Yes but looking at what you're saying here as a non-American could easily sound like we don't trust other countries they are unreliable and will let you down. I could easily say after ExoMars that ESA should have nothing to do with NASA as they are unreliable and will let you down. But space is supposed to be above this kind of thing but if it isn't then that's a great shame.
Whether that reason is "genuine" or not? I don't know. But again, a bit out of scope. Even if the discussion were in space policy, it might be out of scope.
And a lot of US instruments fly on other agencies' spacecraft. It is a good system but it does add management complexity for the senior agency whoever it isPerhaps a bigger issue causing NASA to limit foreign instruments to a minority is that they are an American agency that 1) wants to support American scientists and 2) they want to see some of the instruments they pay to develop fly. Other agencies have the same motivations
Quote from: vjkane on 08/07/2017 09:07 pmAnd a lot of US instruments fly on other agencies' spacecraft. It is a good system but it does add management complexity for the senior agency whoever it isPerhaps a bigger issue causing NASA to limit foreign instruments to a minority is that they are an American agency that 1) wants to support American scientists and 2) they want to see some of the instruments they pay to develop fly. Other agencies have the same motivationsThat's alright then let's not progress and use space as a best example to present to the upcoming generations but just replicate the same old divisions. I guess I am just naive in thinking space exploration could be the one area where we try and set a better example because clearly this is pointless.
Quote from: Star One on 08/07/2017 09:10 pmQuote from: vjkane on 08/07/2017 09:07 pmAnd a lot of US instruments fly on other agencies' spacecraft. It is a good system but it does add management complexity for the senior agency whoever it isPerhaps a bigger issue causing NASA to limit foreign instruments to a minority is that they are an American agency that 1) wants to support American scientists and 2) they want to see some of the instruments they pay to develop fly. Other agencies have the same motivationsThat's alright then let's not progress and use space as a best example to present to the upcoming generations but just replicate the same old divisions. I guess I am just naive in thinking space exploration could be the one area where we try and set a better example because clearly this is pointless.Why does space have to be different than the real world?
Quote from: Jim on 08/07/2017 10:24 pmWhy does space have to be different than the real world?Because it should be.
Why does space have to be different than the real world?
Quote from: Star One on 08/08/2017 09:39 amQuote from: Jim on 08/07/2017 10:24 pmWhy does space have to be different than the real world?Because it should be.That's not going to happen so long as the majority of the money is governmental in origin, unfortunately. Space is soft power and has been from the start of the state space agencies.
I think now's the time to get back to discussing New Frontiers 4, huh?
Quote from: Jim on 08/07/2017 10:24 pmQuote from: Star One on 08/07/2017 09:10 pmQuote from: vjkane on 08/07/2017 09:07 pmAnd a lot of US instruments fly on other agencies' spacecraft. It is a good system but it does add management complexity for the senior agency whoever it isPerhaps a bigger issue causing NASA to limit foreign instruments to a minority is that they are an American agency that 1) wants to support American scientists and 2) they want to see some of the instruments they pay to develop fly. Other agencies have the same motivationsThat's alright then let's not progress and use space as a best example to present to the upcoming generations but just replicate the same old divisions. I guess I am just naive in thinking space exploration could be the one area where we try and set a better example because clearly this is pointless.Why does space have to be different than the real world?Because it should be.
Quote from: Star One on 08/08/2017 09:39 amQuote from: Jim on 08/07/2017 10:24 pmQuote from: Star One on 08/07/2017 09:10 pmQuote from: vjkane on 08/07/2017 09:07 pmAnd a lot of US instruments fly on other agencies' spacecraft. It is a good system but it does add management complexity for the senior agency whoever it isPerhaps a bigger issue causing NASA to limit foreign instruments to a minority is that they are an American agency that 1) wants to support American scientists and 2) they want to see some of the instruments they pay to develop fly. Other agencies have the same motivationsThat's alright then let's not progress and use space as a best example to present to the upcoming generations but just replicate the same old divisions. I guess I am just naive in thinking space exploration could be the one area where we try and set a better example because clearly this is pointless.Why does space have to be different than the real world?Because it should be.This isn't Star Trek. Space isn't any different than a piece of land, a body of water, etc. Whereever humans go, they will bring their failings with them.
Quote from: Blackstar on 08/08/2017 02:01 pmI think now's the time to get back to discussing New Frontiers 4, huh?There's nothing too discuss at this time.
So does folks think TPTB at NASA for NF4 will pick the mission with the least cost & complexity or some X-mas tree mission with lots add-on ornaments bleeding edge tech?
Considering that the Planetary budget is likely to get strained by the Europa missions, I see them going conservative on NF4. Discovery and New Frontiers anyway came out as a rejection of the Christmas tree approach, none of the three so far have seen overloading on instruments. Leave that to flagships.
Quote from: Star One on 08/08/2017 02:10 pmQuote from: Blackstar on 08/08/2017 02:01 pmI think now's the time to get back to discussing New Frontiers 4, huh?There's nothing too discuss at this time.That's not an excuse to turn this into your personal space policy thread.