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NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« on: 05/10/2017 12:15 PM »
Haven't seen/found this mentioned elsewhere, please correct me if I've missed it.

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Big big Reveal of Mars Rover at KSC Visitor Center!!!
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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #1 on: 05/10/2017 02:28 PM »
Looks like a Batman (TM) vehicle to me.  :)

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #2 on: 05/10/2017 03:14 PM »
Looks like a Batman (TM) vehicle to me.  :)

I have to agree - it's the Bat Rover.

In seriousness, I am unsure whether this is a stunt or a serious concept.  It looks like it could be useful, but it barely looks akin to the SEV rover designs.  I'm going to veer towards stunt.
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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #3 on: 05/10/2017 08:25 PM »
Looks like a Batman (TM) vehicle to me.  :)

I have to agree - it's the Bat Rover.

In seriousness, I am unsure whether this is a stunt or a serious concept.  It looks like it could be useful, but it barely looks akin to the SEV rover designs.  I'm going to veer towards stunt.
You don't know if it's serious - I think you're being too kind, it's a silly vehicle to sell ...something.  It has almost no practical value; why those wheels, why the shape, why have limited visibility? etc. etc. etc.
« Last Edit: 05/10/2017 08:27 PM by BrightLight »

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #4 on: 05/10/2017 08:34 PM »
Looks like some car show did a custom for PR. Smilar the OCC chopper a few years back.

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #5 on: 05/10/2017 08:50 PM »
LOL - the baby rover in front of it in the third picture is pretty funny too.

I mean, I get the desire to ignite interest in the mission to mars, but this is the worst kind of vaporware...
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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #6 on: 05/10/2017 08:51 PM »
Designed to look cool for display purposes, presumably.  It wouldn't attract much interest from visitors if it looked like the guy next door's RV.

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #7 on: 05/10/2017 08:57 PM »
Looks like the same rover in all the shots to my eye. The third and fourth pxs have the trailer/rear module detached.

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #8 on: 05/10/2017 11:02 PM »
Looks like the same rover in all the shots to my eye. The third and fourth pxs have the trailer/rear module detached.

Baby rover...
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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #9 on: 05/10/2017 11:11 PM »
Inefficient design waste of potential cabin volume...
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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #10 on: 05/10/2017 11:18 PM »
 ;D Missed that entirely!!

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #11 on: 05/10/2017 11:30 PM »
The vehicle obviously has an aerodynamic shape. Aerodynamic shapes are designed to go through air. Air resistance is a major problem on Earth but Mars is a near vacuum, so it is the wrong shape.

The big problem on the Moon and Mars is life support. Has space been left aside for an ECLSS?
I do not see an oxygen tank.

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #12 on: 05/11/2017 06:09 AM »
Inefficient design waste of potential cabin volume...

The outer shell of the "Rover" seems to be design for anti-ballistics protection against small arms and small cannon projectiles. Any real crewed surface rovers will be design to have the maximum possible habitable volume available. The "Rover" design kind of reminded me of some of the old Cadillac-Gage armored car concepts.

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #13 on: 05/11/2017 07:06 AM »
 Maybe they are expecting an "illegal alien" attack. :D

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #14 on: 05/11/2017 11:37 AM »
Hah!  I knew that thing reminded me of some previous vehicles, besides a Batrover.

The first is the XM800 Scout vehicle.  (The top one in the web page.  I much preferred the lower one.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM800_Armored_Reconnaissance_Scout_Vehicle

The second is this concept model of the AMT Amtronic.  It too separates into two pieces.

https://www.google.com/search?q=amt+amtronic&rlz=1T4GGHP_enUS693US694&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjgltL13-fTAhWFWSYKHfiTA1EQ7AkIOg&biw=1368&bih=727#imgrc=_B6I1RHbEHp0aM:&spf=1494502574132

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #15 on: 05/11/2017 11:58 AM »
Design aside, vehicle demonstrates how a useful manned rover might arrive in 2 pieces due to mass limits, and could rotate between 2 different power units on opposite days.  Power units could be recharged and serviced at base. 

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #16 on: 05/11/2017 05:46 PM »
An interesting concept; I admit I failed to think of that aspect.

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #17 on: 05/11/2017 05:54 PM »
Here's an article with the background to the rover & its construction:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/nasa-mars-rover-prototype-seadek-2017-5?r=US&IR=T
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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #18 on: 05/11/2017 05:58 PM »
Lol... oh...
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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #19 on: 05/12/2017 06:45 AM »
Compare it to "The Martian" rover:

Peh! Like people would want to go all the way to Mars and then look down. :-)

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #20 on: 05/14/2017 05:16 AM »
I keep waiting for Megatron to assemble.

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #21 on: 05/16/2017 06:38 PM »
Compare it to "The Martian" rover:

Peh! Like people would want to go all the way to Mars and then look down. :-)

Uh, yes they actually would :) After all that's where the surface you are driving over IS after all, not to mention the rocks, terrain and obstacles you need to avoid and/or watch for.

While the "rover" has some interesting features, (detachable power-module, or other "trailer" bits) the design isn't suited for, well, suited use. Ingress and egress are going to be a significant pain as is visibility in anything less than shirt sleeves and the interior... Well, as a PR "stunt" it's all right but not anything serious.

