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http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2014/06/spacexs-reisman-next-giant-leap-dragon-v2/

Article one from Helo's great video of the post Dragon V2 event. Standalone thread, to allow posts specific to what Dr. Reisman covered and to allow us to build threads to spread the load.
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Good article. On the issue of downselect, it is possible that the downselect will not happen right away. CCtCap allows for downselect in a later phase of CCtCap.   

See this link:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=32412.msg1186622#msg1186622
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http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2014/06/spacexs-reisman-next-giant-leap-dragon-v2/

Article one from Helo's great video of the post Dragon V2 event. Standalone thread, to allow posts specific to what Dr. Reisman covered and to allow us to build threads to spread the load.

Great article, Chris!  That is a very solid narrative working in the technical facts we know, especially the Reisman-confirmed subset, while leaving more of what we now know to be expanded from the great interview our very own intrepid reporter Helodriver brought back from Hawthorne.

I really like your approach of doing a series of articles on the DV2, and expect them to be far ahead of the mainstream space press for technical content and veracity after you are complete in the next week or two.

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Chris- Awesome article.  NASASpaceflight.com continues to stay ahead of the power curve WRT to timely and accurate Space reporting!  Thanks.

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Thanks guys! All I need is content, tank up on sandwiches and I'll write 'till my fingers drop off! ;D

And yes, the downselect isn't an immediate threat and it's good they are holding back on that as much as possible. It's going to come at some point, however, sadly.
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Thanks guys! All I need is content, tank up on sandwiches and I'll write 'till my fingers drop off! ;D

And yes, the downselect isn't an immediate threat and it's good they are holding back on that as much as possible. It's going to come at some point, however, sadly.
Great article Chris! :) Kudos to Helodriver for asking great questions and getting some nice new info... ;)
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Very good article Chris, and YES!! - Helodriver did a great job at the V2 event.   
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Really enjoyed that. Didn't know they will try the Soyuz/Progress six hour rendezvous!

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And yes, the downselect isn't an immediate threat and it's good they are holding back on that as much as possible. It's going to come at some point, however, sadly.

Yes, I agree. I am hoping that they will not downselect until they award CRS2. CRS2 awards were originally planned for February 2015 but it might get pushed by a few months (probably to mid-2015).  The logic for delaying downselection until at least mid-2015 would be to provide continuity for new CRS2 entrants (Boeing and SNC).

P.S. The due date for the proposals for CRS2 was pushed by 4 months. So it's logical to assume that the award date for CRS2 will also get pushed by 4 months. See this thread:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=34093.msg1203648#msg1203648
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And yes, the downselect isn't an immediate threat and it's good they are holding back on that as much as possible. It's going to come at some point, however, sadly.

Yes, I agree. I am hoping that they will not downselect until they award CRS2. CRS2 awards were originally planned for February 2015 but it might get pushed by a few months (probably to mid-2015).  The logic for delaying downselection until at least mid-2015 would be to provide continuity for new CRS2 entrants (Boeing and SNC).

P.S. The due date for the proposals for CRS2 was pushed by 4 months. So it's logical to assume that the award date for CRS2 will also get pushed by 4 months. See this thread:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=34093.msg1203648#msg1203648

That would be pretty good, but it's been intimated to me that they would rather downselect and increase funding as the IOC date is the priority.

And they'd be right. Why part fund three when they could look to accelerate two.
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Garrett Reisman retweeted the article! ;D
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Garrett Reisman retweeted the article! ;D

Gotta love all the public NSF love by SpaceX'ers recently! :D

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Very good info. 

I still tend to think that Elon plans to push the schedule up as much as humanly possible, in order to take advantage of the current Russian issues. 
I think I remember a quote from Elon awhile back that said once the crew version of Dragon was ready, they'd retire the old Dragon so they could fly just one craft, in a cargo and crew version.  The animation showed a v1 Dragon at the ISS when the V2 gets there, but that could just be for reference.  So you can see how the two are different.  Especially since the V1 dragon still has it's pop out solar panels which I though they were planning on going away from in the near future?

