usage of space gives adequate consideration to the risk that use of ASAT weapons by any party could render much of Earth's orbital space unusable.

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #21 on: 07/02/2017 01:41 PM »
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With so many high level admins, and almost no specialists, I don't have particularly high expectations of this council though.

Putting on the optimistic hat -- could be an advantage...
As in high level international meetings, the heads of state do really nothing.  Each appoints a working group that does all the leg work (the real place specialists are needed) and then the bigs meet to 'ratify' the decisions made.  This group is too high and too over booked to spend more than a day a year on NSC.

Removing the hat... nothing will come of the NSC unless the VP commandeers the group for advancing his personal agenda.  If that is actually space-related... maybe a bit more than nothing.
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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #22 on: 07/02/2017 02:48 PM »
No space for new space at Trump’s space council rollout

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The primary advocate for new space companies, the Commercial Spaceflight Federation, was not invited to the event on Friday. SpaceX's Elon Musk and Blue Origin's Jeff Bezos were asked to attend, but neither could make the event on short notice. One official involved in the new space community told Ars, "If you were not with Alabama or SLS, you weren't getting into the event today. They didn't want any commercial space there." Alabama is the home state of the Marshall Space Flight Center, which manages development of the SLS rocket.

In the same article, however, Eric Berger goes on to say that the thing to watch now is who get appointed to the Council's Users' Advisory Group,  the function of which is "to ensure that the interests of industries and other non-Federal entities involved in space activities, including in particular commercial entities, are adequately represented in the Council."  Here is the full text of the executive order creating the Council.

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #23 on: 07/02/2017 10:14 PM »
The National Space Council is the wrong forum for SLS. The Council is full of people working for military and intelligence agencies. It is therefore likely to be a Falcon 9 and Atlas V love in.

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #24 on: 07/04/2017 04:44 AM »
Hate to say it but Buzz did not look good at all.

Buzz was just fine. He was reacting incredulously to the word salad that he was hearing.

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #25 on: 07/13/2017 11:32 PM »
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Marcia Smith‏ @SpcPlcyOnline

Marcia Smith Retweeted Marcia Smith

Well, officially, the White House announced its 'Intent" to nominate Scott, but close enough.

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Marcia Smith‏ @SpcPlcyOnline

At last its official! 
White House has nominated Scott Pace to be Executive Secretary of the National Space Council.

https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/885638281534345216

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #26 on: 07/13/2017 11:56 PM »
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The primary advocate for new space companies, the Commercial Spaceflight Federation, was not invited to the event on Friday. SpaceX's Elon Musk and Blue Origin's Jeff Bezos were asked to attend, but neither could make the event on short notice. One official involved in the new space community told Ars, "If you were not with Alabama or SLS, you weren't getting into the event today. They didn't want any commercial space there." Alabama is the home state of the Marshall Space Flight Center, which manages development of the SLS rocket.
In the same article, however, Eric Berger goes on to say that the thing to watch now is who get appointed to the Council's Users' Advisory Group,  the function of which is "to ensure that the interests of industries and other non-Federal entities involved in space activities, including in particular commercial entities, are adequately represented in the Council."

All this seems preparation and collaboration for redirecting our national space policy. Considering the lack of development, results and SLS abyss this administration is walking into, the sooner a plan and restructuring is made - the better. http://spacenews.com/white-house-not-expected-to-rush-development-of-new-space-policy/
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... Sandra Magnus and Chris Shank said they expected the Trump administration to use the newly-reestablished National Space Council to draft such a policy, but that it would not necessarily be a priority for it. ... Shank suggested that the White House might take incremental measures leading up to a policy. “There’s a speed of government and a speed of business,” he said. “I think the speed of business for a number of folks within the administration is to make little shifts along the way as opposed to waiting.” ... “I think there’s a lot of potential here,” (Magnus) said. “What we could use as a nation is an integrated strategy for how we want to approach space.”
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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #27 on: 07/14/2017 11:16 AM »
From last night:

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Marcia Smith‏ @SpcPlcyOnline 9h9 hours ago

WH announcement re Scott Pace (snip from WH press release rec'd 7:09 pm ET)
https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/885685392699248640

