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Good article Chris!   I think you're the first site to be confirming that.

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Good article Chris!   I think you're the first site to be confirming that.

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Yes indeed. Excellent news!
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Good article Chris!   I think you're the first site to be confirming that.

Ross.

There's some JSC people on twitter talking about dancing around (happy) about it.


and wow!

NASA and it's 500,000 followers:

"NASA @NASASpaceflight NASA has asked to move the STS-335 launch on need flight to June to streamline planning *IF* STS-135 becomes real."

PAO not too happy then. We did check the context and noted the funding element etc.

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That's grand.

So, does the failed PM get to come down on 135?

cheers, Martin

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That's grand.

So, does the failed PM get to come down on 135?

cheers, Martin

That appears to be part of the plan, based on comments I saw in the article.
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That's grand.

So, does the failed PM get to come down on 135?

cheers, Martin

That appears to be part of the plan, based on comments I saw in the article.

Yup. This is totaly awesome news: the failed PM has a chance to come back.

Oh, and STS-135...can't forget that  ;)  :)

I can't wait to see what goes up on the LMC, and in the MPLM. SO many choices, and best yet: the PMM will be in place and they can stuff it full if they need to.
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What is the purpose of staging an EVA using the station crew during STS-135? (Unless a shuttle crew member is involved)

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Have not read the article yet but from what I think they have to use ISS crew member because there are only 4 shuttle crew members for this mission and they will need an EVA for whatever they carry on the LMC thus needing the ISS crew members to perform an EVA
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Just as a note, ISS EVA crewmembers will likely be Ron Garan & Mike Fossum, as they will be the only US crewmembers on ISS during Expedition 28/STS-135. A bonus of using Garan & Fossum is that they both made EVAs together during STS-124 in June 2008! :)
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All right! Atlantis flies again. :)

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Does anyone know what the ISS assembly designation would be for STS-135?  ULF7 maybe?
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Just as a note, ISS EVA crewmembers will likely be Ron Garan & Mike Fossum, as they will be the only US crewmembers on ISS during Expedition 28/STS-135. A bonus of using Garan & Fossum is that they both made EVAs together during STS-124 in June 2008! :)

Still, two shuttle crew members will have to be trained for EVA in the event of a contingency spacewalk, as per normal procedure.

Something that occurred to me, what will the seating look like on launch and entry? Its been a long time since a four crew flight (STS-6!) Will they do it like STS-6 with all four on the flight deck, or STS-5, one MS on the flight deck and another on the mid-deck (done mainly due to Columbia's flight deck not being ready for a fourth seat....maybe done for STS-135 due to the hatch escape system on the mid-deck)?
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Just as a note, ISS EVA crewmembers will likely be Ron Garan & Mike Fossum, as they will be the only US crewmembers on ISS during Expedition 28/STS-135. A bonus of using Garan & Fossum is that they both made EVAs together during STS-124 in June 2008! :)

Still, two shuttle crew members will have to be trained for EVA in the event of a contingency spacewalk, as per normal procedure.

Something that occurred to me, what will the seating look like on launch and entry? Its been a long time since a four crew flight (STS-6!) Will they do it like STS-6 with all four on the flight deck, or STS-5, one MS on the flight deck and another on the mid-deck (done mainly due to Columbia's flight deck not being ready for a fourth seat....maybe done for STS-135 due to the hatch escape system on the mid-deck)?

They'll all be on the flight deck.  Remember that every flight's MS1 has to video the external tank as it falls away after MECO (although his/her duties might include still photos on STS-135 since he/she will be the only one documenting the discarded ET).
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Just as a note, ISS EVA crewmembers will likely be Ron Garan & Mike Fossum, as they will be the only US crewmembers on ISS during Expedition 28/STS-135. A bonus of using Garan & Fossum is that they both made EVAs together during STS-124 in June 2008! :)

Still, two shuttle crew members will have to be trained for EVA in the event of a contingency spacewalk, as per normal procedure.

Something that occurred to me, what will the seating look like on launch and entry? Its been a long time since a four crew flight (STS-6!) Will they do it like STS-6 with all four on the flight deck, or STS-5, one MS on the flight deck and another on the mid-deck (done mainly due to Columbia's flight deck not being ready for a fourth seat....maybe done for STS-135 due to the hatch escape system on the mid-deck)?

They'll all be on the flight deck.  Remember that every flight's MS1 has to video the external tank as it falls away after MECO (although his/her duties might include still photos on STS-135 since he/she will be the only one documenting the discarded ET).

I should imagine they'll pack the mid-deck with as much cargo as they possibly can.
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Great news but I wonder about the unlikely rescue plan.  Wouldn't it make more sense to wait til there was an ISS crew rotation?  only 3 on station when 135 docks - that way the next 3 coming up could step aside for a resuce mission?

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I should imagine they'll pack the mid-deck with as much cargo as they possibly can.

Any cargo would go in the mid-deck lockers or behind / under the trampoline as normal. They wouldn't block the escape pole, the hatch jetison panel on the port side or the cutaway area on the starboard side wall.

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Great news but I wonder about the unlikely rescue plan.  Wouldn't it make more sense to wait til there was an ISS crew rotation?  only 3 on station when 135 docks - that way the next 3 coming up could step aside for a resuce mission?

They will want as many hands a possible to unload the MPLM while everything else is going on.

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Working another article that has STS-135 relation. Someone asked the question about the tank designations....willl be on that, with relevance to STS-134, and also a section on ET-94.


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Great history on the tanks Chris.

This is so awesome...the chance at another shuttle launch. JOY!

And a chance to bring down the failed Pump Module: very important in my books.
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Has Atlantis' sensor package now repaired? (which had a snag cable problem during STS-132)

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Has Atlantis' sensor package now repaired? (which had a snag cable problem during STS-132)

Yes, that was cleared up, and they will do a confirmation of cable routing during processing with the closeout photos.
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Another one on STS-135 and an Atlantis processing update:

SSP remaining cautious over political decision on funding STS-135:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2010/09/ssp-cautious-political-decision-funding-sts-135/

Will set up a standalone on the FY2011 section, given funding is a big part of content in the article.

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1. Is the funding for the STS-134 LON mission approved? (if so, what additional funding is required for STS-135?)

2. Regarding the ET swap, how long can NASA wait to hear about the funding decision? I remember, in one article, December period was mentioned regarding the possible ET swap. If the funding decision drags till the new year, hope this will affect. Also, in case, STS-135 does not fly will the LON mission be assigned with ET-122 instead of the ET-138?

3. About the 11 member astronaut pool, can someone name them?

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1. Is the funding for the STS-134 LON mission approved? (if so, what additional funding is required for STS-135?)

2. Regarding the ET swap, how long can NASA wait to hear about the funding decision? I remember, in one article, December period was mentioned regarding the possible ET swap. If the funding decision drags till the new year, hope this will affect. Also, in case, STS-135 does not fly will the LON mission be assigned with ET-122 instead of the ET-138?

3. About the 11 member astronaut pool, can someone name them?


Good questions there Steve.

On 3 - no, it's a bit taboo to mention names before they are selected.

1) Good question. I'm tempted to say yes, but I'm not sure how final flight LON funding works, as we moved to next flight being the natural LON for the past few years (when the manifest was busy and CSCS was healthy).

2) Right, this is ironic timing, as today's PRCB produced a lengthy presentation on this. I'm still reading through it (we have it on L2), and it covers this subject. Let me work through it and I'll get some answers, but it'll also become another article on 135 (and 134, 335).

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Chris,

Out of curiosity, will you be able to release the 11-name 'pool' AFTER the 135 crew has been formally announced? It would be interesting to know who is in the pool and the criteria for their selection.

Ben


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Chris,

Out of curiosity, will you be able to release the 11-name 'pool' AFTER the 135 crew has been formally announced? It would be interesting to know who is in the pool and the criteria for their selection.

Ben


If I get the 11 names, and if I get permission. Got to be very careful with astros. Orbiters don't answer back, astro office probably would ;D

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Does anyone have a general idea of what liftoff time a June 28, 2011 launch date would target?
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The entire "pool" concept seems a bit odd. Did someone in the crew selection line say "I've narrowed it down to 11...." and want to pick four by committee, or defer to someone above them?

Or are 11 astronauts the only ones currently engaged in any sort of "generic" shuttle work that would have them suitably ready for an actual mission?

The only possible guess I can hazard is the following. Of the last two MPLM missions (STS-128 and STS-131), there are nine active US astronauts (excluding Kevin Ford as he's assigned to an ISS crew). Add two former ISS crew members to the pool, and you have 11. I'd be shocked if that wild estimation comes close to right though.
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The entire "pool" concept seems a bit odd. Did someone in the crew selection line say "I've narrowed it down to 11...." and want to pick four by committee, or defer to someone above them?