So, I wonder if we'll see a V2 dragon on a COTS mission in the near future, rigged with a life support system, and landing propulsively.  Then a presser where Elon comes out and says something like, "That Dragon V2 that just landed was fully capable of carrying a crew and returning them safely to Earth.  As soon as we finish adding the crew access arm to the tower at LC-39A, and finish our pad abort test of the LAS system (in X-amount of time) , there'd be absolutely no reason for another US crew to fly on a Russian Soyuz." 
Which would undoubtedly cause a flurry of press and political questions to start being asked.  And none of the other two commercial crew condendors could be ready that soon, as they are chugging along at the rate of the NASA milestone awards.

Elon seems to like to stir the pot like that.
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Garrett Reisman retweeted the article! ;D

Gotta love all the public NSF love by SpaceX'ers recently! :D

Guess we'll all have to chip in on that  pony for Chris ;)
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Garrett Reisman retweeted the article! ;D

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Thanks guys! All I need is content, tank up on sandwiches and I'll write 'till my fingers drop off! ;D

And yes, the downselect isn't an immediate threat and it's good they are holding back on that as much as possible. It's going to come at some point, however, sadly.

At a later point though, the programs will be more advanced with some spectacular testing done and on YouTube, and one can only hope that could result in shaking loose additional funding.

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Very good info. 

I still tend to think that Elon plans to push the schedule up as much as humanly possible, in order to take advantage of the current Russian issues. 
I think I remember a quote from Elon awhile back that said once the crew version of Dragon was ready, they'd retire the old Dragon so they could fly just one craft, in a cargo and crew version.  The animation showed a v1 Dragon at the ISS when the V2 gets there, but that could just be for reference.  So you can see how the two are different.  Especially since the V1 dragon still has it's pop out solar panels which I though they were planning on going away from in the near future?

So, I wonder if we'll see a V2 dragon on a COTS mission in the near future, rigged with a life support system, and landing propulsively.  Then a presser where Elon comes out and says something like, "That Dragon V2 that just landed was fully capable of carrying a crew and returning them safely to Earth.  As soon as we finish adding the crew access arm to the tower at LC-39A, and finish our pad abort test of the LAS system (in X-amount of time) , there'd be absolutely no reason for another US crew to fly on a Russian Soyuz." 
Which would undoubtedly cause a flurry of press and political questions to start being asked.  And none of the other two commercial crew condendors could be ready that soon, as they are chugging along at the rate of the NASA milestone awards.

Elon seems to like to stir the pot like that.
Elon mentioned, post D2 announcement I believe, that they do intend to phase out D1 over the next few years and have D2 provide both functions. Until D2 is ready though, they will continue to develop both D1 & D2 separately.
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Garrett Reisman retweeted the article! ;D

That's awesome!

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Reading Dr. Reisman's enlightning article, I am pretty sure NASA will say: "Show me the Dragon..."
And secondly, I now believe all that shutting down Space Shuttle program has been an intelligent decision...

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And yes, the downselect isn't an immediate threat and it's good they are holding back on that as much as possible. It's going to come at some point, however, sadly.

Yes, I agree. I am hoping that they will not downselect until they award CRS2. CRS2 awards were originally planned for February 2015 but it might get pushed by a few months (probably to mid-2015).  The logic for delaying downselection until at least mid-2015 would be to provide continuity for new CRS2 entrants (Boeing and SNC).

P.S. The due date for the proposals for CRS2 was pushed by 4 months. So it's logical to assume that the award date for CRS2 will also get pushed by 4 months. See this thread:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=34093.msg1203648#msg1203648

That would be pretty good, but it's been intimated to me that they would rather downselect and increase funding as the IOC date is the priority.

And they'd be right. Why part fund three when they could look to accelerate two.

In the FY 2015 Budget, the Administration indicated that it was looking into extending CCiCap into FY 2015. So obviously, there is a willingness to delay downselection into FY 2015. See this link:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=34177.msg1170708#msg1170708

See also this link where the commercial crew office says that it is trying to coordinate CCtCap and CRS2:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=34093.msg1189882#msg1189882

Downselecting this summer could mean less competition for CRS2 in 2015 which is not in NASA's best interest in my opinion. I am guessing that the downselection issue is still being debated between Congress and the Administration.
« Last Edit: 06/03/2014 07:27 pm by yg1968 »

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