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Wayne Hale‏ @waynehale 11h11 hours ago
Replying to @SpcPlcyOnline

Scott will do well as Executive Director of the Space Council
https://twitter.com/waynehale/status/885652394729713665

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #28 on: 07/14/2017 02:57 PM »
AIAA CONGRATULATES SCOTT PACE ON NEW SPACE LEADERSHIP ROLE
Associate Fellow to be Named Executive Secretary of National Space Council
July 14, 2017 – Reston, Va. – The American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA)
congratulates Dr. Scott Pace on his pending appointment by President Donald Trump to lead the
newly reestablished National Space Council. Pace, who currently serves as director of The George
Washington University’s Space Policy Institute, has been an AIAA member since 1979. He is an AIAA
Associate Fellow and former member of the AIAA Public Policy Committee.
“Scott has devoted his career to space policy, and will bring a wealth of experience and knowledge
to this role,” said AIAA Executive Director Sandy Magnus. “We look forward to working with him,
Council members, and the Vice President’s office as we strive to maintain our nation’s leadership in
the civil, commercial, and national security space sectors.”

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #29 on: 07/14/2017 03:53 PM »
The National Space Council is the wrong forum for SLS. The Council is full of people working for military and intelligence agencies. It is therefore likely to be a Falcon 9 and Atlas V love in.

No, the National Space Council is exactly the proper forum for SLS and anything NASA does.

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #30 on: 07/14/2017 04:24 PM »
The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate ReleaseJune 30, 2017
Presidential Executive Order on Reviving the National Space Council

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Sec. 2. Revival and Composition of the National Space Council. (a) The Council is hereby revived and shall resume operations.

(b) The Council shall be composed of the following members:

(i) The Vice President, who shall be Chair of the Council;

(ii) The Secretary of State;

1.  The Secretary of State? Besides having no time to attend because of, you know, real problems around the world that need his attention, this makes me think that the NSC may be envisioned to do things that will cause great attention around the world.

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(iii) The Secretary of Defense;

2.  OK, this officially means that the NSC is not just focused on the peaceful use of space, which is NASA's bailiwick.

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(iv) The Secretary of Commerce;

(v) The Secretary of Transportation;

(vi) The Secretary of Homeland Security;

3.  Seriously, are they planning on setting up TSA at spaceports? Will my Global Entry card be good enough for re-entry to the U.S., or will I need my passport?

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(vii) The Director of National Intelligence;

4.  No clue. Yes, I could have said something like "Are they expecting to find intelligent life in space?", but I think it's pretty obvious this person will be too busy to stop by this little confab to chat about things he's not worried about. Maybe they'll send someone to make sure no one is going to propose something that will bump into any of their "assets" in space?

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(viii) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget;

5.  OMB Directors suck the life out of any rooms they are in. It's their job to say "NO!!!!". Which is a pretty clear signal that no proposal is ever going to see the light of day from this group of "out of the box" thinkers.

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(ix) The Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs;

(x) The Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration;

Oh good, NASA does get a seat at the far end of the table. And here I was worried...

I'll skip down to one other important point.

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(c)  The Council shall meet at least annually.

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Sec. 8.  Report.  Within 1 year of the date of this order, and annually thereafter, the Council shall submit a report to the President setting forth its assessment of, and recommendations for, the space policy and strategy of the United States Government.

6.  OK, nothing says they can't meet more often than once a year, but if you look at the list of members how often do you think you'd be able to get them together? And sure, they could send their Asst. what-evers, but a cohesive planning group needs consistent participation so that action items are followed up quickly.

7. And since NASA represents less than 1/10 of the membership of the NSC, I'm starting to think we should NOT expect too much NASA-oriented results from the NSC. And my original expectations were that NASA would have a much bigger level of participation, so I'm kind of disappointed.

Any other interpretations?

You had the wrong expectations in first place  The NSC is for all US space policy and not just US govt civilian (NASA) policy.  Why would the council makeup be any different from past ones?  This isn't any different than past ones.

1.   Secretary of State because of cooperation in space like the ISS

2.  It was never " focused on the peaceful use of space", it about US govt space policy which includes the military aspects.