Or are 11 astronauts the only ones currently engaged in any sort of "generic" shuttle work that would have them suitably ready for an actual mission?

The only possible guess I can hazard is the following. Of the last two MPLM missions (STS-128 and STS-131), there are nine active US astronauts (excluding Kevin Ford as he's assigned to an ISS crew). Add two former ISS crew members to the pool, and you have 11. I'd be shocked if that wild estimation comes close to right though.

You also have to look at who is up next in the CDR/PLT rotation.  Ken Ham just got back from STS-132 and his last flight was STS-124.  That would put Chris Ferguson (STS-126 CDR) next in line for the CDR position.  If it's not Ferguson, you'd probably see Archambault get the flight.

Antonelli just finished STS-132 and his last mission was STS-119.  Look at the pilots who flew after STS-119 - Ray J Johnson, Doug Hurley, Kevin Ford, Barry Wimore, Terry Virts and Jim Dutton.  Johnson is retired so that puts Hurley at the front of the line for the PLT position. As mentioned before, Kevin Ford is headed for ISS in 2012 so he won't be flying STS-135.  That puts Wilmore, Virts and Dutton in line behind Hurley in case he isn't assiged.

As for the two MSes, look for the most experienced RMS and MPLM crewmembers from recent flights.  My guess?  Stephanie Wilson and Clay Anderson.  Wilson has three flights under heesr belt in the last four years (all with considerable RMS/SSRMS work - Node 2 install, P6 relocation, MPLM, etc.) and Anderson has a four-month stay aboard ISS to his credit, as well as the recent STS-131 MPLM flight.
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Don't forget that MSs with Soyuz experience will be desirable, as there will be no LON for 135. If a Russian CDR, one MS, and one Shuttle PLT/CDR were in each Soyuz, then that would mean only one inexperienced crewmember would be aboard, instead of two.

My best guess at a crew is as follows:

CDR = Chris Ferguson.
As well as being in line to fly, he's practically the chief's number two man, so I expect he'd get the final Shuttle mission. Also, he has been CDR on an MPLM flight before (STS-126).

PLT = Doug Hurley/Barry Wilmore/Terry Virts/Jim Dutton.
I'm really not sure who'll be PLT. Hurley is next in line, but Wilmore, Virts & Dutton all have more recent experience - Dutton has MPLM experience too.

MS-1: Tracy Caldwell-Dyson.
Was on ISS during STS-131, and so has MPLM experience. Was loadmaster for SPACEHAB SM on STS-118. Now has a lot of EVA experience! Obviously has Soyuz experience. Will have very recent experience that she could pass on to other crewmembers.

MS-2: TJ Creamer.
Same reasons as Tracy, minus SPACEHAB SM & EVA experience.
Also, is only remaining NASA Astronaut not to have flown on Shuttle (apart from Shannon Walker, who won't be down until November. Shannon would be desirable however, as she is fully qualified as a Soyuz co-pilot). TJ also flew with Tracy during Exp. 23, and so there would already be a firm bond between them (not required, but desirable).

If Dutton was PLT, with Tracy & TJ as MSs, then all three would have flown together before (during STS-131).
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Does anyone have a general idea of what liftoff time a June 28, 2011 launch date would target?

Refer to the "PRCB Master Manifest - with window constraints - to STS-135 - Sept, 2010" on L2.

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Does anyone have a general idea of what liftoff time a June 28, 2011 launch date would target?


I Saw the CBS Space News that STS-135 might Launch around 3:48 p.m. only if the mission is approved.

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I Saw the CBS Space News that STS-135 might Launch around 3:48 p.m. only if the mission is approved.

Late afternoon in the summer. Be prepared for a scrub or two!

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Does anyone have a general idea of what liftoff time a June 28, 2011 launch date would target?

Refer to the "PRCB Master Manifest - with window constraints - to STS-135 - Sept, 2010" on L2.

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The entire "pool" concept seems a bit odd.

Not to belabor this point but:

The pool concept is nothing new. It's a logical progress toward assigning a flight crew. You don't just pick the astronauts. You look at a qualified list, narrow that list down to a more manageable size (but a size that's still larger than the number of seats available), you start discussions, talk to the astros (remember, even though we might find this hard to believe, some astros might turn down a flight for personal/career reasons). Then, from the smaller pool, you select the final flight crew.

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SSP Begins Review of End State Requirements for Orbiter Discovery - by Chris Gebhardt:

(Information on Atlantis' retirement process too)

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2010/09/ssp-review-end-state-requirements-for-discovery/

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Will NASA announce the STS 335/135 crew this coming week?

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I'll bet they won't announce until/unless Congress (and the Pres) authorize 135 in the FY2011 NASA budget bill. Though perhaps the targeted '335 crew' will be trained w/o announcement
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I'll bet they won't announce until/unless Congress (and the Pres) authorize 135 in the FY2011 NASA budget bill. Though perhaps the targeted '335 crew' will be trained w/o announcement
We'll see; if the 335 crew is named, it's probably going to go public one way or another.  As Bill Harwood wrote, the 335 crew will fly either mission designation.  And as the article that is the topic of this thread details, the program recently aligned the content and launch dates such that training can start while waiting for a decision.


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Holds relevance to STS-135:

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2010/09/sts-134-hardware-planning-aligning-endeavours-mission/

Nice article, Chris!

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In such a scenario, all the unused hardware – which has already been paid for – will be wasted and likely sent to exhibitions, or decommissioned and destroyed – if it can’t find a role in a notional SD HLV program.

Sounds like a subtle hint to somebody (hope they're reading)! ;)
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Will NASA announce the STS 335/135 crew this coming week?

It should be named tomorrow, as indicated from the August 20th article on STS-135.
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According to the meeting notes, crew selection will take place on September 14, with training – or crew loading – to begin on September 27. The June 28, 2011 launch date moves the mission four days to the right of previous evaluations.

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Holds relevance to STS-135:

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2010/09/sts-134-hardware-planning-aligning-endeavours-mission/

Nice article, Chris!

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In such a scenario, all the unused hardware – which has already been paid for – will be wasted and likely sent to exhibitions, or decommissioned and destroyed – if it can’t find a role in a notional SD HLV program.

Sounds like a subtle hint to somebody (hope they're reading)! ;)

Thanks :)

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Will NASA announce the STS 335/135 crew this coming week?

It should be named tomorrow, as indicated from the August 20th article on STS-135.

Oh, I'd forgotten about that! Now you've got me all excited (although we probably won't get to hear about it for a week or so yet).
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Not looking all that likely NASA's going to issue a press release on the STS-335/135 names today, as it's getting a bit late in the day for such a release. I don't want to run ahead of any public announcement (crew selections are rightly protected) so let's see if NASA will announce a crew this week and go from there.

For the record I don't have a full crew on an official memo or something, but we're confident we know who the commander and pilot are. And to be honest, if we did have the full crew, I'd seek a lot of permissions to run names. Reason being, it'd be a nightmare scenario for a crewmember's family to read it on a website before being told themselves.

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They've released it! :)

RELEASE: 10-222

NASA ASSIGNS CREW FOR FINAL LAUNCH ON NEED SHUTTLE MISSION

WASHINGTON -- NASA announced the four astronauts who will make up the
crew of STS-335, the rescue mission that would fly only if needed to
bring home the members of space shuttle Endeavour's STS-134 mission,
currently the final scheduled shuttle flight.

Chris Ferguson, a retired U.S. Navy captain and veteran of two
previous shuttle missions, would command the flight. Astronaut and
U.S. Marine Col. Doug Hurley would serve as pilot, and astronauts
Sandy Magnus and retired U.S. Air Force Col. Rex Walheim would be the
mission specialists.

Based on recommendations made after the loss of space shuttle Columbia
in February 2003, NASA has trained a launch on need crew to be ready
to fly in the event of irreparable damage to a shuttle while in
orbit. Typically, the next crew to fly serves as the rescue crew for
the current mission. The STS-335 crew will prepare for a potential
rescue mission and preserve flexibility if another shuttle flight is
added to the launch manifest.

"These astronauts will begin training immediately as a rescue crew as
well as in the baseline requirements that would be needed to fly an
additional shuttle flight," said Bill Gerstenmaier, associate
administrator for NASA's Space Operations Mission Directorate in
Washington. "The normal training template for a shuttle crew is about
one year prior to launch, so we need to begin training now in order
to maintain the flexibility of flying a rescue mission if needed, or
alter course and fly an additional shuttle mission if that decision
is made."

If required, the STS-335 rescue mission would launch on shuttle
Atlantis in June 2011 to bring home the STS-134 crew from the
International Space Station. STS-134 currently is scheduled to lift
off on Feb. 26, 2011, from NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida. If
converted to an additional shuttle flight, STS-335 would be
redesignated STS-135 and targeted to launch in June 2011.

