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OV-103 in Dulles
« on: 01/24/2013 01:06 AM »
Amazed by the crowd, was a bit tempted to be upset with the size but truthfully glad she got the attention she deserved.  Posted a few areas of Interest on L2, but will post for wider audience here.

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Re: OV-103 in Dulles
« Reply #1 on: 01/24/2013 01:08 AM »

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Re: OV-103 in Dulles
« Reply #2 on: 01/24/2013 01:11 AM »

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Re: OV-103 in Dulles
« Reply #3 on: 01/24/2013 01:35 PM »
Hi Ron, do you know what happened to the SSME and F1 engines. Last time I saw them they were in the restoration hangar. I asked a few people in there, but they did not know were they went.

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Re: OV-103 in Dulles
« Reply #4 on: 01/24/2013 01:56 PM »
I heard that the SSME is now at the museum on the National Mall, and that the F1 engine was sent back to NASA.  They tore apart and updated the F1 and actually test fired it to gain data for SLS. Check out this link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/23/nasa-engine-test-parts-saturn-v-rocket-moon_n_2534361.html

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« Reply #5 on: 01/24/2013 02:05 PM »
There is a video of the test posted.

Cool photos of Discovery. :)

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Re: OV-103 in Dulles
« Reply #6 on: 01/24/2013 05:17 PM »
Thanks Tim, next to OV-103 that F1 was the most impressive display in the Museum.

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« Reply #7 on: 01/25/2013 12:07 AM »
Awesome pictures! I'm glad to see Discovery's doing well.

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Re: OV-103 in Dulles
« Reply #8 on: 01/26/2013 11:02 PM »
I heard that the SSME is now at the museum on the National Mall, and that the F1 engine was sent back to NASA.  They tore apart and updated the F1 and actually test fired it to gain data for SLS. Check out this link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/23/nasa-engine-test-parts-saturn-v-rocket-moon_n_2534361.html
I was in DC today so I checked in on the engines.
The SSME is indeed in the still incomplete display at the downtown Air and Space. The display F1 is still downtown too, not sure if the Smithsonian had a second F1?

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Re: OV-103 in Dulles
« Reply #9 on: 01/27/2013 01:57 AM »
I heard that the SSME is now at the museum on the National Mall, and that the F1 engine was sent back to NASA.  They tore apart and updated the F1 and actually test fired it to gain data for SLS. Check out this link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/23/nasa-engine-test-parts-saturn-v-rocket-moon_n_2534361.html
I was in DC today so I checked in on the engines.
The SSME is indeed in the still incomplete display at the downtown Air and Space. The display F1 is still downtown too, not sure if the Smithsonian had a second F1?


There was a F-1 at the mall location and at Dulles last year, and did not see the later the time so could be entirely plausible that its at Marshall.

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Re: OV-103 in Dulles
« Reply #10 on: 02/15/2013 03:22 AM »
A docent told me the F-1 was downtown. But if you didn't see it there, then it's not there. I saw an F-1 at Marshall last June, which was before the one at Udvar-Hazy disappeared. I have a photo of it somewhere.

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Re: OV-103 in Dulles
« Reply #11 on: 02/15/2013 03:51 AM »
I was wrong. What I saw at Huntsville was not a complete F-1, but the powerpack. I'm not sure exactly what this part is called. There were other parts on the floor, but I didn't take any pictures so I don't know what they were.

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Re: OV-103 in Dulles
« Reply #12 on: 02/16/2013 05:43 AM »
Gentlemen,

I'm pretty sure I caught a shot of the "missing" F-1 at Udvar last year right as the were prepping Enterprise for her trip to NYC  Check out the second pic in my post

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=20763.msg861077#msg861077

I even noted at the time that it look like an F-1 under the plastic

The F-1 was in the restoration hangar and was sitting with some other Shuttle hardware that NASA was moving around as they sent the Orbiters to their final homes.

Where it went I have no idea but, I'm pretty sure that F-1 was on its way out the door.

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Re: OV-103 in Dulles
« Reply #13 on: 02/16/2013 07:02 AM »
I was wrong. What I saw at Huntsville was not a complete F-1, but the powerpack. I'm not sure exactly what this part is called. There were other parts on the floor, but I didn't take any pictures so I don't know what they were.

F-1 Turbo Pump assembly. Oxy stage on top, Fuel stage in the middle and the hot, smokey part is on the bottom.  ;D
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Re: OV-103 in Dulles
« Reply #14 on: 02/16/2013 09:00 AM »
Where it went I have no idea but, I'm pretty sure that F-1 was on its way out the door.

The second photo here: http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-012113a.html ...shows the F-1 from the National Air and Space Museum arriving at Marshall Space Flight Center.

