Argentina has a plan for building a small satellite launcher.The project is being managed by the CONAE (Comision Nacional de Actividades Espaciales), which integrates the work of many scientific institutes and universities in the country.The plan recalls the Condor ballistic system which was being developed by the Argentine Armed Forces. Argentina was forced to scrap the project in 1993.Fourteen years after having de-activated the Condor-II missile program, Argentina is again experimenting with rockets.Argentina’s Space Activities National Commission is in charge of the project which has had significant support from the Kirchner administration.
What is Army's Orbit?
...So after the launch failure, they had to "safe it" with a MAG. Yes, they shoot the tanks with a MAG from an helicopter! ...
BTW, could a mod change the Thread's title to "Argentina's Launch Vehicle development" or something like that?
Not exactly about the LV, but the comm sats that we are launching next year have their coverage maps online:http://www.arsat.com.ar/satelites.html
In fact, many US nuclear war heads have Argentinian material.
Quote from: baldusi on 07/09/2012 02:28 pmIn fact, many US nuclear war heads have Argentinian material.Source?
Argentina's CONAE might test Tronador/VEX 1 October 12-17 at 35-31.26S 057-11.3W
It's incredible to think that with this launch we are waiting to see a "failure" to find what's wrong. According to Varotto the chances of succes are 10%. Of course it's a test, and there is not such thing as a failure.
** RIO de la PLATA 1930 23/11/13 **----------------------------------------PROVINCIA DE BUENOS AIRESRIO DE LA PLATA MEDIO Y EXTERIORCARTA H-116PROHIBIDA NAVEGACION PESQUERA Y DEPORTIVA POR LANZAMIENTO SATELITE TRONADOR II, DIA 29 DE NOV POR LA MAÑANA, EN EL ÁREA DETERMINADA POR: PSN 35-31.26S 057-11.3W Y RADIO DE 7 KM.
From http://www.hidro.gov.ar/Nautica/Radioav/radioCRP.asp:Quote** RIO de la PLATA 1930 23/11/13 **----------------------------------------PROVINCIA DE BUENOS AIRESRIO DE LA PLATA MEDIO Y EXTERIORCARTA H-116PROHIBIDA NAVEGACION PESQUERA Y DEPORTIVA POR LANZAMIENTO SATELITE TRONADOR II, DIA 29 DE NOV POR LA MAÑANA, EN EL ÁREA DETERMINADA POR: PSN 35-31.26S 057-11.3W Y RADIO DE 7 KM.Short version: forbidden navegation on Nov 29 in the described zone due to the launch of the VEX.The referenced chart (Carta H-116) is the Exterior Rio de la Plata and can be downloaded from here.
And they have finally revealed that the first stage (at least, I suspect first and second) will use RP-1/LOX. The local oil company (YPF) will be producing the kerosene.Here is the article of the local news paper.According to Eduardo Taraba, chief of construction at Barerias and CONAE official, the whole complex will have four main building areas that will be connected by a road. The whole complex will hold, in 30Ha, the rocket manufacturing plant, rocket and engine test stand, payload integration building, horizontal integration facility and launch pad (incl. control center) near Pehuen Co, plus other civil buildings.According to José Manuel Aspigueta, a CONAE chemist, the hypergolic propellant plant is being studied to be installed near Coronel Rosales (very close by) or in Ensenada (some 50km south of Buenos Aires City) and transported to the launch pad. Upto now, hipergolic fuel and associated processes was developed in Falda del Carme, Córdoba Province (and former place of the Condor II project).
Quote from: baldusi on 12/09/2013 01:05 pmAnd they have finally revealed that the first stage (at least, I suspect first and second) will use RP-1/LOX. The local oil company (YPF) will be producing the kerosene.Here is the article of the local news paper.According to Eduardo Taraba, chief of construction at Barerias and CONAE official, the whole complex will have four main building areas that will be connected by a road. The whole complex will hold, in 30Ha, the rocket manufacturing plant, rocket and engine test stand, payload integration building, horizontal integration facility and launch pad (incl. control center) near Pehuen Co, plus other civil buildings.According to José Manuel Aspigueta, a CONAE chemist, the hypergolic propellant plant is being studied to be installed near Coronel Rosales (very close by) or in Ensenada (some 50km south of Buenos Aires City) and transported to the launch pad. Upto now, hipergolic fuel and associated processes was developed in Falda del Carme, Córdoba Province (and former place of the Condor II project).What's our local expertise on handling kerolox engines? As far as I know, none. Do we know if it's pressure-fed or turbopump-fed?