Ferguson, who was born in Philadelphia, flew on two prior shuttle
missions, STS-115 in 2006 and STS-126 in 2008. Hurley, who was born
in Endicott, N.Y., but considers Apalachin, N.Y., his hometown,
served as the pilot on STS-127 in 2009. Magnus, of Belleville, Ill.,
flew on STS-112 in 2002 and launched to the space station in 2008 on
STS-126, where she served four and a half months as a flight engineer
and science officer on Expedition 18 before returning to Earth on
STS-119 in 2009. Walheim was born in Redwood City, Calif., and
considers San Carlos, Calif., his hometown. He flew on STS-110 in
2002 and STS-122 in 2008.

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Good to see a female astronaut selected for the final shuttle mission and also for Atlantis after two consecutive all male crews (STS-129 and STS-132)

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Good to see a female astronaut selected for the final shuttle mission and also for Atlantis after two consecutive all male crews (STS-129 and STS-132)

Also notable is the fact that all of these astronauts, with the exception of Doug Hurley, made their first flights on Atlantis and in consecutive flights of the orbiter.

STS-110 Atlantis - Rex Walheim as MS
STS-112 Atlantis - Sandra Magnus as MS
STS-115 Atlantis - Chris Ferguson as PLT

This is interesting as well - all three pilot-heavy branches of the military (USAF, USN and USMC) are represented on this flight.

Ferguson - USN
Walheim - USAF
Hurley - USMC

Obviously these had no bearing whatsoever on their selection, but it's cool to see!
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Also notable is the fact that all of these astronauts, with the exception of Doug Hurley, made their first flights on Atlantis and in consecutive flights of the orbiter.

STS-110 Atlantis - Rex Walheim as MS
STS-112 Atlantis - Sandra Magnus as MS
STS-115 Atlantis - Chris Ferguson as PLT

This is interesting as well - all three pilot-heavy branches of the military (USAF, USN and USMC) are represented on this flight.

Ferguson - USN
Walheim - USAF
Hurley - USMC

Obviously these had no bearing whatsoever on their selection, but it's cool to see!

Indeed the crew seems to have ample experience with Atlantis :). Ferguson and Magnus have flown with the STS-126 (a MPLM mission) while Walheim has EVA experience. Magnus has also stayed at ISS for a long duration. Seems like a very good combination and a selection :)

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Chris Ferguson, a retired U.S. Navy captain and veteran of two
previous shuttle missions, would command the flight.

Congress may have something to say about this.  Based on the Senate bill, it seems they want Charlie Bolden himself to command the flight.

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(e) SPACE SHUTTLE MISSION TO ISS.—
16 (1) SPACE SHUTTLE MISSION.—The Adminis-
17 trator shall fly the Launch-On-Need Shuttle mission
18 currently designated in the Shuttle Flight Manifest
19 dated February 28, 2010, to the ISS in fiscal year
20 2011, but no earlier than June 1, 2011, unless re
21 quired earlier by an operations contingency, and
22 pending the results of the assessment required by
23 paragraph (2) and the determination under para
24 graph (3)(A).

I wonder if the Supreme Court has ever established how literally you're supposed to read these bills. :P


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Lets say STS-135 does not fly. In that case will NASA bring back STS-335 to say April or still it will be in June?. If some of the current funding expires on March, then how will NASA plan to cover the costs of STS-335?

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Mark Carreau's article in Aviation Week includes comments from Bill Gerstenmaier on when a decision would need to be made:

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Will part of the Discovery, Endeavour and Atlantis teams be joined together for the processing of STS-135 if congress approves?. Since after STS-133 and 134, Discovery and Endeavour wont be going through mission preparations (although there will be de-servicing actives needed to be done)

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In case it remains STS-335:
MAF speak of their pride in returning ET-122 to the Shuttle manifest - by Philip Sloss.

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2010/09/maf-pride-returning-et-122-shuttle-manifest/

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When is it expected to get a final announcement on if STS-135 will fly or not?
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NASA Engineering and Safety Center Technical Assessment Report:

Assessment of NASA’s Approach to STS-135 with Soyuz Crew Rescue
September 13, 2010

http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/482702main_NESC-RP-10-00640%20Assessment%20of%20the%20%20SSP%20Approach%20to%20STS-135%20with%20Soyuz%20Crew%20Rescue%20(9-13-10%20NRB)%20FINAL%20REPORT.pdf


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NASA Engineering and Safety Center Technical Assessment Report:

Assessment of NASA’s Approach to STS-135 with Soyuz Crew Rescue
September 13, 2010

http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/482702main_NESC-RP-10-00640%20Assessment%20of%20the%20%20SSP%20Approach%20to%20STS-135%20with%20Soyuz%20Crew%20Rescue%20(9-13-10%20NRB)%20FINAL%20REPORT.pdf


Thanks for the link.

Edit -- some interesting details and clarifications in the report.
« Last Edit: 09/22/2010 10:39 PM by psloss »

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NASA Engineering and Safety Center Technical Assessment Report:

Assessment of NASA’s Approach to STS-135 with Soyuz Crew Rescue
September 13, 2010

http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/482702main_NESC-RP-10-00640%20Assessment%20of%20the%20%20SSP%20Approach%20to%20STS-135%20with%20Soyuz%20Crew%20Rescue%20(9-13-10%20NRB)%20FINAL%20REPORT.pdf



Cool! I was wondering if they would restrict that....and they didn't. A lot of reading to be done there, but the summary tells the story.

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When is it expected to get a final announcement on if STS-135 will fly or not?
There is no real set date that I am aware of, it really hinges on when Congress can agree on things and give the final nod before they end the session.

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When is it expected to get a final announcement on if STS-135 will fly or not?
There is no real set date that I am aware of, it really hinges on when Congress can agree on things and give the final nod before they end the session.

Can't remember where I read it, but saw a recent interview with Bill Gerstenmier that stated that the Agency hoped to decided by January 2011 whether or not to fly Atlantis on STS-135.

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So when is this expect to happen from the congress side ? Clearly at some point of the time, they will have to say yes or no. And has NASA request them to do so before the so called January 2011 deadline.

There is no real set date that I am aware of, it really hinges on when Congress can agree on things and give the final nod before they end the session.

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So when is this expect to happen from the congress side ? Clearly at some point of the time, they will have to say yes or no. And has NASA request them to do so before the so called January 2011 deadline.

There is no real set date that I am aware of, it really hinges on when Congress can agree on things and give the final nod before they end the session.

According to the local news tonight here in Orlando, Congress has reached an impass on NASA's budget that is unlikely to be resolved before Congress recesses in two weeks. Exactly what this means is still unclear.

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Thank you Chris :). I thought they already had a recess until September. Sadly, seems like it is dragging. Not to mention that the final approval has to come from president Obama. Seems like that the whole process will take a long time which could severely impact the chances of STS-135 flying.

So when is this expect to happen from the congress side ? Clearly at some point of the time, they will have to say yes or no. And has NASA request them to do so before the so called January 2011 deadline.

There is no real set date that I am aware of, it really hinges on when Congress can agree on things and give the final nod before they end the session.

According to the local news tonight here in Orlando, Congress has reached an impass on NASA's budget that is unlikely to be resolved before Congress recesses in two weeks. Exactly what this means is still unclear.

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Thank you Chris :). I thought they already had a recess until September. Sadly, seems like it is dragging. Not to mention that the final approval has to come from president Obama. Seems like that the whole process will take a long time which could severely impact the chances of STS-135 flying.

Congress is dragging its feet on the issue and I fear Obama will veto the bill that would approve STS-135 for no other reason than the fact it wasn't his plan.  He will probably prove to be the biggest obstacle here.
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Thank you Chris :). I thought they already had a recess until September. Sadly, seems like it is dragging. Not to mention that the final approval has to come from president Obama. Seems like that the whole process will take a long time which could severely impact the chances of STS-135 flying.

Congress is dragging its feet on the issue and I fear Obama will veto the bill that would approve STS-135 for no other reason than the fact it wasn't his plan.  He will probably prove to be the biggest obstacle here.
The hangup on the authorization bill is a disagreement between some members of the House and the Senate:
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20100920/NEWS02/9200306/1006/NEWS01/Lawmakers+scramble+for+NASA+policy++funds

With respect to Obama on this issue:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=22270.msg639262#msg639262

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The hangup on the authorization bill is a disagreement between some members of the House and the Senate:
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20100920/NEWS02/9200306/1006/NEWS01/Lawmakers+scramble+for+NASA+policy++funds

With respect to Obama on this issue:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=22270.msg639262#msg639262


I know about the hangup.  As for Obama, I know that he has a habit of saying one thing and doing another.  In 2008 he promised an additional shuttle mission (among other things) at a rally in Titusville.  When the time came for him to form his plan for NASA's future, he broke every single promise he'd made, including the extra shuttle mission.  That's why I'm a little leary about what he'll do.
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The hangup on the authorization bill is a disagreement between some members of the House and the Senate:
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20100920/NEWS02/9200306/1006/NEWS01/Lawmakers+scramble+for+NASA+policy++funds

With respect to Obama on this issue:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=22270.msg639262#msg639262


I know about the hangup.  As for Obama, I know that he has a habit of saying one thing and doing another.  In 2008 he promised an additional shuttle mission (among other things) at a rally in Titusville.  When the time came for him to form his plan for NASA's future, he broke every single promise he'd made, including the extra shuttle mission.  That's why I'm a little leary about what he'll do.
I think we've discussed this before:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=22465.msg626916#msg626916

(The situation has changed again since then, at least from the public perspective.)

