Author Topic: Cancelled: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara  (Read 89606 times)

Offline Danderman

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #20 on: 01/12/2011 01:12 PM »
I don't think that Brazil can afford much more than Cyclone and VLS at this time, if even that. To worry about more advanced projects when these two long-standing projects aren't making much progress is probably not productive.

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #21 on: 01/12/2011 01:54 PM »
I don't think that Brazil can afford much more than Cyclone and VLS at this time, if even that. To worry about more advanced projects when these two long-standing projects aren't making much progress is probably not productive.
The 201x Brazil is not your third country of old. They are growing at chinese pace, with a better relationship of city dweller, a huge agricultural base, a very knowledgeable upper class, a new but powerful middle class, a policy of world integration and a very clear desire to be a new world power. You'd be surprised how much have they advanced and how much money there is. I've seen A380 offered in magazines for rich individuals.
But most importantly, they have bought nuclear submarines technology and the whole Rafale technology from France. Embraer is the world leader in their segment. And they even have an ISS interest. Developing a space industry is very expensive. But they will partner until they get the expertise they need. As of now it seems Argentina is the satellite partner (natural, I might say), Ukraine is the LV partners, and USA the astronaut partner, with Russia as a general consultant. I will bet pennies to dollars they will have the whole thing native in the late 202x. And, if there isn't some technological breakthrough, they will be contenders in GTO launches by 2030.

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #22 on: 01/12/2011 02:02 PM »
Actual near term progress on Cyclone-4 will resolve this question.

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #23 on: 01/13/2011 01:38 PM »
I've just thought. Nuclear powered submarines, solid LV development, the biggest oil deep ocean reserves, Venezuela's armament buys. Couldn't Brazil be buying and researching the technologies to make a submarine launched ICBM?

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #24 on: 01/13/2011 03:36 PM »
I've just thought. Nuclear powered submarines, solid LV development, the biggest oil deep ocean reserves, Venezuela's armament buys. Couldn't Brazil be buying and researching the technologies to make a submarine launched ICBM?

Maybe, but this has nothing to do with Cyclone-4, unless Brazil is planning the world's largest submarine.

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #25 on: 01/13/2011 03:49 PM »
Maybe, but this has nothing to do with Cyclone-4, unless Brazil is planning the world's largest submarine.
Sorry for going off topic.
Back on topic (sort of). I was surprised at how more light are the new Uragan-k satellites (750kg vs 1500kg), supposedly the main difference was in going with an unpressurized satellite bus. Are GSO satellites normally pressurized?

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #26 on: 01/13/2011 04:09 PM »
That's a question for a different thread.

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #27 on: 01/19/2011 07:32 AM »
http://poslezavtra.com.ua/ukraina-mozhet-sorvat-uchastie-v-mezhdunarodnom-proekte/

According to machine translation;



Lack of funding may derail Ukraine's participation in the international project "Cyclone-4. This opinion was expressed by the chairman of the Parliamentary Committee on National Security and Defense Anatoliy Gritsenko, "We have heard the chairman of the National Space Agency with respect to funding, which provided us more worried that with the current government of Yanukovych, Azarov no understanding of what the space industry", - said Gritsenko.

At the same time, he explained that "with proper approach every penny to invest in the space industry, gives 10.7 cents of profit, and this new technology, technology jobs, build export capacity." "The world is not so much space powers, and the Ukraine - one of them" - said Gritsenko, adding that our country has a positive experience participating in international projects. For example, such as Sea Launch. According to him, the second large-scale space projects is the "Cyclone-4" in which Ukraine cooperates with Brazil.

"Ukraine has been actively involved in the construction of launch site for sharing. Already formed a joint venture, our people are already working in the jungle isolated place, where the launch site is under construction, but the government has not yet been allocated funds to ensure that Ukraine has made a contribution to the authorized capital of this company, "- said Gritsenko. He stressed that under such circumstances is jeopardized by the participation of Ukraine in this powerful infrastructure projects.

« Last Edit: 01/19/2011 07:47 AM by osiossim »

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #28 on: 01/19/2011 04:04 PM »
No bucks, no Buck Rogers.