Wow. Unlucky that the vehicle failed, but to not have an explosion? Has that ever happened before?
That image has been circulating through Argentinian forums. No fire is apparent and it's clear that they recovered everything (thou the system is probably not salvageable). Regrettably the picture is very low resolution. But the way it fell down just right to the ramp, and the way the nozzle is to the side with one broken pneumatic cylinder (it had two at 90 degrees of pitch and yaw control), are very consistent with ether a cylinder failure or a cylinder attachment failure.Overall, I do share CONAE's assessment that the test had a "positive" result. They validated practically all the complex parts, including pressurization, ignition, thrust, etc.
Quote from: baldusi on 03/07/2014 05:30 pmThat image has been circulating through Argentinian forums. No fire is apparent and it's clear that they recovered everything (thou the system is probably not salvageable). Regrettably the picture is very low resolution. But the way it fell down just right to the ramp, and the way the nozzle is to the side with one broken pneumatic cylinder (it had two at 90 degrees of pitch and yaw control), are very consistent with ether a cylinder failure or a cylinder attachment failure.Overall, I do share CONAE's assessment that the test had a "positive" result. They validated practically all the complex parts, including pressurization, ignition, thrust, etc.Well, it has potentile, but I find it kind of disturbing that the rocket configuration is so much like an ICBM. Could be they're being influenced by SpaceX, but still...
Diagram about past and future tests of Tronador II project. (In spanish)Notice that at the end of first stage of tests, it is said "More Vex-1", according to what it has already been said that it could be up to 6 Vex-1 launches. (All depends of results of the tests)This first stage of Vex-1 is being conducted in Pipinas (Punta Indio) And it's being testing navigation, flight control and guidance. But second stage will be conducted in Puerto Belgrano's launch pad, now under construction.Notice that in the 2 stage of tests, the diagram says that will be tested the separation of rocket stages and coif.Here there is the complete summary (in spanish): http://scripts.minplan.gob.ar/octopus/archivos.php?file=3046
Well, this a graphic of altitude vs. range of the test. With the scale in metres. This is the way we get informed in here, with fortuitous captures of vids.
Ahora vendrá la prueba con el VEx-5. Culminada esa etapa, será el turno del modelo tecnológico y luego el operativo del Tronador II, de cara a septiembre de 2015.
Present plans for Vex5 are: Vex5a launch April 2015. Vex5b in June. Tronador 2 demonstrator December2015. But this dates might have delays
Rumors are talking about a 28th July launch... Nothing confirmed yet.
Quote from: cdemczuk on 06/15/2015 03:23 amRumors are talking about a 28th July launch... Nothing confirmed yet.Which rocket ?
http://argentinaenelespacio.blogspot.com/2015/10/conae-con-presupuesto-de-1800-millones.html#more
Quote from: Salo on 11/13/2015 10:49 amhttp://argentinaenelespacio.blogspot.com/2015/10/conae-con-presupuesto-de-1800-millones.html#moreThanks Salo. SAOCOM 1A is now scheduled for the end of 2016, Tronador II for the first half of 2017, SABIA-Mar A in 2018, SABIA-Mar B in 2019, the first two SARE satellites in 2018 and two more SARE satellites in 2019 with each SARE satellite being launched by a Tronador II. It wasn't totally clear, but it seems the VEx 5 launchers have been delayed to 2016.