That additional Shuttle mission (STS-134) was authorized in October, 2008.  (In part due to support from both Presidential nominees.)  That's where the authorization to proceed with the work on ET-122 came from.
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(The situation has changed again since then, at least from the public perspective.)

That additional Shuttle mission (STS-134) was authorized in October, 2008.  (In part due to support from both Presidential nominees.)  That's where the authorization to proceed with the work on ET-122 came from.

I know, but STS-134 doesn't really score a tally in Obama's promises column.  That was done while Bush was still in office.  STS-135 is the one people think of when they listen to Obama's speech from August 2008.  The differences between his promises and his actual plan are making people wonder just what he'll do when it comes to signing a bill that authorizes a plan that isn't his.
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(The situation has changed again since then, at least from the public perspective.)

That additional Shuttle mission (STS-134) was authorized in October, 2008.  (In part due to support from both Presidential nominees.)  That's where the authorization to proceed with the work on ET-122 came from.

I know, but STS-134 doesn't really score a tally in Obama's promises column.  That was done while Bush was still in office.  STS-135 is the one people think of when they listen to Obama's speech from August 2008.
Nope, it was the AMS flight, as that's all that was being discussed:

http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/08/17/obamas-detailed-space-policy/
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/2008/09/obama-letter-to.html

Even after the election, the additional flight was still being referred to as STS-134:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2009/02/shuttle-planning-clfs-ams-noted-maf-extra-ets/

And STS-135 didn't start showing up in documentation until after that (early spring last year).
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Nope, it was the AMS flight, as that's all that was being discussed:

http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/08/17/obamas-detailed-space-policy/
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/2008/09/obama-letter-to.html

Even after the election, the additional flight was still being referred to as STS-134:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2009/02/shuttle-planning-clfs-ams-noted-maf-extra-ets/

And STS-135 didn't start showing up in documentation until after that (early spring last year).


But my point is this - Why did he promise an extra shuttle mission when it was already in the works by the previous administration?  We all knew that people in Congress were working to add STS-134.  Obama had nothing to do with that.  Many people I've spoken to believed that he was saying he'd add another mission beyond STS-134, in which case, was not true, as his plan said nothing about another flight.  Of course, no one was using the term "STS-135" at the time, but it's the same thing.
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But my point is this - Why did he promise an extra shuttle mission when it was already in the works by the previous administration?  We all knew that people in Congress were working to add STS-134.  Obama had nothing to do with that.  Many people I've spoken to believed that he was saying he'd add another mission beyond STS-134, in which case, was not true, as his plan said nothing about another flight.
Both candidates supported the Shuttle mission to deliver AMS because Dr. Griffin had testified to Congress that there wasn't sufficient funding to do so.  Adding another flight beyond ULF-5 also greatly increased the risk that the last Shuttle flight might not be completed by the end of FY 2010 deadline.

There was no flight beyond ULF-5, so anything beyond that would have qualified as an extension -- something that Dr. Griffin reluctantly directed be studied in the fall of 2008, also in response to support for that from both candidates.

If people interpreted McCain and Obama's policy papers as referring to something beyond the AMS flight, then they were forgetting or ignoring Dr. Griffin's administration of policy at the time, which was to complete Shuttle flights by the end of FY 2010.
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Both candidates supported the Shuttle mission to deliver AMS because Dr. Griffin had testified to Congress that there wasn't sufficient funding to do so.  Adding another flight beyond ULF-5 also greatly increased the risk that the last Shuttle flight might not be completed by the end of FY 2010 deadline.

There was no flight beyond ULF-5, so anything beyond that would have qualified as an extension -- something that Dr. Griffin reluctantly directed be studied in the fall of 2008, also in response to support for that from both candidates.

If people interpreted McCain and Obama's policy papers as referring to something beyond the AMS flight, then they were forgetting or ignoring Dr. Griffin's administration of policy at the time, which was to complete Shuttle flights by the end of FY 2010.


I'm not talking about what Obama did as a candidate.  I'm talking about what he promised to do if he were elected.  One of those promises was adding an additional shuttle flight.  Yes, it goes against Griffin.  Yes, it would have required more money.  But both of those can be done, as we've seen with STS-134.  However, Obama was not responsible for STS-134.  That was authorized before he took office.
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I'm not talking about what Obama did as a candidate.  I'm talking about what he promised to do if he were elected.  One of those promises was adding an additional shuttle flight.  Yes, it goes against Griffin.  Yes, it would have required more money.  But both of those can be done, as we've seen with STS-134.  However, Obama was not responsible for STS-134.  That was authorized before he took office.
In other words, the promise on the AMS flight that both Obama and McCain made was fulfilled before the election.  Pressure from both of them was a key to getting HR 6063 enacted. 

Why would either of them be on the hook for another flight beyond AMS?  The only context that flights beyond AMS was discussed was with respect to a possible Shuttle extension -- something that pressure from both candidates got Dr. Griffin to reluctantly study in late August 2008 -- again before either of them took office and had the official power to do so.
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In other words, the promise on the AMS flight that both Obama and McCain made was fulfilled before the election.  Pressure from both of them was a key to getting HR 6063 enacted. 

Why would either of them be on the hook for another flight beyond AMS?  The only context that flights beyond AMS was discussed was with respect to a possible Shuttle extension -- something that pressure from both candidates got Dr. Griffin to reluctantly study in late August 2008 -- again before either of them took office and had the official power to do so.


His exact words on August 2, 2008 (not 22nd like I thought, sorry) were "We're going to work with Bill Nelson to add at least one more flight beyond 2010."  STS-134 was already in the works FOR 2010.  That's why many people believed he was going to add one beyond STS-134.  It's also why many called bs when he announced his plans for FY2011, as his plan did not include the additional shuttle flight.
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NASA Engineering and Safety Center Technical Assessment Report:

Assessment of NASA’s Approach to STS-135 with Soyuz Crew Rescue
September 13, 2010

http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/482702main_NESC-RP-10-00640%20Assessment%20of%20the%20%20SSP%20Approach%20to%20STS-135%20with%20Soyuz%20Crew%20Rescue%20(9-13-10%20NRB)%20FINAL%20REPORT.pdf

Thank you for that link, that's really great reading.

I had never considered that STS-135 crewmembers would have to meet anthropometric requirements for the Soyuz.

There are many benefits of using long-duration crewmembers on 135, it seems - they have Russian skills, Soyuz skills, ISS exercise equipment skills, and general skills for living in space for extended periods. Plus, they would already have Sokol suits.
Given these facts, I'm surprised they didn't select two long-duration MSs, instead of just one (Sandy).

Interesting how the new Soyuz 700 series can be launched with just one crewmember.

I had another thought recently: Assume that CSCS is declared, what would happen to the MPLM? Would it be put back in the PLB and undocked with the Orbiter? Or would they leave it on ISS for the duration of CSCS as a storage room/living area for the 135 crew?
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STS-134 was already in the works FOR 2010.
Not at that time; STS-134 didn't appear on FAWG manifests until later in August.  At that time, it was only a LON for the last flight; AMS wasn't associated with STS-134 until after Congress authorized the flight.

But it's past obvious that we're going to have to agree to disagree on this.

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Not at that time; STS-134 didn't appear on FAWG manifests until later in August.  At that time, it was only a LON for the last flight; AMS wasn't associated with STS-134 until after Congress authorized the flight.

But it's past obvious that we're going to have to agree to disagree on this.

That's true, but my thinking was that since the program was supposed to end in September 2010 and the final flight (STS-133 at the time) was set for July 2010, Obama was speaking about a possible STS-135 even though STS-134 and 335 had yet to show up on manifests.  I guess he threw me when he said "add at least one more flight BEYOND 2010," as STS-134 was likely going to be slated for 2010 with the knowledge we had at that time.