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« Reply #15 on: 02/24/2013 03:31 PM »
Today marks two years since her last launch. :'(
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« Reply #16 on: 02/24/2013 03:46 PM »
Dang already? :(

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« Reply #17 on: 02/25/2013 12:25 PM »
Wow time has flown by. She atleast is getting all the attention in her home.
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« Reply #18 on: 04/15/2013 12:14 AM »
Will pay her a visit in a week's time. Pics to follow!

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Re: OV-103 in Dulles
« Reply #19 on: 05/12/2013 05:27 AM »
I visited Discovery this week. It was awesome to see her again! One thing I noticed is the slight orange coloring of the tiles from the ET doors back to the end of the body flap. You can kind of see it in the photos. I suspect this is from ET separation but I'm not sure.
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« Reply #20 on: 05/13/2013 10:15 PM »
I visited Discovery this week. It was awesome to see her again! One thing I noticed is the slight orange coloring of the tiles from the ET doors back to the end of the body flap. You can kind of see it in the photos. I suspect this is from ET separation but I'm not sure.


That's interesting about the orange stains.

The thing I always found curious about Discovery was the dark strip of black thermal tiles she has running down from one of her right cockpit windows. It's quite distinctive - you don't see it on any other orbiter. Always assumed she had an extra piece of equipment there that needed special heat protection, or a structural weakness that might have also needed 'patching up'. But could never find the answer on Google.

Anyone out there know the reason?
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Re: OV-103 in Dulles
« Reply #21 on: 05/14/2013 01:19 AM »
Can you find a picture of it next to another orbiter? You've peaked my interest..

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« Reply #22 on: 05/14/2013 01:32 AM »
You can see it in RPM imagery; for example:
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-133/html/iss026e030066.html

And likely since Discovery flew the most of the three retired vehicles, it's not hard to notice once you've noticed it; stacking for the same mission:
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Re: OV-103 in Dulles
« Reply #23 on: 05/14/2013 08:04 PM »
I visited Discovery this week. It was awesome to see her again! One thing I noticed is the slight orange coloring of the tiles from the ET doors back to the end of the body flap. You can kind of see it in the photos. I suspect this is from ET separation but I'm not sure.


That's interesting about the orange stains.

The thing I always found curious about Discovery was the dark strip of black thermal tiles she has running down from one of her right cockpit windows. It's quite distinctive - you don't see it on any other orbiter. Always assumed she had an extra piece of equipment there that needed special heat protection, or a structural weakness that might have also needed 'patching up'. But could never find the answer on Google.

Anyone out there know the reason?

My understanding of the three HRSI tiles under Discovery's window is that it was likely a mistake. Those tiles were supposed to be LRSI tiles. Since there was no harm in using HRSI tiles in that location, they were installed.
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Re: OV-103 in Dulles
« Reply #24 on: 05/17/2013 04:55 PM »
I've also noticed those extra tiles below Discovery's cockpit windows on the righthand side, in many of the photos I've seen of her, both in service and retired, and I've also wondered why they were there.

I actually use those distinctive tiles to help me to identify Disco in pictures where I can't quite make out her name, such as long-distance launch or landing shots, and when I'm downloading Shuttle photos, even close-up ones, I always know that it's a photo of Discovery when I see those distinctive tiles, even if the photo hasn't downloaded enough to let me read her name. :)
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« Reply #25 on: 05/17/2013 06:12 PM »
Originally Discovery had four HRSI tiles under her window but at some point one was replaced with an LRSI tile. This further leads me to believe this was a build mistake when they made the tiles.

You can see in the top photo the original four HRSI tiles. In the bottom photo, the lower tile is now an LRSI tile.
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« Reply #26 on: 05/17/2013 08:11 PM »
Originally Discovery had four HRSI tiles under her window but at some point one was replaced with an LRSI tile.
I believe that change was made sometime during 103's J2 OMM (the only one for Discovery at Palmdale).

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« Reply #27 on: 05/17/2013 10:41 PM »
Maybe the HRSI tiles under Discovery's window were some kind of "shuttle birthmark" like Columbia's "sideburns" on the top of the wings. :)
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« Reply #28 on: 05/20/2013 10:41 PM »
Maybe the HRSI tiles under Discovery's window were some kind of "shuttle birthmark" like Columbia's "sideburns" on the top of the wings. :)

lol...to me they look more like a teardrop than a birthmark, but I know what you mean. Cheers for your responses guys, it's good to clear that little mystery up!
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Re: OV-103 in Dulles
« Reply #29 on: 05/21/2013 12:05 PM »
So what you are all saying is poor Discovery has a birth defect? :( lol
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Re: OV-103 in Dulles
« Reply #30 on: 05/23/2013 06:52 PM »
So what you are all saying is poor Discovery has a birth defect? :( lol

Maybe we should think of those extra tiles as Discovery's "Mark of Distinction"! :)
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« Reply #31 on: 05/27/2013 05:42 PM »
I always called it "the tear," although I can't explain why my favorite orbiter should have been crying...  ::) ;D

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« Reply #32 on: 05/27/2013 06:01 PM »
I always called it "the tear," although I can't explain why my favorite orbiter should have been crying...  ::) ;D

A tear of joy at getting the majority of headline-grabbing missions?
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« Reply #33 on: 05/27/2013 06:04 PM »
I always called it "the tear," although I can't explain why my favorite orbiter should have been crying...  ::) ;D

A tear of joy at getting the majority of headline-grabbing missions?