In the absence of climatic inconveniences in the Samborombón Bay area, the launch of the VEX-5A Experimental Vehicle is scheduled to take place from 22 to 24 November.
would be released
Quotewould be releasedSteven: I guess "would be launched" fits better to "seria lanzado"
Current situation of the companyVeng SA carries out for the CONAE the development of the prototype of Launcher "Tronador II / III" included in the ISCUL Program (Satellite Injector for Light Useful Loads).Said prototype is designed to have the capacity to place a satellite payload of between two hundred and fifty kilograms (250 kg) and one thousand kilograms (1000 Kg) in a polar orbit between six hundred kilometers (600 km) and seven hundred kilometers (700 km) high. ) of weight. To that end, liquid propellant engines are developed with ablative and regenerative combustion chamber and fuels and liquid comburents for these engines.The structure of the launcher prototype, the avionics and the navigation, guidance and control systems of the launcher are also developed. For the purpose of qualifying the developed components, a flight prototype design and test plan is carried out, until arriving at a first prototype with satellite capacity, called "Tronador III Tecnológico", whose first test is scheduled for the end of 2019 .The project Tronador II / III emerges as a continuity and a fusion of both projects, which allows to reuse to the maximum the engineering of the first in line with the achievement of the second, where increasing the burning times in the second stage can be achieved to inject more load useful in orbit with the same engineering. These two launcher models cover all the needs derived from the launches of future satellite missions developed with the concept of "segmented architecture", on the basis of which the satellite missions of the SARE series of CONAE are planned.Source: Ministry of Finance
Workshop: Access to Space, from design to operation of a satellite launcher Wednesday 07/15 16:00 Invited by @mincytcordoba to the CyT Cycle in Space, we present about the challenges of the launching project Tronador II / II Registrations: https://bit.ly/Inscripciones_CyTenelEspacio
Minister Daniel Filmus announced that in 2022 4,500 million pesos will be allocated to relaunch CONAE's Access to Space program, which includes the manufacture of vehicles to place satellites weighing up to 750 kilos in orbit, in addition to the associated auxiliary infrastructure and the launch bases.Within the framework of the reactivation of strategic projects, the Ministry of Science, Technology and Innovation of the Nation (MINCyT) relaunched the Access to Space program carried out by the National Commission for Space Activities (CONAE), which includes the development of vehicles experimental VExs and Tronador II/III launchers, as well as associated auxiliary infrastructure and launch bases. There is a planned investment of about 4,500 million pesos in 2022.The announcement was made at the facilities of CONAE's Punta Indio Space Center (CEPI), located in the town of Pipinas, province of Buenos Aires, by Minister Daniel Filmus and CONAE's executive and technical director, Raúl Kulichevsky.<snip>The Tronador II/III is a two-stage launcher, approximately 28 meters long and 2.5 meters in diameter, with a thrust of about 120 tons at takeoff. "The development of this project will allow Argentina to complete the domain of space technology necessary to put its own satellites, designed and manufactured in the country, into orbit, and to be able to offer this service to other countries in the region and the world," Kulichevsky said. Currently only 10 countries dominate the entire space cycle.<snip>In the first stage, the reactivation of the Access to Space program will allow progress in the development of the experimental vehicles VEx 5 and VEx 6, to consolidate the necessary technologies required by the Tronador II/III projects, such as avionics, propulsion systems and structures. It is estimated that the first flight of these prototypes could take place at the end of 2023. Then the Tronador II-A is planned to be carried out with the aim of satellite payloads of up to 250 kilos at 600 kilometers high. With the following launchers, the aim is to increase the payload to reach 500 kilos with the Tronador II-B, and 750 kilos with the Tronador III.With regard to launch bases, it is planned to recover the necessary infrastructure for the development, manufacture, integration, testing and subsequent launch of experimental VEx vehicles from the facilities of La Capetina, which are part of CEPI. In the future, it is also planned to develop the Manuel Belgrano Space Center (CEMB), in the south of the province of Buenos Aires, where the Launch Center for the VEx 6 vehicle and the Tronador II/III launchers will be located.
Salo said:"Tronador II - Late 2023"From a Chief minister report to the Senate: in 2023 second semester a Vex 5b would be tested. Unlike the failed Vex 5a which had an hypergolic second stage this time it would use kerolox on both stages.
https://twitter.com/AgenciaTelam/status/1539583479465361409