But yes, if we must disagree, no problem.  Either way, I look forward to seeing what happens in the coming weeks and months for STS-134 and STS-135.  Thanks!  :)
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I had another thought recently: Assume that CSCS is declared, what would happen to the MPLM? Would it be put back in the PLB and undocked with the Orbiter? Or would they leave it on ISS for the duration of CSCS as a storage room/living area for the 135 crew?

Unlike the PMM to be carried on 133, the 135 MPLM will not be rated for long-duration stay at ISS. Most likely, if CSCS were to be declared, it would be filled with trash, transferred back to the payload bay, and disposed with the orbiter.
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House plan edges toward extra shuttle flight

WASHINGTON — The latest House proposal for NASA's future edges closer to President Obama's plan to develop a commercial rocket program and would provide the extra space shuttle flight sought by shuttle advocates in Florida.

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20100924/NEWS02/9240318/House-plan-edges-toward-extra-shuttle-flight

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Interestingly in the following NASA page http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/flyout/art_tribute.html, the tribute for Atlantis is not displayed.

The Atlantis tribute was created before STS-132, and I wonder whether with the possibility of STS-135, NASA is going to make a new display for Atlantis again  :)


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NASA web site says ET-122 is for Endeavour's STS-134 mission.  Is this now a done deal ?

As I remember, according to Chris B, a decision on ET-122/ET-138 swap for STS-134 and STS-335/135 was to made in the November/December time frame?

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NASA web site says ET-122 is for Endeavour's STS-134 mission.  Is this now a done deal ?

As I remember, according to Chris B, a decision on ET-122/ET-138 swap for STS-134 and STS-335/135 was to made in the November/December time frame?

FWIW, the NTD reports on L2 that are posted every morning seem to indicate the same - ET-122 is going on STS-134, ET-138 is flying on STS-335 / STS-135, whichever is needed.
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NASA web site says ET-122 is for Endeavour's STS-134 mission.  Is this now a done deal ?

As I remember, according to Chris B, a decision on ET-122/ET-138 swap for STS-134 and STS-335/135 was to made in the November/December time frame?

FWIW, the NTD reports on L2 that are posted every morning seem to indicate the same - ET-122 is going on STS-134, ET-138 is flying on STS-335 / STS-135, whichever is needed.
Right -- there's enough time to have both tanks ready.  That keeps options open for as long as possible, and the focus remains on when Washington might provide some clarity.

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So now when will  S. 3729 go to the White House to get  the president's signature? :)

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I'm glad they approved STS-135.  Besides, it's a much nicer round number to end the program on, rather than STS-134. :)


Out of curiosity, why will STS-135 be only 4 months after STS-134?  Why not 6 months for a full crew rotation stay on the ISS?  Or why not a full year, so then the last shuttle resupply mission is Feb 2012 rather than Jun 2011.  Seems they'd want to stretch out that last flight longer than just 4 months.
Heck, I'd say do STS-134 6 months for more after STS-133, and then STS-135 6 months or more after that.

Why do they have STS-134 and STS-135 scheduled like they do?

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I'm glad they approved STS-135.  Besides, it's a much nicer round number to end the program on, rather than STS-134. :)


Out of curiosity, why will STS-135 be only 4 months after STS-134?  Why not 6 months for a full crew rotation stay on the ISS?

Not sure what you're getting at here; the shuttle doesn't do crew rotation any more, and hasn't for over a year.

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  Or why not a full year, so then the last shuttle resupply mission is Feb 2012 rather than Jun 2011.  Seems they'd want to stretch out that last flight longer than just 4 months.
Heck, I'd say do STS-134 6 months for more after STS-133, and then STS-135 6 months or more after that.

Why do they have STS-134 and STS-135 scheduled like they do?

Because the "burn rate" of the shuttle program is ~$200 million per month, so the longer you stretch the program, the more expensive it gets. As it is, flying 135 in June 2011 requires around $600 million extra. If you extend to February 2012, that's a cool $2.2 billion that has to be found somewhere else in the NASA budget. The money needs to be freed up to do all the other things the Senate bill calls for.

Heck, if the final appropriations bill calls for 135 to be funded, even partially, out of the ISS budget (as some rumors have maintained), then Suffredini might even decide he doesn't want 135 that bad any more. The benefit from the additional supplies and spares wouldn't be worth the cost.
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Heck, if the final appropriations bill calls for 135 to be funded, even partially, out of the ISS budget (as some rumors have maintained), then Suffredini might even decide he doesn't want 135 that bad any more. The benefit from the additional supplies and spares wouldn't be worth the cost.

Maybe not, but certainly at the moment they feel it a necessity. I'll take the positive when I can  :)
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Heck, if the final appropriations bill calls for 135 to be funded, even partially, out of the ISS budget (as some rumors have maintained), then Suffredini might even decide he doesn't want 135 that bad any more. The benefit from the additional supplies and spares wouldn't be worth the cost.

A great surprise :o.

1. Suffredini has been quoted  saying if there is an additional flight, he would like to have that in Summer of 2011.

2. Even at that time, he would have known about the required expenses to maintain the SSP.

3. In my view, NASA won't go on to formal STS-135 planning as it did in August, unless all internal matters were sorted out?

4. Another fuzzy area is how will STS-335 be funded? Lets say a very hypothetical scenario of STS-134 needing a rescue. Hence, at least till April 2011, NASA needs funding to maintain the SSP. If the funding allocation is in March it is OK (since we know the outcome of STS-134), if it has to be before STS-134, then it is unclear. And not sure whether  funding for STS-335 can be utilized for STS-135.

As I understood, the main obstacle for STS-135 was the Congress and President's legal approval. Now the Congress has passed the Bill authorizing the additional flight.

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But no additional funds have been appropriated as yet.
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4. Another fuzzy area is how will STS-335 be funded? Lets say a very hypothetical scenario of STS-134 needing a rescue. Hence, at least till April 2011, NASA needs funding to maintain the SSP. If the funding allocation is in March it is OK (since we know the outcome of STS-134), if it has to be before STS-134, then it is unclear. And not sure whether  funding for STS-335 can be utilized for STS-135.

First, STS-335 is targeted to launch NET June 28, 2011, not April.

Second, if we're talking STS-335, NASA will take the money, if not appropriated from Congress by that time, from another part of the budget they have been allocated under the Continuing Resolution passed last week -- which they are operating under now. All else at that point would be secondary to getting the crew of STS-134 home safely.


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Some time back there was news about STS-135 could be flown with either Atlantis or Discovery. Now that NASA has decided it with Atlantis, can someone explain the main reasons behind it? (i.e., why Discovery was not chosen)


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NASA faces tough decisions to plan STS-135 ahead of funding appropriation:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2010/10/nasa-decisions-plan-sts-135-ahead-funding-appropriation/

I'm a little confused.  If they are on CR for FY11, doesn't that mean their funding is the same as in FY10, and isn't Shuttle funded pretty fully in FY10?  If so, wouldn't that leave them with the funds to fly 135?  I thought the trouble was going to be the planned ramp down of Shuttle funds in FY11.

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NASA faces tough decisions to plan STS-135 ahead of funding appropriation:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2010/10/nasa-decisions-plan-sts-135-ahead-funding-appropriation/

I'm a little confused.  If they are on CR for FY11, doesn't that mean their funding is the same as in FY10, and isn't Shuttle funded pretty fully in FY10?  If so, wouldn't that leave them with the funds to fly 135?

Only until the FY11 appropriations bill passes.
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Some time back there was news about STS-135 could be flown with either Atlantis or Discovery. Now that NASA has decided it with Atlantis, can someone explain the main reasons behind it? (i.e., why Discovery was not chosen)

Second part of this article here shows the logic behind why Atlantis is acceptable for use on STS-335/135.

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2010/07/nasa-updates-sts-335-planning-and-fleet-omdp-lifetime-requirements/

Simple answer to why she [Atlantis] was chosen is A) All necessary safety inspections will/have been completed; B) She is much further along in processing than Discovery (considering Discovery has not even launched yet on the mission she would need to complete before taking up assignment on 135/335); C) it simply would not be economical to send Discovery through the same processing schedule Atlantis has been in since May 26, 2010 when she is perfectly capable of carrying out the 335/135 mission.

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An early version of the STS-135 flight plan is at:

http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/home/flightdata/flightplan.html#135


Technically is the planned EVA-1  a STS-135 EVA or an ISS EVA? (The two spacewalkers mentioned are from the ISS crew and not from the shuttle crew)

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An early version of the STS-135 flight plan is at:

http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/home/flightdata/flightplan.html#135


Technically is the planned EVA-1  a STS-135 EVA or an ISS EVA? (The two spacewalkers mentioned are from the ISS crew and not from the shuttle crew)

I believe it will/is classified as an ISS EVA.

