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Re: Wayne Hale sets up his own blog site
« Reply #520 on: 05/18/2017 11:37 PM »
It's a good reminder to view the media with a healthy degree of skepticism...

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Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect works as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward-reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story-and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read with renewed interest as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about far-off Palestine than it was about the story you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.

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Re: Wayne Hale sets up his own blog site
« Reply #521 on: 07/28/2017 02:20 AM »
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Re: Wayne Hale sets up his own blog site
« Reply #522 on: 07/29/2017 10:16 PM »
Another entry.

Game Changing Technology

https://waynehale.wordpress.com/2017/07/28/game-changing-technology/

Such a weird article.

USS Monitor vs. CSS Virginia was the first battle between ironclads, but the French and British navies were already operating ironclads for years at the time. Hardly a game changing invention by a "truly crazy revolutionary".


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Re: Wayne Hale sets up his own blog site
« Reply #523 on: 07/30/2017 02:32 AM »
Another entry.

Game Changing Technology

https://waynehale.wordpress.com/2017/07/28/game-changing-technology/

Such a weird article.

USS Monitor vs. CSS Virginia was the first battle between ironclads, but the French and British navies were already operating ironclads for years at the time. Hardly a game changing invention by a "truly crazy revolutionary".

The article is about defining what a game changing technology is, and used the example of the USS Monitor.
John Ericsson’s design of the USS Monitor was innovative in the way it combined existing technologies.
Of course, it was also in the right place at the right time to cause the entire world to take notice.
Timing is perhaps an important element of that definition.

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Re: Wayne Hale sets up his own blog site
« Reply #524 on: 07/30/2017 03:21 AM »
Another entry.

Game Changing Technology

https://waynehale.wordpress.com/2017/07/28/game-changing-technology/

Such a weird article.

USS Monitor vs. CSS Virginia was the first battle between ironclads, but the French and British navies were already operating ironclads for years at the time. Hardly a game changing invention by a "truly crazy revolutionary".

The article is about defining what a game changing technology is, and used the example of the USS Monitor.
John Ericsson’s design of the USS Monitor was innovative in the way it combined existing technologies.
Of course, it was also in the right place at the right time to cause the entire world to take notice.
Timing is perhaps an important element of that definition.

You could also say the Monitor was a failed application of game changing technology. IIRC, there were no viewports in the rotating turret and no orientating markings inside, and despite communication from the pilothouse, they were reduced to guessing when to fire.

If you ever get the chance to visit Newport News, make sure you visit the USS Monitor Center. http://www.monitorcenter.org/
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Re: Wayne Hale sets up his own blog site
« Reply #525 on: 07/30/2017 04:35 AM »
Another entry.

Game Changing Technology

https://waynehale.wordpress.com/2017/07/28/game-changing-technology/

Such a weird article.

USS Monitor vs. CSS Virginia was the first battle between ironclads, but the French and British navies were already operating ironclads for years at the time. Hardly a game changing invention by a "truly crazy revolutionary".

Just goes by the info on wikipedia, this "years" is actually 2 years 4 months, a pretty short time. Ironclads themselves are game changing, they may not be invented by a "truly crazy revolutionary" but a "truly crazy revolutionary" demonstrated their effectiveness, something to think about...

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Re: Wayne Hale sets up his own blog site
« Reply #526 on: 08/03/2017 10:48 AM »
Another entry.

Game Changing Technology

https://waynehale.wordpress.com/2017/07/28/game-changing-technology/

Such a weird article.

USS Monitor vs. CSS Virginia was the first battle between ironclads, but the French and British navies were already operating ironclads for years at the time. Hardly a game changing invention by a "truly crazy revolutionary".

The article is about defining what a game changing technology is, and used the example of the USS Monitor.
John Ericsson’s design of the USS Monitor was innovative in the way it combined existing technologies.
Of course, it was also in the right place at the right time to cause the entire world to take notice.
Timing is perhaps an important element of that definition.

The British and French ironclads were a lot more conservative; conventional hull designs with incremental armour, propulsion and weapons upgrades compared to all-timber designs. IIRC, Monitor and Virginia were both so innovative that they didn't even look like ships as they were typically visualised at the time. Wayne is probably referring to that when he is talking about game-changing.
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Re: Wayne Hale sets up his own blog site
« Reply #527 on: 08/03/2017 01:40 PM »
It was later found out that the Monitor's guns could have handled twice the powder load in the standard charge it was using. Had the captain known this and ordered double charges be loaded the shells would have had enough momentum to penetrate the Virginia's armor easily. There is a lesion there in failing to fully maximize the advantages of new game changing technology because it is not fully understood.

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Re: Wayne Hale sets up his own blog site
« Reply #528 on: 08/03/2017 06:03 PM »
It was later found out that the Monitor's guns could have handled twice the powder load in the standard charge it was using. Had the captain known this and ordered double charges be loaded the shells would have had enough momentum to penetrate the Virginia's armor easily. There is a lesion there in failing to fully maximize the advantages of new game changing technology because it is not fully understood.

I don't know much about nineteenth century naval technology--but couldn't the USN have been wary of testing cannon to their ultimate failure limits after the "Peacemaker" accident in 1844, aboard the USS Princeton?  (Or, Monitor designer John Ericsson?--He also designed the Princeton.)

(The failed demonstration aboard the Princeton killed Secretary of the State Abel Upshur, Secretary of the Navy Thomas Walker Gilmer, Virgil Maxcy, former Solicitor of the U.S Treasury and charge d'affaires to Belgium, Captain Beverley Kennon, Chief of the Navy's Bureau of Construction, Equipment and Repairs, David Gardiner, New York lawyer and politician, and President John Tyler's slave valet, Armistead.  Other guests were injured.  President Tyler was delayed below deck from attending the demonstration and escaped injury.)

http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,NH_0905_Cruise-P1,00.html

Was it even possible back then to test smooth-bore muzzle-loading cannon to determine maximum powder charge or other interesting facts?
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Re: Wayne Hale sets up his own blog site
« Reply #529 on: 08/04/2017 05:28 AM »
We are heading way OT.  That said...

In the aftermath of the above incident on the Princeton, a regulation had been put in place that no gun could be fired with a full charge until it had been proof-tested.

LT Worden knew the guns had not yet been proof-tested.  They simply had not had time - the guns had been delivered straight from the arsenal to the builders.  The 1st LT/Gunnery Officer asked permission before the battle to use full charges.  Worden cited the reg and said no.  The Monitor thus fought the battle using half-charges.

After the battle, it was fairly obvious that Worden blamed himself for being too pedantic.  During his tenure as CO of Montauk, he was much more aggressive.

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