3.  Seriously?  Do you know that NOAA is part of the DOC and it has constellations of spacecraft that would be part of National space policy? Also, that the FAA is part of the DOT and it plays a huge role in setting US  commercial space policy in regulation of commercial space launch and entry activities.  If space tourism is going to take off, then customs and immigration (DHS) will come into play.

4.  DCI, really?  NRO reports to the DCI.

5.  Why are you surprised?  Policy is meaningless unless there is a budget to go with it.

6.  The staff is what does all the work.  The actual council is just to rubber stamp the policy.

7.  It was never just about NASA
 

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #31 on: 07/14/2017 04:31 PM »

Using that analogy, they already have their own table in a completely separate high-security building. I'm not sure why they would see this council as some sort of improvement. And if there are any discussions about national security, NASA will likely be asked to leave the room anyways...


Wrong.  NASA personnel have the clearances.  NASA supports national security.  See TDRSS, GOES, NASA launch services, NASA spacecraft, etc

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #32 on: 07/14/2017 04:34 PM »
Who are the private sector members of America's new Space Council likely to be? Will Musk or Bezos or Tory Bruno be on there? Will some of the seats be up for rotation?


The council is US gov't only.  Industry is represented by the Department of Commerce and Transportation and those who use their products.

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #33 on: 07/17/2017 06:27 AM »
Here's a piece written by Scott Pace in March that may well give some indications of the direction the NSC will take:

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March 14, 2017 - 06:00 PM EDT
Space is bigger than NASA
BY SCOTT PACE, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/transportation/323969-space-is-bigger-than-just-nasa

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #34 on: 07/17/2017 10:11 AM »
Who are the private sector members of America's new Space Council likely to be? Will Musk or Bezos or Tory Bruno be on there? Will some of the seats be up for rotation?


The council is US gov't only.  Industry is represented by the Department of Commerce and Transportation and those who use their products.

There will be an industry advisory board (I think that's its name*) made up of private sector individuals.

* Users' Advisory Group per Eric Berger's article above
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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #35 on: 07/17/2017 10:24 AM »
Here's a piece written by Scott Pace in March that may well give some indications of the direction the NSC will take:

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March 14, 2017 - 06:00 PM EDT
Space is bigger than NASA
BY SCOTT PACE, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/transportation/323969-space-is-bigger-than-just-nasa

Impressive. Concise and to the point of what a nascent NSC should be about.

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If we want to enhance stability by broadening international support for productive and stable norms of behavior in space, then we need to establish and lead space initiatives in which other nations can participate.

If we want to shape the values and norms of the new frontier, then we must ourselves be on that frontier. New societies are shaped by those who are there, not by those who stay home.
bold mine

Leadership is about going somewhere and compelling others, through that action, to follow.
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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #36 on: 07/17/2017 10:37 AM »
On NASA (strong focus on innovation and technology development which is great!):

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Over the past decade, space policy decision-making has been fragmented and left to lower-level staff rather than accountable leadership. This has resulted in declining budgets and slower innovation. NASA's $19.3 billion budget in 2016 was 0.5 percent of federal government spending. If NASA had the same spending power as in 1992, around the end of the Cold War, its budget would be over $24 billion today.

We spend 20 percent less on NASA than we did 25 years ago, while the importance of space is greater than ever.

We are lagging behind China in cutting-edge hypersonic research while innovative U.S. commercial remote-sensing companies are tangled in regulatory limbo. U.S. economic and security interests are in peril unless there is a new burst of innovation and regulatory relief in our aerospace industries.
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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #37 on: 07/17/2017 10:50 AM »
More on Scott Pace:

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Meet Scott Pace, the National Space Council's new executive secretary

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http://www.planetary.org/blogs/jason-davis/2017/20170714-scott-pace-overview.html
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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #38 on: 07/18/2017 10:47 AM »
I'm encouraged by all of this. Pace has a very good middle tone between the current and forward plans. Pence seems like a big space flight fan. Trump is the strongest President you've had since Reagan and they do love some flag waving, as do I. So I can see the space programme both government and commercial doing well out of this new era!

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #39 on: 07/29/2017 06:49 PM »
I am sure that Mr. Pace will be a strong advocate for full funding for NASA.

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