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Any info about upcoming processing flow major events for Atlantis on STS-135 ?. NASA KSC twitter site says "Techs will work through the weekend on ground equipment for Atlantis' ammonia system, which cools hardware while the shuttle's in orbit"

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ASAP and Shuttle Program concerned over continuing STS-135 uncertainty - by Philip Sloss:

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2010/10/asap-shuttle-concerned-continuing-sts-135-uncertainty/

Dedicated thread for this article is on the Space Policy section, given that is the heavy angle of the report.

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An early version of the STS-135 flight plan is at:

http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/home/flightdata/flightplan.html#135


Technically is the planned EVA-1  a STS-135 EVA or an ISS EVA? (The two spacewalkers mentioned are from the ISS crew and not from the shuttle crew)

I believe it will/is classified as an ISS EVA.

I wonder when STs-135 receives funding, whether or not more EVa's will be added as has been the case with Sts-133 and STS-134, especially for those "orphan" tasks.
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By now, has NASA finalized the ET-138 - ET-122 swap decision between Endeavour and Atlantis?

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By now, has NASA finalized the ET-138 - ET-122 swap decision between Endeavour and Atlantis?

Don't think it will be "final" until the ET/SRB Mate Review later this month. But all internal documents are showing the switch, yes.

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An early version of the STS-135 flight plan is at:

http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/home/flightdata/flightplan.html#135


Technically is the planned EVA-1  a STS-135 EVA or an ISS EVA? (The two spacewalkers mentioned are from the ISS crew and not from the shuttle crew)

I believe it will/is classified as an ISS EVA.

I wonder when STs-135 receives funding, whether or not more EVa's will be added as has been the case with Sts-133 and STS-134, especially for those "orphan" tasks.

Doubtful. The mission just does not have the crew support for EVAs - hence why the only scheduled EVA for this flight will be conducted by the ISS crew, not Atlantis's crew.

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I wonder when STs-135 receives funding, whether or not more EVa's will be added as has been the case with Sts-133 and STS-134, especially for those "orphan" tasks.

To expand on what Geb said, it's important to remember that STS-133 and STS-134 each have a crew of six.  STS-135 has a crew of four and they'll be tied up with transfers from the MPLM the whole time.
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I wonder when STs-135 receives funding, whether or not more EVa's will be added as has been the case with Sts-133 and STS-134, especially for those "orphan" tasks.

To expand on what Geb said, it's important to remember that STS-133 and STS-134 each have a crew of six.  STS-135 has a crew of four and they'll be tied up with transfers from the MPLM the whole time.

And to go off of what Nate said, remember, also, that because of the 4 person crew size, STS-135 is planned to rendezvous and dock with the ISS on FD-4 instead of the traditional FD-3.

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I wonder when STs-135 receives funding, whether or not more EVa's will be added as has been the case with Sts-133 and STS-134, especially for those "orphan" tasks.

To expand on what Geb said, it's important to remember that STS-133 and STS-134 each have a crew of six.  STS-135 has a crew of four and they'll be tied up with transfers from the MPLM the whole time.

And to go off of what Nate said, remember, also, that because of the 4 person crew size, STS-135 is planned to rendezvous and dock with the ISS on FD-4 instead of the traditional FD-3.

understand about the shuttle crew, but wondering about adding EVA's for the station crew. I remember that USOS eva's have some kind of issue with gas recharging being an issue, and the only way to recharge is shuttle, so that is why most EVA's occur during docked ops.
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Bolden had said "extra Shuttle flight will protect against private spaceship delays" on November 16 at the Marshall Space Flight Center.

http://www.spacenews.com/civil/101119-extra-flights-needed-hedge-cots-delays.html

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I wonder when STs-135 receives funding, whether or not more EVa's will be added as has been the case with Sts-133 and STS-134, especially for those "orphan" tasks.

To expand on what Geb said, it's important to remember that STS-133 and STS-134 each have a crew of six.  STS-135 has a crew of four and they'll be tied up with transfers from the MPLM the whole time.

And to go off of what Nate said, remember, also, that because of the 4 person crew size, STS-135 is planned to rendezvous and dock with the ISS on FD-4 instead of the traditional FD-3.

understand about the shuttle crew, but wondering about adding EVA's for the station crew. I remember that USOS eva's have some kind of issue with gas recharging being an issue, and the only way to recharge is shuttle, so that is why most EVA's occur during docked ops.

Doubtful. The mission is currently classed as a 12+0+2 day flight with a docking on FD-3 and undocking on FD-11 -- landing on FD-13.

EVA-1 is currently planned for FD-5 with FI on FD-6 (if needed).

Here's the preliminary timeline: http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/home/flightdata/flightplan.html#135

NOTE: FD-3 docking was under evaluation a few months ago for the express purpose of gaining additional docked time for the already crowded schedule.
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Earlier in one of Chris B's STS-135 articles, the mission duration was mentioned as 11+1+2 days. Has it now been changed to 12+0+2 days ?

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Earlier in one of Chris B's STS-135 articles, the mission duration was mentioned as 11+1+2 days. Has it now been changed to 12+0+2 days ?

Yes, it has. If you have L2 access, reference the Nov. 9, 2010 FAWG.

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if STS-134 launch is push back to April 1. will the STS-135 mission be push back also?

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if STS-134 launch is push back to April 1. will the STS-135 mission be push back also?

Well that's the NET for 134 at this time. STS-135 is placed at the end of June, so the spacing is still ok. In fact, NASA has wanted to launch 135 as late as they'd be allowed to via funding (preference for July, maybe August), as the purpose of 135 is to leave the ISS in the best possible config prior to COTS/CRS being fully on line.

So technically, this 133 slip isn't all that bad at all for 135. The battle which remains is to gain the required funding.

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STS-135: Downmass requests build with ISS interest in returning a BGA motor:

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Very interesting.  I wonder if they can return with all of that.  If not, I wonder what gets priority - the PMA or the AP (I'm thinking the AP).
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Very interesting.  I wonder if they can return with all of that.  If not, I wonder what gets priority - the PMA or the AP (I'm thinking the AP).

Well, they plan for contingency and AOA cases with a full payload, so I think they can return fully loaded as long as CG and safety margins are within limits.

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Can they fit the BGA motor on the LMC, or would they need a separate carrier?

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Can they fit the BGA motor on the LMC, or would they need a separate carrier?

It's small enough to fit inside the airlock. The current on-orbit spare is stored in PMA-3 and rode up inside the MPLM on STS-131.

This one can either go in the MPLM or the mid-deck.
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Well, they plan for contingency and AOA cases with a full payload, so I think they can return fully loaded as long as CG and safety margins are within limits.

That I know - But with the PMA, they'd likely come back heavier than when they launched unless they don't plan to bring much back aboard the MPLM.
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With the new short-term appropriations bill signed on Dec. 22 through March 4,  several Internet sites say that STS-135 will not have funding problems. (since $3.1 billion appropriated for the space shuttle program in 2010 in sufficient for STS-133, 134 and 135)

1. Since at least in current belief is that the lauch will take place in late June, when will NASA officially manifest it?

2. When will the tank swap decision between STS-134 and STS-135 be official? (or are they waiting till ET-137 investigations are over so that anything learnt from it can be applied here)

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With the new short-term appropriations bill signed on Dec. 22 through March 4,  several Internet sites say that STS-135 will not have funding problems. (since $3.1 billion appropriated for the space shuttle program in 2010 in sufficient for STS-133, 134 and 135)

1. Since at least in current belief is that the lauch will take place in late June, when will NASA officially manifest it?

2. When will the tank swap decision between STS-134 and STS-135 be official? (or are they waiting till ET-137 investigations are over so that anything learnt from it can be applied here)

1. Currently plans are tentative, but NASA has said they can go as late as "spring 2011" before making a final call on STS-135.

2. ET-122 on STS-134 is already official (has been since ET/SRB mate review last month -- and earlier than that based on the morning NTD reports and the fact that they rolled the SRBs for STS-134 out of HB1 and into HB3 about two months ago in preparation for mating to ET-122). ET-138 will be the LON tank on STS-335 as well as the tank for the still notional STS-135. 

ET-122 mate to SRBs for STS-134 is tentatively targeted for January 11 but is still highly dependent on the results of the instrumented Tanking Test last week and the ET intertank back-side X-rays to take place over the coming weeks.
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The NASA Authorization Act of 2010 (P.L. 111-267) directs NASA to conduct the above referenced mission. As of this date, the Congress has not cleared final FY 2011 appropriations for the Federal government, including NASA. However, the FY 2011 Continuing Appropriations Act provides funding for most Federal departments and agencies, including NASA, through March 4, 2010, at FY 2010 enacted levels. Funding made available in this measure will enable NASA to work towards the STS-135 mission.

