if it can explain Fermi´s Paradox (the great silence) it doesnt explain the Fermi Paradox on the question of why they havent contacted us, because its probable there would be hundreds if not thousands of civilizations on the Milky Way alone using ME Drives. In fact, we may have arrived too late to claim any other planet to us.
Quote from: cuddihy on 02/23/2011 01:37 amOk, I'll bite: how? Gravity and mass fluctuations propagate at light speed. The 'faster than light' observed effect of inertial reaction is caused by the fluctuations propagating fwd& bkwds through time along the lightcone, an effect that only works because the initial mass and the inertial reaction are symmetrical. And by that I mean they originate in the same mass at the same location in space-time. So how does this in any way allow FTL communication that is not symmetrical?I don't know exactly. I'm just repeating what I've read in one of Paul's presentations. It seems I can't attach a ppt file, so I've posted the link at the bottom of my post.Relevant part:"If the Momenergy transmitted and received from the FOAM is truly instantaneous, then a means is at hand to implement an instantaneous communications link to any-where and any-when in this universe.Since this G/I communication link is via non-E&M means, and since normal metals and dielectrics do not shield G/I disturbances, these G/I communication links could be received underwater or on the other side of the world"If this is true, doesn't it have implications for Fermi's paradox?http://www.cphonx.net/weffect/Stair-Steps-to-Stars-5-6.ppt
Ok, I'll bite: how? Gravity and mass fluctuations propagate at light speed. The 'faster than light' observed effect of inertial reaction is caused by the fluctuations propagating fwd& bkwds through time along the lightcone, an effect that only works because the initial mass and the inertial reaction are symmetrical. And by that I mean they originate in the same mass at the same location in space-time. So how does this in any way allow FTL communication that is not symmetrical?
Quote from: GeeGee on 02/23/2011 02:22 amQuote from: cuddihy on 02/23/2011 01:37 amOk, I'll bite: how? Gravity and mass fluctuations propagate at light speed. The 'faster than light' observed effect of inertial reaction is caused by the fluctuations propagating fwd& bkwds through time along the lightcone, an effect that only works because the initial mass and the inertial reaction are symmetrical. And by that I mean they originate in the same mass at the same location in space-time. So how does this in any way allow FTL communication that is not symmetrical?I don't know exactly. I'm just repeating what I've read in one of Paul's presentations. It seems I can't attach a ppt file, so I've posted the link at the bottom of my post.Relevant part:"If the Momenergy transmitted and received from the FOAM is truly instantaneous, then a means is at hand to implement an instantaneous communications link to any-where and any-when in this universe.Since this G/I communication link is via non-E&M means, and since normal metals and dielectrics do not shield G/I disturbances, these G/I communication links could be received underwater or on the other side of the world"If this is true, doesn't it have implications for Fermi's paradox?http://www.cphonx.net/weffect/Stair-Steps-to-Stars-5-6.pptThanks. I still don't get it, it would still propagate at lightspeed as far as I can tell. (and how you make two UFGs 'resonant' to each other is an additional mystery to me).
(and how you make two UFGs 'resonant' to each other is an additional mystery to me).
Now think about driving a toroidal ring of dielectric that is bulk accelerated and driven with enough ac power (dP/dt) to evoke the M-E wormhole term that in turn creates a nano-to-micro OD wormhole at the center of this toroid with its destination in space and time at X & Y. Next aim a modulated laser beam into your end of the wormhole while having your partner put a laser receiver at the other end of the wormhole. You will note that just a few nano seconds is used for the laser beam to traverse the wormhole no matter where or when in the universe the wormhole exit and reciever may be placed.
I vote for Mike Lorrey's Fermi Pardox solution D. ("D) The use of active high powered radio wave transmissions by intelligent species is a short-lived phase of technological development lasting 100-200 years on average") ... To be replaced by near instantaneous M-E wormhole comm links...