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #22 on: 05/17/2017 09:45 PM »
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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #23 on: 05/18/2017 10:54 AM »
Uh, yes they actually would :) After all that's where the surface you are driving over IS after all, not to mention the rocks, terrain and obstacles you need to avoid and/or watch for.
This is the internet so no one can ever tell if the other person is kidding. I was kidding.

Of course you want to look at the ground. You just hundreds of millions of miles and then spent huge effort to travel a tiny bit more, a millionth of your total journey, to put yourself right on the ground.

Of course you want to look at the ground, not just the sky.

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #24 on: 05/20/2017 06:19 AM »
The detachable back end actually looks like it might be useful. But I'm wondering what movie's props department they borrowed the thing from?

Doesn't look like a good design if you want some interior volume other than the seats, And there's tons of window area but not real great visibility. Lots of weight and heat loss. Can't go all the way to Apollo LM windows, But better than that can't be too tough. And maybe standardize on two or three pane sizes so there's replacement parts for everything without a 1:1 spares count?

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #25 on: 05/20/2017 07:36 AM »
When I saw the movie, this is the first thing I thought of.  It has similar shapes, for different reasons of course, same type of tire arrangement, if you cut off the back of the armor compartment and made it a flatbed it would be very similar.

Getting into/out of these with helmet, flak vest, other gear you wear, weapon, wearing one's NBC protection suit, can be a real bear through doors and hatches, but dropping the rear ramp is pretty easy.  Of course, one's gear once you are inside (I made my tank crews wear flak vests inside though) make life easier.

Some AFV are airtight with filtration systems, but of course, they don't have to carry their own air.


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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #26 on: 05/20/2017 04:35 PM »
An all-black vehicle in the Florida sun. That will be pleasant.

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #27 on: 05/20/2017 05:43 PM »
http://www.nbcnews.com/mach/innovation/mars-concept-vehicle-ready-go-roading-through-red-dust-n761771


This Mars Rover Concept is Ready to Go Off-Roading Through Red Dust


by Tariq Malik, Space.com

A sleek, black, concept Mars rover is displayed at the Kennedy Space Center in Cape Canaveral, Florida. The rover will tour the East Coast this summer for the center's "Summer of Mars" program. Kennedy Space Center
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According to Business Insider, the concept rover was designed by Marc Parker of Parker Brothers Concepts. It's 23 feet long (7 meters), 13 feet wide (4 m), 11 feet tall (3.3 m) and weighs an estimated 5,000 lbs. (2,268 kilograms), Business Insider reported.

A quick look at the Visitor Complex's Summer of Mars website revealed a tantalizing clue. The rover is part of the complex's new Astronaut Training Experience attraction that's opening in the fall. And the rover is not staying in Florida this summer! Like any good rover, it's hitting the open road."Check back here for cities and dates of the rover's East Coast tour this summer!" the website reads.
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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #28 on: 05/20/2017 06:42 PM »
Getting into/out of these with helmet, flak vest, other gear you wear, weapon, wearing one's NBC protection suit, can be a real bear through doors and hatches, but dropping the rear ramp is pretty easy.  Of course, one's gear once you are inside (I made my tank crews wear flak vests inside though) make life easier.
When you're receiving fire, the desire is for smaller doors/windows, even if its difficult egress/ingress to get there.

And yes, very wise to wear the vests/other inside - things get through. Does remind of pressure suits a bit, with all of your other kit/weapons bulking up your movements, and limiting range of action.

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #29 on: 05/25/2017 05:55 AM »
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When you're receiving fire, the desire is for smaller doors/windows, even if its difficult egress/ingress to get there.
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Realistically anything bigger than a 20 mm cannon will knock out most armored personnel carriers or light scout vehicles. So the bigger doors were actually better for the crew of a knock out vehicle to bailed out before getting toasted.

By the way the NBC suit was usual rubber and flak jackets was usually cover with nylon fabric. So quick egress from a knock out AFV while kitted up is a high priority for AFV crews.


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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #30 on: 05/25/2017 05:10 PM »
And this is related to OT and spaceflight how?
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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #31 on: 05/25/2017 05:20 PM »
Only by my mention that the Martian Mars Rover reminded me of the German APC and getting in and out of it with all your gear on could be relatively difficult as an analog for using space suits.

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #32 on: 05/25/2017 05:28 PM »
The detachable trailer concept is not a bad idea.  It could have fold out solar panels and battery.  A rover could carry one out about half way of its range and drop it off and return.  It would then fold out and charge itself.  Rover could bring another one out the next day or so, drop it off and the same location, then reattach to the original one.  Then travel further out.  Rechargable trailer unites could be scattered along a route to a remote location.  The rover could pick them up and drop them off as it extends its range from the base camp or colony.

Trailers could also be used by the same rovers to haul ice back to a processing facility or haul excavation equipment for ice mining or other minerals needed by the colony.   

However, as someone said, rover can be taller to handle EVA suits for EVA's outside the rover.

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Re: NASA KSC Human Mars Rover Concept
« Reply #33 on: 06/06/2017 08:30 PM »
Instead of the detachable compartment, one could have two rovers.

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