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Re: Mars One Update Thread (yes, updates only!)
« Reply #20 on: 02/10/2014 04:14 PM »
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mars-one-first-private-mars-mission-in-2018?c=activity

They raised a total of $313K, which is a lot more than I expected them to do. According to Lasdorp, that's more money than they raised from private contributions during the past two years. I think that their two study contracts with Surrey and Lockheed Martin are more than $300K total, but they should be able to pay off their contractors.

Of course, building those two spacecraft and launching them is probably going to cost ~$600 million. So now they have to hold another indiegogo campaign to raise... $600 million.


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Re: Mars One Update Thread (yes, updates only!)
« Reply #21 on: 02/11/2014 08:28 AM »
Hold your horses. Let them pay for the Paragon study first. At least an ECLSS that's redundantly safe for a trip to/year on Mars will be useful for all the other organisations that want to get there. IMO, the 2018 mission doesn't get us any closer to an actual manned mission to Mars, even if succesful. Or am I missing something?

http://www.paragonsdc.com/index.php?action=viewPost&postID=50

(it's a bit down the list)

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Re: Mars One Update Thread (yes, updates only!)
« Reply #22 on: 02/21/2014 04:33 PM »
One-way trip to Mars prohibited in Islam

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Promoting or being involved in a one-way trip to the Red Planet is prohibited in Islam, a fatwa committee under the General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowment in the UAE has ruled.

“Such a one-way journey poses a real risk to life, and that can never be justified in Islam,” the committee said.  “There is a possibility that an individual who travels to planet Mars may not be able to remain alive there, and is more vulnerable to death.”

Whoever opts for this “hazardous trip”, the committee said, is likely to perish for no “righteous reason”, and thus will be liable to a “punishment similar to that of suicide in the Hereafter”.

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« Last Edit: 02/21/2014 04:36 PM by R7 »
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Re: Mars One Update Thread (yes, updates only!)
« Reply #23 on: 02/22/2014 12:21 PM »
Update thread is clearly (twice) mentioned in the title. That means posts need to be updates. Trimmed.

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Re: Mars One Update Thread (yes, updates only!)
« Reply #24 on: 02/22/2014 01:32 PM »
Update thread is clearly (twice) mentioned in the title. That means posts need to be updates. Trimmed.

Except that there is no other Mars One thread. Should we start one?

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Re: Mars One Update Thread (yes, updates only!)
« Reply #25 on: 02/22/2014 02:00 PM »
Update thread is clearly (twice) mentioned in the title. That means posts need to be updates. Trimmed.

Except that there is no other Mars One thread. Should we start one?

Try this one: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=29053.0

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Re: Mars One Update Thread (yes, updates only!)
« Reply #26 on: 02/22/2014 02:12 PM »
What a fascinating update.  Suicide is against the law in most civilized countries.

The Mars One response is an illuminating example of what I've been calling cognitive infiltration.

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Do the dangers associated with exploration merit a Fatwa?

And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations in your languages and your colors: verily in that are Signs for those who know. (Quran 30: 22)

The Muslim world has a rich tradition of exploration.

The issue is suicide, not exploration.

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The mission to Mars is a road that has never been walked before, even though the first settlers will be walking in the footsteps of Ibn Battuta, Marco Polo, Neil Armstrong, or any of the other great explorers in history.

Ibn, Marco, and Neil were all as knowledgeable of the exploration dangers as they could be.  The organizations which supported their efforts used the highest technology of the time to reduce the risks associated with LOC.

Ibn had a scimitar, no doubt.  Neil had a felt tip pen:

While moving within the cabin, Aldrin accidentally broke the circuit breaker that would arm the main engine for lift off from the Moon. There was concern this would prevent firing the engine, stranding them on the Moon. Fortunately a felt-tip pen was sufficient to activate the switch. Had this not worked, the Lunar Module circuitry could have been reconfigured to allow firing the ascent engine.

Mars-One makes no credible demonstration that it has considered the forty years or so that the first group of people would live on Mars.  As a Buddheo-Christian, I have no moral problem with the unknowns of spending the rest of one's life in a sub-one-gee environment.  Until mankind knows what those unknowns are, we shall never get off planet.

The moral issue, for me, is twofold.  First, Mars-One owns the life story of those first individuals.  Mars-One will retell that story as they see fit and there is to be no independent means of verifying the fidelity of the Mars-One story line.