Quote from: cuddihy on 02/23/2011 02:38 am(and how you make two UFGs 'resonant' to each other is an additional mystery to me).It's my understanding that the FCC regulates spark gap radio transmitters because they cause too much interference to more sophisticated communications systems, exactly because they don't use resonance. (EG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-wideband#Regulation).Imagine some interstellar equivalent of the FCC coming here to investigate why we're suddenly broadcasting all that interference.Quote from: Star-Drive on 02/23/2011 04:48 amNow think about driving a toroidal ring of dielectric that is bulk accelerated and driven with enough ac power (dP/dt) to evoke the M-E wormhole term that in turn creates a nano-to-micro OD wormhole at the center of this toroid with its destination in space and time at X & Y. Next aim a modulated laser beam into your end of the wormhole while having your partner put a laser receiver at the other end of the wormhole. You will note that just a few nano seconds is used for the laser beam to traverse the wormhole no matter where or when in the universe the wormhole exit and reciever may be placed.OK, that sounds more like point-to-point, ie equivalent to a fibre optic cable rather than broadcast.But I don't understand how you determine where the far end of the wormhole comes out (X & Y).cheers, Martin
Quote from: MP99 on 02/23/2011 06:39 amQuote from: Star-Drive on 02/23/2011 04:48 amNow think about driving a toroidal ring of dielectric that is bulk accelerated and driven with enough ac power (dP/dt) to evoke the M-E wormhole term that in turn creates a nano-to-micro OD wormhole at the center of this toroid with its destination in space and time at X & Y. Next aim a modulated laser beam into your end of the wormhole while having your partner put a laser receiver at the other end of the wormhole. You will note that just a few nano seconds is used for the laser beam to traverse the wormhole no matter where or when in the universe the wormhole exit and reciever may be placed.OK, that sounds more like point-to-point, ie equivalent to a fibre optic cable rather than broadcast.But I don't understand how you determine where the far end of the wormhole comes out (X & Y).cheers, MartinWell the simple answer to what determines the far end is that you have to go out *there* and set up another stargate where you want the far end to be.
Quote from: Star-Drive on 02/23/2011 04:48 amNow think about driving a toroidal ring of dielectric that is bulk accelerated and driven with enough ac power (dP/dt) to evoke the M-E wormhole term that in turn creates a nano-to-micro OD wormhole at the center of this toroid with its destination in space and time at X & Y. Next aim a modulated laser beam into your end of the wormhole while having your partner put a laser receiver at the other end of the wormhole. You will note that just a few nano seconds is used for the laser beam to traverse the wormhole no matter where or when in the universe the wormhole exit and reciever may be placed.OK, that sounds more like point-to-point, ie equivalent to a fibre optic cable rather than broadcast.But I don't understand how you determine where the far end of the wormhole comes out (X & Y).cheers, Martin
However, lets imagine that alien cultures develop much like current futurists project our own culture will develop: some time in the 21st or 22nd centuries <snip>(Greg Egan's novel Accelerando is a good portrayal of some features of this threat.)
Quote from: aceshigh on 02/23/2011 01:44 amlol, it seems you wrote it directly to GoatGuy, expecting me to copy your answer and post there. Gee, you could cut me the trouble and post directly there, haha.Sorry aceshigh, NextBigFuture does bad things to my IE. I try to stay away.
lol, it seems you wrote it directly to GoatGuy, expecting me to copy your answer and post there. Gee, you could cut me the trouble and post directly there, haha.
get rid of IE. You wont regret.
And what about those intelligent civilizations who are walking upright but still living in caves, and looking at the night sky with wonder? We can't see them and they can't see us.
(Greg Egan's novel Accelerando is a good portrayal of some features of this threat.)
On another thread, someone posted that recent modeling suggests high powered radio wave transmissions get lost in the background noise after just 3 to 4 lightyears. Which would:
...I thought SETI was actually assuming that already and was looking for non-stray transmissions, instead. Surely a tight beam aimed at nearby stars wouldn't get drowned out so quickly?
Well the example used in the calculator required some pretty big & powerful equipment to both send and detect a tight beam at 20 LY.If the criteria now includes the alien civilization has to be making a massive effort to communicate, and is within say 100 LY, and has targeted our system, then there could be thousands in our galaxy, and we still wouldn't know.
The Kepler results actually suggest this. Although it has found many planets, even the Earth-sized ones found are much less dense than rocky planets. The preliminary data suggests that even small planets tend to be miniature gas or ice planets rather than rocky planets. If rocky planets are rare, complex life is rare as well.
The Kepler Mission begins to collect data immediately after launch and checkout and begins to produce results in a progressive fashion shortly thereafter. 1. The first results come in just a few months when the giant inner planets are seen, those with orbital periods of only a few days. 2. Objects that are in Mercury-like orbits of a few months are detected within the first year. 3. Earth-size planets in Earth-like orbits require nearly the full lifetime of the four year mission, although in some cases three transits are seen in just a little more than two years. Other results that require the full four years of data are: 4. Planets as small as Mercury in short period orbits, which utilizes the addition of a dozens or more transits to be detectable; and 5. The detection of giant-inner planets that do not transit the star but do periodically modulate the apparent brightness due to reflected light from the planet.
Kepler launched in 2009, and the soonest we anticipate announcing an Earth-size planet orbiting a Sun-like star would be sometime in 2012-2013.