Yeah, that's it!  :)

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« Reply #34 on: 08/21/2013 01:13 AM »
Went with my family this week to see space shuttle Discovery on display.
Having the privilege of seeing Discovery fly from KSC 5 times, it really meant a lot to see her up close again!

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« Reply #35 on: 09/10/2013 12:00 AM »
A few pictures of Discovery

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« Reply #36 on: 09/10/2013 04:18 PM »
Thank you for your pictures, 32s!

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« Reply #37 on: 09/12/2013 12:40 AM »
Thanks , a few more pictures

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« Reply #38 on: 09/12/2013 01:01 PM »
Hey 32s, did you notice any dust on Discovery? I heard complaints about that.

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« Reply #39 on: 09/12/2013 03:54 PM »
Yes, there was quite a bit of dust on the wings.  We were a little surprised to see this.

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« Reply #40 on: 09/12/2013 06:11 PM »
Ugh. That disappoints me. I always thought they could at least go over her every 6 months or so with a duster.

Here's a picture I saw on Flickr awhile ago of dust on the windows.

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« Reply #41 on: 09/18/2013 11:13 PM »
IMO perhaps for all the orbiters they be treated as how NASA treats them, even as they are museum pieces. They are kept clean and preferably behind a nitrogen filled glass case.

As an example the Apollo capsules are all behind glass cases to protect them from dust and children who would break them by mistake. The shuttle orbiters should also be given the same respect. I'm very serious about this.

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« Reply #42 on: 09/19/2013 08:28 PM »
I actually emailed Udvar-Hazy about this last week asking about how/if they clean Discovery. They got back to me and said they would be forwarding my email to a department that could answer it for me. So far no response.

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« Reply #43 on: 09/24/2013 02:13 PM »
W wonder if they will clean her up a bit. I hope KSC keeps Atlantis clean and daily checks for items people may have thrown over into the cargo bay or left wing.
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« Reply #44 on: 09/24/2013 09:22 PM »
...did you notice any dust on Discovery? I heard complaints about that.

Before rumors start running rampant about a dusty Discovery,  I checked with the museum.

The museum has an artifact cleaning crew who carefully dust the aircraft and spacecraft on a rotating schedule to remove light dust and lint (mostly denim fiber) raised by the millions of visitors who walk through the display areas annually. It takes months to complete one round of dusting, so at any given time any given object may appear to be in need of attention. It's a matter of timing, not inattention.

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« Reply #45 on: 09/25/2013 12:11 PM »
That makes total sense, It is a huge place, When I went to see Discovery last year she looked great but of course those who love these Shuttles tend to get worried they are not taken care of lol
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« Reply #46 on: 09/25/2013 01:43 PM »
Thank you for checking on this, CS.

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« Reply #47 on: 09/30/2013 02:54 PM »
A note regarding Space Shuttle Discovery and the Udvar-Hazy Center posted by the Smithsonian: Please note: If the federal government shuts down on Oct. 1, our museums will be closed and all events will be canceled.

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« Reply #48 on: 09/30/2013 04:55 PM »
I saw that on their facebook page last week, That will suck if they have to close down while the morons in Washington fight
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« Reply #49 on: 10/02/2013 10:59 PM »
All we can do now is hope that Discovery enjoys her break.

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« Reply #50 on: 10/17/2013 02:59 PM »
Now that the government shutdown is over.. Discovery is back! Hopefully she enjoyed her break.

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« Reply #51 on: 12/08/2014 03:15 PM »
Just for fun, I will be at the Udvar-Hazy talking to the docents on Wednesday Dec 10 2014 at 9 AM.  Hopefully this will give the team some insight so they can give even better tours.  And this will beat the deadline of Dec 11 if the government shuts down once again . . . .

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Re: OV-103 in Dulles
« Reply #52 on: 12/30/2014 01:37 PM »
Just for fun, I will be at the Udvar-Hazy talking to the docents on Wednesday Dec 10 2014 at 9 AM.  Hopefully this will give the team some insight so they can give even better tours.

How did this go, Wayne?

When Discovery first made it to Udvar-Hazy, I was on hand to see her into the hanger...  during that first "private viewing" morning some of us had, I talked for about 15 minutes to a handful of docents who were there.  They had some really good questions about the "battle scars" that an operational spacecraft had vs Enterprise.  We had some good discussions of the flow patterns over the wings and fuselage and how some of the scorch marks they were seeing on Discovery was a direct result of that.

It helped a bit to know that these guys are not only there, but are dedicated to "telling the story" of our girl. 
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