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Is Shackleton Crater big enough ?
« on: 03/14/2007 07:29 am »
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=22108

Is this a joke ?

"we expect to be open for business in LEO in the 2015 timeframe. With a novel new and aggressive international program, we estimate the cost to be about $15 billion"

This is really "novel new" news !

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Re: Is Shackleton Crater big enough ?
« Reply #1 on: 03/14/2007 11:17 am »
or how to complicate something already difficult....

LEO propellant depot: great idea
bringing all the propellant from the moon: stupid ?

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Re: Is Shackleton Crater big enough ?
« Reply #2 on: 03/14/2007 04:27 pm »
I'd rather see this than not at all.

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Re: Is Shackleton Crater big enough ?
« Reply #3 on: 03/14/2007 05:22 pm »
me too, but it's going to be difficult enough operating a propellant depot from earth and making it cost effective, and they want to bring it all from the moon ? they're asking for trouble

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Re: Is Shackleton Crater big enough ?
« Reply #4 on: 03/14/2007 06:03 pm »
soooo...this guy is going to go to the moon....find the materials needed....build the infastructure to process the material on the moon and then send it to a station in earth orbit....by 2015????????
If this guy could do it, I would say put him in charge of NASA...no wait....elect him PRESIDENT!!!

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Re: Is Shackleton Crater big enough ?
« Reply #5 on: 03/14/2007 09:47 pm »
What is the price per lb of lox in LEO? What does it cost to mfg and ship from Earth's surface? What does it cost to mfg and ship from the Moon's surface? Apparently Dr. Stone's math says he can make money. We shall see.
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RE: Is Shackleton Crater big enough ?
« Reply #6 on: 03/15/2007 08:10 am »
>>Stone also indicated "this endeavor will require a paradigm shift in thinking and execution where risk is managed at a much different level than any government could tolerate<<

High risk in thinking is one thing. Many governments "tolerate" this.

High risk in execution is a different proposal. "The Shackleton Energy Company" lunar mining - barely survivable ?

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Re: Is Shackleton Crater big enough ?
« Reply #7 on: 03/15/2007 11:32 am »
Found this on wikipedia, thought it might be interesting to look at in this context.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/be/Deltavs.jpg

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RE: Is Shackleton Crater big enough ?
« Reply #8 on: 03/15/2007 02:21 pm »
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renclod - 15/3/2007  5:10 AM

>>Stone also indicated "this endeavor will require a paradigm shift in thinking and execution where risk is managed at a much different level than any government could tolerate<<

High risk in thinking is one thing. Many governments "tolerate" this.

High risk in execution is a different proposal. "The Shackleton Energy Company" lunar mining - barely survivable ?

Anyone can start a company, getting venture capital thats the hard part. I too don't see a lot of hope in this.
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Re: Is Shackleton Crater big enough ?
« Reply #9 on: 03/15/2007 06:36 pm »
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Norm Hartnett - 14/3/2007  6:47 PMWhat is the price per lb of lox in LEO? What does it cost to mfg and ship from Earth's surface? What does it cost to mfg and ship from the Moon's surface? Apparently Dr. Stone's math says he can make money. We shall see.

In this "The Space Show" episode http://www.thespaceshow.com/detail.asp?q=678 . Dallas Bienhoff qoutes a price somewhere in the neighborhood of 6,000 to 10,000 dollars per kilo to LEO (Based on SpaceX figures of a Falcon 9 launch). It's a pretty informative episode with regards to this subject.

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