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #29 on: 02/16/2011 05:58 AM »
Yanukovych promises support to Ukrainian space rocket projects

http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=222577

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #30 on: 04/15/2011 11:38 AM »
Kyiv, Brasilia want to build international space center in Alcantara by 2014, says Azarov

http://www.interfax.com.ua/eng/main/66375/

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #31 on: 04/16/2011 12:26 AM »
Kyiv, Brasilia want to build international space center in Alcantara by 2014, says Azarov

http://www.interfax.com.ua/eng/main/66375/

This is becoming a very sad thread.

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #33 on: 07/05/2011 10:25 PM »
http://www.jasmine-galaxy.org/nano/nano-en.html

Nano-JASMINE is the technical demonstrator of JASMINE mission, and also the first space astrometry satellite mission in JAPAN. It will be launched at Aug. 2011 from Alcantara Launch Center at Brazil by Cyclon-4 rocket.

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #34 on: 07/06/2011 05:54 AM »
http://www.jasmine-galaxy.org/nano/nano-en.html

Nano-JASMINE is the technical demonstrator of JASMINE mission, and also the first space astrometry satellite mission in JAPAN. It will be launched at Aug. 2011 from Alcantara Launch Center at Brazil by Cyclon-4 rocket.

The Aug. 2011 launch date has been on this page for a long time and is completely outdated now. The ACS website talks about a maiden launch in Feb. 2012, but i guess, it will likely be later.

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #35 on: 07/06/2011 02:43 PM »
If you read the declarations of the Science and Technology Minister of Brazil here (Portuguese) on June 28th, he states that they want to review their agreement with Ukraine. The reason is that they were supposed to invest the same amount each. But currently Brazil is investing twice the amount of Ukraine.
So, according to here (Portuguese), neither Brazil nor Ukraine are currently investing enough to make the launch next year. Supposedly the Brazilians would put the infrastructure, and the Ukranians the rocket. But what I understand is that since Ukrania is not financing the rocket, the Brazilians decided to slow down their half of the investment. Not because they don't have the money, but because they feel that it's not working as an equals partnership.
Besides, the rumor today was that there's going to be a huge reorganization of the space program in Brazil. It's not clear how they will handle the civil vs military applications parts (AEB vs IAE and DCTA). But let's recall that Alcantara is a military base, too. So more sad news. A real shame since it's an amazing LV opportunity for us here in South America. in particular, the SAE-MAR small satellites of binational satellites could be launched in a Cyclone-4, thus, not depending one third countries, except for certain (albeit critical) satellite parts.
« Last Edit: 07/06/2011 02:43 PM by baldusi »

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #36 on: 12/28/2011 04:21 AM »
The Presidents of the 2 countries met again, and promised that all necessary funding will be made available. The result is that first launch is now pushed back to 2013.

There is talk of a Cyclone-5, too.

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #37 on: 03/01/2012 03:25 PM »
http://www.ria.ru/science/20120228/579311465.html

from Google Translate:


According to Alexeev, Ukrainian rockets launch now from four space centers, and the implementation of the ambitious project, "Alcantara Cyclone Space 4" will allow Ukraine in 2013 to launch a new carrier rocket "Cyclone-4" from the Ukrainian-Brazilian Alcantara space center.

« Last Edit: 03/01/2012 03:25 PM by Danderman »

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #38 on: 03/02/2012 02:59 PM »
http://34.ua/news/economic/tenders/3999-kb-yuzhnoe-zakazalo-issledovanie-pc-alkantara.html

09.02.2012

From Google Translate:

State Enterprise "Design Bureau" Yuzhnoye "  named after MK Yangel "is in talks with the airline UMZ of research and development capacity of the airport," Alcantara ".  It is reported in "Journal of Public Procurement."

The State Enterprise Design Office Yuzhnoye named after MK Yangel announced a tender for services for the organizational work on the reconnaissance survey of the existing airport runway at the launch center "Alcantara" (Federal Republic of Brazil) in order to further develop possible solutions to the aviation transportation component parts of a space rocket "Cyclone-4" on the PC, "Alcantara" AN-124 aircraft.

Participant in the negotiations is a company Aviation Transport Company "Yuzmashavia" Enterprise "Production Association Southern Machine-Building Plant. AM Makarov ".

Price, which is evaluated the performance of work is 552,336 USD. The work must be completed before December 31, 2012.

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
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