Secondly, Mars-One has not believably stated that they will provide for the first participants' living needs.

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It may seem extremely dangerous to send humans to Mars today, but the humans will be preceded by at least eight cargo missions. Robotic unmanned vehicles will prepare the habitable settlement. Water and a breathable atmosphere will be produced inside the habitat and the settlement will be operational for two years, even before the first crew leaves Earth. Each of the cargo missions will land in a system very similar to the human landing capsule. An impressive track record of the landing technology will be established before risking human lives.

]Anybody can write down forward looking statements of no substance.  That is what these statements are.

This is a red herring of no value:

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It should be noted that the moon lander was never test[ed] on the Moon before Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin landed successfully on the Moon.

The devices were thoroughly tested here on Earth as best as could be done.  There was a cost with the risk reduction and all this testing.  Mars-One continues to be sketchy about cost:

The proposed Mars One budget includes a large safety margin to take into account significant mission failures as well as smaller but costly failures of components on Mars.

Finally, here is the specific statement of cognitive infiltration:

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If we may be so bold: the GAIAE should not analyze the risk as they perceive it today. The GAIAE should assess the potential risk for humans as if an unmanned habitable outpost is ready and waiting on Mars.

Just believe.

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As Ibn Battuta also wrote: "Travelling - it leaves you speechless, then turns you into a storyteller."

Personally, the Mars-One "story" that they are "telling" leaves me "speechless". Believe dat.
« Last Edit: 02/22/2014 02:16 PM by JohnFornaro »
Sometimes I just flat out don't get it.

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Re: Mars One Update Thread (yes, updates only!)
« Reply #27 on: 03/22/2014 09:16 AM »
Found this on "Mars one" "site I'm sure you will find it interest to read the specifications and concepts...
Plenty to give a base line transport system.

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« Reply #28 on: 03/22/2014 02:51 PM »
I don't see mention of the new reality tv deal here. That's a significant update.
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Re: Mars One Update Thread (yes, updates only!)
« Reply #29 on: 03/22/2014 03:36 PM »
I don't see mention of the new reality tv deal here. That's a significant update.

Indeed it is!

Oddly it isn't on the Mars One updates page. I wonder why... is this 100% definitely real?

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« Reply #30 on: 04/17/2014 05:50 AM »
This looks interesting:

http://www.mars-one.com/news/press-releases/mars-one-begins-work-on-simulation-mars-home-for-crew

If it's a good (realistic) simulation of a Mars colony, this could be something very positive they could contribute.

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« Reply #31 on: 05/24/2014 09:07 PM »
Selection process continues, 353 people removed leaving 705.

It mentions " Mars One is in negotiations with media companies to report on those interviews. Once the television deal is finalized and the interviews begin, the stories of the 705 aspiring Martians will be shared with the world." - so apparently the TV thing isn't very solid yet?

http://www.mars-one.com/news/press-releases/705-potential-mars-settlers-remain-in-mars-ones-astronaut-selection-process

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Re: Mars One Update Thread (yes, updates only!)
« Reply #32 on: 06/04/2014 03:20 PM »
http://www.mars-one.com/news/press-releases/mars-one-teams-with-endemol-for-worldwide-tv-event

Mars One teams up with Darlow Smithson Productions (DSP). DSP will exclusively produce the show about selection and training.
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« Reply #33 on: 06/14/2014 04:21 AM »
Here's the DSP website announcement though it doesn't really have anything extra.

 http://www.dsp.tv/press/tag/mars/

It looks like DSP has done space, science and technology documentaries before (including one on Neil Armstrong) and adventure stuff (mountaineering and sailing...) which suggests that maybe it won't be totally dumbed-down.

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« Reply #34 on: 07/04/2014 10:36 PM »
http://www.mars-one.com/news/press-releases/mars-one-announces-request-for-proposals-for-2018-mars-lander-payloads

Mars One wants payloads for the proposed 2018 lander mission.  It would be "four demonstration payloads, university competition payload and two payloads for sale".

The demonstration payloads are supposed to be one to collect soil, one to extract water from soil, a thin film solar panel, and a camera for a live video feed.