For this reason, I ask that you continue planning and preparations efforts to execute this mission in late June 2011 as currently planned. This includes maintaining the requisite workforce to safely conduct this mission and extending contracts if necessary. We must focus on STS-135 as a real mission as well as a Launch-On-Need capability for the STS-134. Without clarity in focus now we reduce the probability of safely executing this critical mission. The purpose of this memorandum is to provide clear direction for the teams. STS-135 is critical to health of the International Space Station.


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Something doesn't compute in that article... Bolden says that they determined the mission would be safe, but they can't formally approve the flight until they determine the mission will be safe?

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Something doesn't compute in that article... Bolden says that they determined the mission would be safe, but they can't formally approve the flight until they determine the mission will be safe?
Sounds like he said something to the effect that the safety assessment isn't final.  Perhaps in a formal sense and perhaps the assessment process isn't complete.

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Something doesn't compute in that article... Bolden says that they determined the mission would be safe, but they can't formally approve the flight until they determine the mission will be safe?
Sounds like he said something to the effect that the safety assessment isn't final.  Perhaps in a formal sense and perhaps the assessment process isn't complete.


Wait... I thought the assessment process for safety was completed back in September? What am I missing here? I clearly remember that in the Congressional bill (now law) that provided direction to fly STS-135 we had discussions on the fact that the safety assessments were already complete.

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Wait... I thought the assessment process for safety was completed back in September? What am I missing here? I clearly remember that in the Congressional bill (now law) that provided direction to fly STS-135 we had discussions on the fact that the safety assessments were already complete.
The NESC report was completed in September, but the Shuttle and ISS programs reviewed and responded to findings and recommendations subsequent to that.  And then oversight bodies like the ASAP reviewed both the report and subsequent responses.

This doesn't sound like a big deal, more along the lines that the process of vetting the report and subsequent actions isn't formally complete yet.
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Wait... I thought the assessment process for safety was completed back in September? What am I missing here? I clearly remember that in the Congressional bill (now law) that provided direction to fly STS-135 we had discussions on the fact that the safety assessments were already complete.
The NESC report was completed in September, but the Shuttle and ISS programs reviewed and responded to findings and recommendations subsequent to that.  And then oversight bodies like the ASAP reviewed both the report and subsequent responses.

This doesn't sound like a big deal, more along the lines that the process of vetting the report and subsequent actions isn't formally complete yet.


Ah, I understand.

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The NASA Authorization Act of 2010 has recognized the importance to ISS of flying one more shuttle flight in addition to the two remaining on the manifest.  We have looked at the safety aspects of that flight, and we have determined that this additional flight is as safe as previous flights and has adequate crew rescue capability if needed.  We are currently planning to fly this additional flight, STS-135 – as the FY 2011 budget process sorts itself out.

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"STS-335" will transition to "STS-135" designation for INTERNAL documents next week according to NASA briefing this afternoon. This is not an official indication that the mission will actually fly, just that all personnel need to "really start thinking and planning as if this mission will actually launch." Need to get through STS-133 and the Continuing Resolution from Congress (which expires 4 March) and see then see what the budget for the remainder of the year is before nailing down formal plan for 135.

Launch date is still NET 28 June 2011. ISS program would like to fly the mission "as late in the fiscal year as possible."

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Launch date is still NET 28 June 2011. ISS program would like to fly the mission "as late in the fiscal year as possible."

Is there anything, anywhere, on what the other windows may be for 'late in the fiscal year'?

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Launch date is still NET 28 June 2011. ISS program would like to fly the mission "as late in the fiscal year as possible."

Is there anything, anywhere, on what the other windows may be for 'late in the fiscal year'?
Haven't seen anything yet, but would expect to see a few projected T-0 times based on the "late August" timeframe mentioned in the briefing today that would be the preference, if there's budget for it.

There's a thread here on ISS schedule that shows some of the traffic that would be part of the constraints in the summer:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=61.0

There are still a few big things, like the budget and STS-133 (and maybe 134), that are outstanding before a more firm launch date might be published.
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Thanks! Wasn't looking for anything firm, as I understand all the variables leading up to 135.  That helps already though, thanks!

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Is there a likelyhood that the decision whether to fly STS-135 will be taken after STS-134 has been completed?

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Is there a likelyhood that the decision whether to fly STS-135 will be taken after STS-134 has been completed?

CHrisG's post above reflects the best known plan for now.

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Is there a likelyhood that the decision whether to fly STS-135 will be taken after STS-134 has been completed?

CHrisG's post above reflects the best known plan for now.

As rdale stated, my post above is the best known plan right now, but NASA managers have alluded to the fact that they could go as late as the end of March/beginning of April before making a firm decision on STS-135. Of course, that is based on a NET 28 June 2011 launch date.
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Launch date is still NET 28 June 2011. ISS program would like to fly the mission "as late in the fiscal year as possible."

Is there anything, anywhere, on what the other windows may be for 'late in the fiscal year'?

For info, there is a beta angle cut-out which ends on August 15. Usually NASA will schedule their launch dates immediately after a cut-out to maximize the launch window (April 18 is also immediately after a beta angle cut-out).

So I'd be looking for a date around August 16. Of course this will be subject to ISS program discussion and previous shuttle missions, it's far too early for a precise date.

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So I'd be looking for a date around August 16. Of course this will be subject to ISS program discussion and previous shuttle missions, it's far too early for a precise date.

I think Discovery should seriously think of leaving the pad on Feb-end to help her sister Atlantis :).

As I read, Senator Bill Nelson seems to have viewed some opinion on STS-135 based on the delays with STS-133.

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NASA Press Release:

Space Shuttle Program baselines STS-135
Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:20:22 PM CST

On Thursday, the Space Shuttle Program baselined the STS-135 mission for a target launch date of June 28. It is NASA’s intent to fly the mission with orbiter Atlantis carrying the Raffaello multipurpose logistics module to deliver supplies, logistics and spare parts to the International Space Station. The mission also will fly a system to investigate the potential for robotically refueling existing spacecraft and return a failed ammonia pump module to help NASA better understand the failure mechanism and improve pump designs for future systems.

In late December, the agency’s Space Operations Mission Directorate requested the shuttle and International Space Station programs take the necessary steps to maintain the capability to fly Atlantis on the STS-135 mission.

The Authorization Act of 2010 directs NASA to conduct the mission, and baselining the flight enables the program to begin preparations for the mission with a target launch date of June 28. The mission would be the 135th and final space shuttle flight.

Prepping for the next shuttle mission, STS-133, continues in the Vehicle Assembly Building at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida where technicians are making good progress in their work to modify the stringers on Discovery's external fuel tank. Discovery and its six astronauts are targeted to launch on the STS-133 mission to the International Space Station on Feb. 24.

Having been joined by their newest crew member, Steve Bowen, Discovery’s astronauts will review robotics procedures today and review spacewalk timelines at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston. Bowen, who flew into space on STS-132 in May 2010, will be the first astronaut to fly on consecutive missions.
 

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Good to have this monkey off our back finally!

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Good to have this monkey off our back finally!

Agreed. Should make OV-106 a little bit happier too :)
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Now that's out of the way, let's see if they can slip it to around August as preferenced. June 28 is still great, given the mission, but Gerst's already noted the preference if they can find the money to stretch.

I'll write up a new 135 article on processing and relevant notes when there's a gap (Russian EVA tomorrow, HTV-2 launch tomorrow etc.)

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Liftoff scheduled at 3:48pm EDT.

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A SPACE.com article says STS-135 will have one EVA. Will this be conduced by the shuttle crew or as informed earlier in the forum,  this is just an ISS EVA planned during Atlantis' visit to the ISS?

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A SPACE.com article says STS-135 will have one EVA. Will this be conduced by the shuttle crew or as informed earlier in the forum,  this is just an ISS EVA planned during Atlantis' visit to the ISS?

ISS EVA conducted by ISS crew to support ammonia pump operations.
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Steve, read the STS-135 articles on this site. The stage EVA for STS-135 was reported in August of last year!

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Long time no see. I used to visit this forum a lot before STS-128, which I visited on the causeway, but was delayed twice. Then I had to take my flight home.... I wached the launched a day later from the summerplace.

I'm sorry to say I haven't followed the progress so closely lately, so I beg your pardon, but is STS-135 a reality, or is it a "maybe"? I do want to visit a launch, so should I try for April or June?

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Long time no see. I used to visit this forum a lot before STS-128, which I visited on the causeway, but was delayed twice. Then I had to take my flight home.... I wached the launched a day later from the summerplace.

I'm sorry to say I haven't followed the progress so closely lately, so I beg your pardon, but is STS-135 a reality, or is it a "maybe"? I do want to visit a launch, so should I try for April or June?

STS-135 is a "probably", I would say.

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Thank's. I guess I have to follow more closely. I was so close at the 128, but thunder pulled the plug. Anyway, I met a lot of nice people, and was at place the causeway, watching flashes all around the bay. It was close for a launch, but half an hour before the launch, they pulled the plug. The next launch attempt the pulled the plug when I was on the bus on my way to the launch. Well, well, that's life. Anyway. I want to see another launch, for real! If it's april or june does not matter!

