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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #20 on: 09/29/2008 02:57 PM »
According to official report today, TG-1 will be launched at end of 2010 or 2011, followed by SZ-8, 9, 10 within 2 years. And according to the official Chinese Manned space Program site revealed earlier, TG-2 and 3, as well as another 4 manned ships will be launched by 2015. The announced TG-1 life is two years. So it is reasonable to assume TG-2 and 3 will have same lifespan. Then, let me have a prediction: TG-2 launched in 2012, followed by SZ-11 and 12 in 2012 and 2013; TG-3 launched in 2014, followed by SZ-13 and 14 in 2014 and 2015. Of course, actual launches will most likely have some delays.

Does this mean SZ 8 and 9 are simply unmanned ships to test docking, or will they leave their OM's as parts of the station?

And as a matter of curiousity; which 'official Chinese Manned space Program site' do you mean?
« Last Edit: 09/29/2008 02:57 PM by lucspace »

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #21 on: 09/29/2008 03:16 PM »

Does this mean SZ 8 and 9 are simply unmanned ships to test docking, or will they leave their OM's as parts of the station?

And as a matter of curiousity; which 'official Chinese Manned space Program site' do you mean?

1. Yes, they will simply test docking.
2. http://www.cmse.gov.cn/

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #22 on: 10/03/2008 10:47 PM »
We're looking at two separate 'space station' designs, one a Shenzhou-sized vehicle (~8 tons), the other a Salyut-class vehicle (~18 tons). Since the CZ-5 heavy booster won't even begin flight tests until 2011-2, then is Tiangong the 'small' variant, and if so, how much life support can it really carry for even a minimal (2-man) crew on an extended duration mission?

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #23 on: 10/08/2008 06:23 AM »
Hi Phil,

This video has a LOT of different configurations for the Chinese spacelabs of the future.

How accurate is it ? Depends on if you trust the video, but it is claimed to be from CNSA



Some still pictures of the Shenzhou and spacelab here: http://js360.bolaa.com/forum/blogtopic_5692860_17968.html

It looks like this depiction shows two docking ports on the spacelab. Might an unmanned docking by Shenzhou be a way to deploy an EVA airlock by leaving the OM? This would enable the original lab to be devoted to science/life support systems and free up the Shenzhou OM for use during the expected multiple day trek between launch and docking, analogous to the Soyuz docking profile.

Another point; SZ uses its own engines to circulize orbit after launch. As it doesn't look like the spacelab is equipped with large engines, will an adapted, more powerfull CZ2F be used to launch it?

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #24 on: 10/09/2008 12:56 PM »
I find that last image VERY credible for this reason. One of the Chinese news stories describes work on the next version of the CZ-2F launcher for the follow-on Shenzhou-related payloads, and an expert told the reporter that the docking target, while the same mass as Shenzhou, had a larger diameter, requiring a larger-diameter shroud (and no escape tower). Voila, here we see a configuration consistent with that comment.


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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #26 on: 11/12/2008 08:33 PM »

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Beijing, Nov.11 (China Defense Mashup Report) — When China awarded people who made outstanding contributions to the Shenzhou VII manned space flight during a meeting on last Friday (Nov.07), CCTV (China Central Television Station) played a documentary, which unleashed a clip of CG video to display how China’s future “Tiangong” Space Lab to be assembled in orbit.
From http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #27 on: 11/13/2008 04:54 AM »
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Beijing, Nov.11 (China Defense Mashup Report) — When China awarded people who made outstanding contributions to the Shenzhou VII manned space flight during a meeting on last Friday (Nov.07), CCTV (China Central Television Station) played a documentary, which unleashed a clip of CG video to display how China’s future “Tiangong” Space Lab to be assembled in orbit.
From http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/

Seems there are one core module, two research modules, two Shenzhous and two cargo ships. The core module is expected to be launched before 2020.

BTW, it is not the Tiangong as the report claimed.
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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #29 on: 01/28/2009 03:53 AM »
China is moving forward really fast in the field of manned space program
with persistant trade surplus and substantial increase in wealth measured by GDP growth, probably the Chinese space program will get a budget boost and acceleration in schedule

competition is always good for technological progress, as we can see from history ;)

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #30 on: 01/30/2009 01:51 PM »
It looks like Mir.

I hope Chinese will finish copying the Soviet space program soon (not much left), and start with Apollo...

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #31 on: 02/12/2009 02:57 PM »
My understanding is that the spacelab mission coming up will have three elements:

Shenzhou 8 is the actual lab module;
Shenzhou 9 will be a cargo module/frieghter (Progress clone?) of some kind;
Shenzhou 10 will be the actual crew vehicle.

I'm not sure how the Chinese are planning to do this.  At a guess, I would assume that Sz-8 will be reused a number of times with fresh cargo vehicles and crew vehicles being sent for every mission.  The cargo vehicle might also do reboost burns to keep the lab in a stable orbit for longer.

I suspect that this probably has more to do with their lunar exploration plans - EOR practice of some kind.
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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #32 on: 02/23/2009 05:13 AM »
Here's another view of a spacelab:

http://www.sorae.jp/newsimg09/0126tiangong1.jpg

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #33 on: 02/24/2009 01:54 PM »
Here's another view of a spacelab:

Just off the top of my head, it looks a lot like an ATV, apart from the solar arrays.  I wonder if the Chinese have plans to have a 'multi-role' bus with various applications the way that the ESA apparently do with the ATV.
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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #34 on: 02/28/2009 06:05 AM »
« Last Edit: 08/29/2011 05:22 AM by Ronsmytheiii »

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #35 on: 02/28/2009 08:08 AM »
Thanks for your wonderful pics.
This is my first time to see the details of the real Tiangong-1.
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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #36 on: 02/28/2009 08:28 AM »
Video here:

v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNzQ4ODM5NDA=.html

http://player.youku.com/player.php/sid/XNzQ4ODM5NDA=/v.swf
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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #37 on: 02/28/2009 10:18 AM »
This is the model of Tiangong-1. According to the video above, the mass of TG-1 is 8.5 tons.


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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #38 on: 02/28/2009 10:54 AM »
Thanks everybody!

The see that the service module of the mini-space lab hasn't yet been attached to the crew module. We could expect a mid-2010 launch with the most of the crew module completed.

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #39 on: 02/28/2009 01:55 PM »
Cool!  The Chinese are using APAS!  I was expecting something more like the Russian Probe/Drogue system.

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