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« Reply #35 on: 07/10/2014 09:07 PM »
From  press release today: "Mars mission opens its doors to global community for 2018 lander"

and what turns out to be an interesting 56 page PDF document full of useful facts: for 2018 lander payload proposals

http://www.mars-one.com/images/uploads/MarsOne_PIP.pdf

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« Reply #36 on: 07/10/2014 09:29 PM »
Fascinating document, full of rarely-seen material; the potential volume for experiments is much larger than I had expected.


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« Reply #37 on: 09/06/2014 10:38 PM »
Mars One has started a promotional thing with a chance to win a Lynx flight...

"The campaign will provide funding for a 2015 Earth mission, which is a simulation project to replicate the future Mars human settlement here on Earth, as well as the 2018 Mars mission to Mars."

"To earn an entry into the contest, participants can visit http://urgencynetwork.com/marsone and choose to donate or purchase Mars One items."

Mars One press release:
http://www.mars-one.com/news/press-releases/mars-one-announces-chance-to-win-two-way-trip-to-space

Parabolic Arc article:
www.parabolicarc.com/2014/09/04/mars-launches-competition-lynx-suborbital-flight/

Campaign site:
https://www.urgencynetwork.com/marsone

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« Reply #38 on: 10/08/2014 10:41 PM »
MIT has conducted a study of the Mars One concept and pointed out several flaws, Lansdorp responds

http://www.spacepolicyonline.com/news/mit-analysis-paints-bleak-outcome-for-mars-one-concept

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« Reply #39 on: 12/02/2016 04:28 PM »
Mars One Takeover Approved by InFin Shareholders

Frankfurt, December 2nd, 2016 - Mars One and InFin Innovative Finance AG [FRA:KCC] (“InFin”) are pleased to announce that the InFin shareholders have approved the acquisition of Mars One Ventures PLC (“Mars One Ventures”) by InFin. The acquisition is now only pending approval by the board of Mars One Ventures. The takeover provides a solid path to funding the next steps of Mars One’s mission to establish a permanent human settlement on Mars. Those steps include reducing the remaining 100 astronaut candidates to just 24, as well as continuing the mission design phase with Mars One’s technology suppliers.

In the general assembly meeting earlier today, 18.81% of the InFin shareholders were present in person or by proxy. All shareholders present have voted in favor of the agreement with Mars One. The agreement involves issuing 478,887,500 new shares for purchase of the Mars One Ventures PLC shares, appointing Suzanne Flinkenflögel and Bas Lansdorp to the board and renaming InFin to Mars One Ventures AG. The shareholders have also approved issuing up to 248,497,000 new shares for the capital raise that is currently ongoing.

Professor Moritz Hunzinger, CEO of InFin, says: "The board of InFin has received a strong mandate from its shareholders for the Mars One Ventures takeover. We're looking forward to the exciting new steps that lay ahead."

Bas Lansdorp, CEO and co-founder of Mars One, says “This is a crucial step forward in the acquisition discussions and we’re very pleased with receiving the overwhelming support from the InFin shareholders and the fast pace of the process. The Mars One board will approve the acquisition as soon as possible. Once this deal is completed, we’ll be in a much stronger financial position as we begin the next phase of our mission. Very exciting times!"

About Mars One
Mars One aims to establish a permanent human settlement on Mars. Before carefully selected and trained crews will depart to Mars, several unmanned missions will be completed, establishing a habitable settlement waiting for the first astronauts to arrive.

Mars One consists of two entities: the Dutch not-for-profit Mars One Foundation and a British public limited company Mars One Ventures PLC (Mars One Ventures). The Mars One Foundation implements, and manages the mission and owns the mission hardware. It also selects and trains the crews, and is building an ever growing community of experts and supporters that follow the progress of the mission and contribute to it.

Mars One Ventures holds the exclusive monetization rights around the Mars One mission. There are many revenue possibilities around the mission to Mars: merchandise, ads on video content, broadcasting rights, partnerships, Intellectual Property, events, games, apps, and many more.

For more information about Mars One, please visit www.mars-one.com.
 
About InFin Innovative Finance
InFin Innovative Finance AG (Basel, Switzerland) provides innovative services within the scope of financing, setting up, building, acquiring, managing and selling companies and participations in companies at home and abroad as well as holding and managing licenses and patents of all kinds. After the completion of the full takeover of Mars One, the company will trade as "Mars One Ventures AG" and henceforth change its business purpose accordingly.

For more information about InFin, please visit infin-innovative.com.

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