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Trying to understand this, maybe someone could help me. Is STS-135 the confirmed by NASA last space shuttle mission? Is there now offically 3 Space shuttle missions on the books this year? Looking at the presser released last week by NASA, I'd say yes but I've seen some places still refer to STS-135 as a 'possible' mission v. a confirmed one. I know that STS-135 isn't still funded but still, I'm a little confused.

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Given the Congressional situation, I'd never say it's a "lock" but it is on the books.


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So what about the preference of flying STS135 later in the year. How likely is a move to August, and what would be the beta cut-out around then?

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So what about the preference of flying STS135 later in the year. How likely is a move to August, and what would be the beta cut-out around then?

The "likelihood" is what it always has been. STS-135 is scheduled to launch NET 28 June 2011. The ISS program would like to fly the mission "as late as possible in the fiscal 2011 year to best meet the needs of the ISS." That is all we know.

Beta Cutout runs July 31 - August 15.
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Thanks Chris.  To be sure, FY11 ends Sept 30, 2011?

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Thanks Chris.  To be sure, FY11 ends Sept 30, 2011?

Correct, sir.  :)

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Didn't want to mess up the processing thread, but how might a government shutdown effect the status of STS-135? If internal NASA projects aren't being funded by the government, how will STS-135 get any money?

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Didn't want to mess up the processing thread, but how might a government shutdown effect the status of STS-135? If internal NASA projects aren't being funded by the government, how will STS-135 get any money?

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I don't know if a government shutdown would affect shuttle operations, but from what I understand, if they don't allocate additional funds for STS-135, NASA would simply pull the money from other parts of their budget to fly it.
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Didn't want to mess up the processing thread, but how might a government shutdown effect the status of STS-135? If internal NASA projects aren't being funded by the government, how will STS-135 get any money?

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I don't know if a government shutdown would affect shuttle operations, but from what I understand, if they don't allocate additional funds for STS-135, NASA would simply pull the money from other parts of their budget to fly it.

But if the appropriations from the other parts of their budget doesn't come in because of a government shutdown - then what? I'm having trouble understanding the situation, economics is not my strong point.

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Will STS-135 have a LON behind it is case of TPS damage?  My understanding is there are no ETs left.
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Will STS-135 have a LON behind it is case of TPS damage?

No, it will have a crew of four that will gradually go home on Soyuz if the orbiter cannot return.
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But if the appropriations from the other parts of their budget doesn't come in because of a government shutdown - then what? I'm having trouble understanding the situation, economics is not my strong point.

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Perhaps the reason you aren't getting many answers is that the true answer is complex and probably largely unknown.  Contractors may have contract money and other resources to keep going, and some NASA employees may even be considered "critical" and also keep going.  But the numbers depend on the details of the situation.  If it happened while the orbiter was in orbit, there's no way in the world that operations would shut down and strand those folks, but it's probably less clear as to what would happen if the launch had not yet occurred.  I suspect that the closer it was to launch time the more likely the launch would happen, but it's just a guess.

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No, it will have a crew of four that will gradually go home on Soyuz if the orbiter cannot return.

Will the shuttle bring up seat-liners for Soyuz or will they come up in Progress if needed?

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No, it will have a crew of four that will gradually go home on Soyuz if the orbiter cannot return.

Will the shuttle bring up seat-liners for Soyuz or will they come up in Progress if needed?

They will come up on the Shuttle, along with the crew's Sokol suits.
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Another article, covering STS-135's status, processing flow, ET modifications and quotes from Wayne Hale on the stringers, per interview with our own Philip Sloss:

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2011/03/sts-135-atlantis-smooth-flow-et-138-mods-hale-stringers/

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No, it will have a crew of four that will gradually go home on Soyuz if the orbiter cannot return.

Will the shuttle bring up seat-liners for Soyuz or will they come up in Progress if needed?

They will come up on the Shuttle, along with the crew's Sokol suits.

What is the possibility of putting seats and life support in the Dragon COTS2 capsule to retrieve the stranded crew? I know it's extremely unlikely, just is it technically feasible?

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No, it will have a crew of four that will gradually go home on Soyuz if the orbiter cannot return.

Will the shuttle bring up seat-liners for Soyuz or will they come up in Progress if needed?

They will come up on the Shuttle, along with the crew's Sokol suits.

What is the possibility of putting seats and life support in the Dragon COTS2 capsule to retrieve the stranded crew? I know it's extremely unlikely, just is it technically feasible?
No there isn't any developed equipment that can be put in Dragon, and there are no seats etc.

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Didn't want to mess up the processing thread, but how might a government shutdown effect the status of STS-135? If internal NASA projects aren't being funded by the government, how will STS-135 get any money?

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I don't know if a government shutdown would affect shuttle operations, but from what I understand, if they don't allocate additional funds for STS-135, NASA would simply pull the money from other parts of their budget to fly it.

No, a shutdown would make a cancellation almost a certainity

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Didn't want to mess up the processing thread, but how might a government shutdown effect the status of STS-135? If internal NASA projects aren't being funded by the government, how will STS-135 get any money?

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I don't know if a government shutdown would affect shuttle operations, but from what I understand, if they don't allocate additional funds for STS-135, NASA would simply pull the money from other parts of their budget to fly it.

No, a shutdown would make a cancellation almost a certainity

In what manner? STS-135 is mandated by law; NASA has committed to flying the mission and, as Orbiter states above, has stated that it will pull money from other areas to get the flight flown.
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Didn't want to mess up the processing thread, but how might a government shutdown effect the status of STS-135? If internal NASA projects aren't being funded by the government, how will STS-135 get any money?

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I don't know if a government shutdown would affect shuttle operations, but from what I understand, if they don't allocate additional funds for STS-135, NASA would simply pull the money from other parts of their budget to fly it.

No, a shutdown would make a cancellation almost a certainity

In what manner? STS-135 is mandated by law; NASA has committed to flying the mission and, as Orbiter states above, has stated that it will pull money from other areas to get the flight flown.
See recent discussion here:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=22991.0

A shutdown is where there's no funding -- no appropriations, no CR.  Only "essential services" are paid for during a shutdown and if it comes to that, we'll have to see what NASA HQ decides is essential.
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Or save yourself having to read though masses of pages of armchair politics and head right to the post that matters:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=22991.msg716698#msg716698

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Or save yourself having to read though masses of pages of armchair politics and head right to the post that matters:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=22991.msg716698#msg716698

There we go. That's more along the lines of what I was thinking.

Thanks for the post Chris B. Sometimes these discussions get so long and contrived it's hard to keep track of everything.

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A very good overview of the challenges faced by mission planners for STS-135...

Troubled STS-135 mission timeline under review - by Chris Gebhardt 

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2011/04/troubled-sts-135-mission-timeline-under-review/

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First post on this site... been intending to do this for a while.

I am desperately looking for some kind of info related to the landing times for STS-134 and STS-135. I have seen numerous launches but never watched a landing. I am planning to come down to the Cape for one or either of them after trying for a long time to work things out.

I have been told (rather brusquely, in fact) that the STS-134 landing cannot POSSIBLY be in daylight hours and WILL NOT be visible and WILL NOT be possible for anyone in the public to view, that no site near KSC will permit viewing. I need some kind of guidance as to why the attitude about this landing, and also want to know what the particulars are for 135. If I miss out on 134... there's only one left. What is the scheduling situation here?

I am determined to get down there for one of these final landings in the shuttle program, whatever it takes. Anyone have any advice as to what the possible schedules are? I know there is a good chance of delays for the 135 launch.

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"weather permitting, return for a final landing of Endeavour at the Kennedy Space Center at MET 15days 17hrs 36mins in the early morning hours of June 1."
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2011/05/sts-134-endeavour-packed-mission-overview/
This puts the landing somewhere around 2.30am on June 1st, so it probably won't be very visible. Possibility Atlantis will roll out to the pad that same night, though timelines yet to be confirmed (and they may not be able to have both happen at once). Could be an interesting day to be at KSC, though not if it all happens in the dark when its shut!

I think a daytime landing should be viewable from Titusville though in normal circumstances and think I read/saw photos implying that somewhere. Probably difficult to predict what would happen with STS-135 yet, if the July 12th was confirmed I know thats a 09:45am ish launch window, no idea on landing though.

Obviously theres always a risk that it ends up landing at Edwards if weather is bad at the Cape.

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Note however, that the runway itself is not visible from any public area. With a night landing, there'll be no lights on her until after passing the threshold and so no real chance to see the landing. The one landing I saw was in daylight and very quick! You need to know in advance which direction she'll be landing and be very observant.
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