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Title: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign - Now in work, see new thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 01/13/2017 07:04 PM
Some very much WIP views (a lot of work in the backbone and then started adding content - which you'll note is not actual content, just test content). Mark's allowing me to share to show how it'll still be the NSF you know and love, but cleaner and updated.

Note this is from Mark and a mash up of some of the redesign, not one page ;) Also note the new logo....the compromise and update that is still NSF, but not with a massive NASA, more subtle.

So click on the image. Bottom right is what one page will look like. Logo expanded in top right. Example of how the logo fits a design in the top left. Two forum pages shown bottom left.

Oh and there's a mobile version that is pretty amazing. Not some smaller view of the desktop site, an actual site that is NSF but in mobile form. It's very clever.
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: pippin on 01/13/2017 07:33 PM
Love the design and especially the logo!
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: pippin on 01/13/2017 07:34 PM
One question: is this a responsive design for tablets/phones, too?
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: Chris Bergin on 01/13/2017 07:36 PM
One question: is this a responsive design for tablets/phones, too?

The backbone (had no images, just boxes at this stage) for the phone version is a different layout that reminded me what the BBC site when viewed through a phone. So hard to describe without showing a graphic (which will be forthcoming), but I think you'll all be very pleased.

For instance, the top menu on the desktop news site is a drag down menu on the mobile version. Good for people with fat fingers (i.e. me).
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: NSF Webmaster on 01/13/2017 07:40 PM
One question: is this a responsive design for tablets/phones, too?

The backbone (had no images, just boxes at this stage) for the phone version is a different layout that reminded me what the BBC site when viewed through a phone. So hard to describe without showing a graphic (which will be forthcoming), but I think you'll all be very pleased.

For instance, the top menu on the desktop news site is a drag down menu on the mobile version. Good for people with fat fingers (i.e. me).

Yeah the goal (at least for the news site) is to have a fully responsive design. The forum might come a bit later as that's a lot more work.


Mark
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: pippin on 01/13/2017 07:40 PM
Sounds good. For the forum I mainly use Tapatalk and I usually read on iPad and that's all fine right now but articles were not optimal in the old layout in such a setup (opening them in a browser window). So if they work well in the new rd sign that would really be great!
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: pippin on 01/13/2017 07:41 PM
@Mark; thumbs up. News site is the important part, there's still Tapatalk for the forum
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: wes_wilson on 01/14/2017 05:28 PM
I like it!
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/16/2017 08:59 AM
Yes, love the new design - very clean and professional. Also fantastic news about increased mobile support. I can't be the only one who accesses the site from my phone too much!

Dare I politely enquire about a possible/approximate, er, launch date for the new design?
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: mtakala24 on 01/16/2017 12:17 PM
Mobile support looks fantastic. I just hope that it will have all the features that the full site does, instead of just removing features to fit on the screen.
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: Urx on 01/17/2017 07:08 PM
Personally I find the existing logo more pleasing.

Is it OK to add wishes? If so: To me any sort of animation is highly distractive - and the current news page has two of these thingies: The changeing pictures (unacceptable -> removed via a rule to my adblocker) and the scroll line (barely acceptalbe). Showing them to L2 members is also useless. So for L2 members please either remove it or at least change the link from the L2 subscription page to the specific page that the particular image or headline is referring to.
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: Chris Bergin on 01/17/2017 07:12 PM
Yep, suggestions welcome.

The L2 ticker is going. It's been removed from the forum and will be gone from the news site. L2 is too massive to accurately show what's in it, so it served its purpose back in the day.

Removing ads for L2 members doesn't work, as the site only sees you as L2 when logged in (the forum), plus our ads are industry related (like ATK, Novatech).

However, we will be doing better with the "random" ad, which is google. I would prefer Amazon Books (space books) or something where it's more tailored. The google ads have nothing to do with the site's content these days. That'll be changed.
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: Martin FL on 01/23/2017 01:33 PM
Looks nice! When do we get it?
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: catdlr on 01/24/2017 04:53 AM
Looks nice! When do we get it?

Will all known it's soon when Chris moves this thread to the Live Event Section.  ;)
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Post by: moralec on 01/24/2017 03:57 PM
This is great guys! Looking forward!
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: mikelepage on 03/15/2017 08:19 AM
Great work guys!  Looking forward to the update.

About that forum though.  ;) I can understand the reluctance to modify the forum because, even as sprawling as it is, I'm guessing it's one of the biggest "stickiness" factors for the website as is.

One approach that might be the most painless is to leave the basic structure as is, but make it much easier to find threads that allow users to discuss what they want to discuss.  This could be a two step procedure:
1) allow forum users/mods to tag threads with a number of pre-defined tags in a set number of categories (see below).
2) create a universal sort function at the top of the main thread page (or directly below the L2 section threads) that will allow users to filter for certain tags.

What categories?
Well the way I figure it, there's a relatively few (4?) themes with which you could categorise the threads in the forum to make it much easier to navigate:

1) By destination object (choose object Moon, Mars, Jupiter, all planetary bodies, etc) or region (LEO, GEO, LLO, SEL2, all orbital regions etc), or leave undefined.

2) By space agency (choose NASA, ESA, JAXA, all government agencies etc), or space company (SpaceX, ULA, Blue Origin, or all private companies, etc) or leave undefined.

3) By scientific objective (astrobiology, solar system/stellar observations, human space flight health, all scientific objectives, etc) or commercial objective (telecommunications, space tourism, asteroid mining, all commercial objectives, etc) or leave undefined.

4) By time period (for real-life historical, current day activities/news, future within planning horizon, far future, all time periods) or popular culture relevance (for polls, discussion of science fiction, and other uncategorised/uncategorisable but relevant material), or leave undefined.

So beside each thread would be an option to "tag this thread" which would give you a dialogue box with a set of 4 or 8 drop-downs: each of which contains a standard set of tags (one of which is a catch-all type tag) that the user base can go through the hundreds of threads in the forum and categorise all threads with relevant tags.

Then, using the filters on the main page is basically an advanced search function, showing you lists of threads as you would see within each section, but tagged with the tags you chose in the filters.

Hopefully makes sense... Good luck however you choose to tackle it.  :)
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: Kasponaut on 03/15/2017 09:04 AM
When will this big update arrive? 😊
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: TripD on 03/18/2017 01:26 AM
Me likes!  Simple, stylish and expresses the concept very well imho.

But, does it come with cup holders?
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: topo334 on 03/18/2017 01:38 AM
I particularly like the dog latin text simulation in the display example, which for some reason is known to layout artists as "greeking".
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: Chris Bergin on 03/18/2017 01:49 AM
When will this big update arrive? 😊

Probably needs a lot of testing, but this year for sure.

Me likes!  Simple, stylish and expresses the concept very well imho.

But, does it come with cup holders?

No, but it does have extra cowbell ;D
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign - Now in work, see new thread
Post by: Rei on 04/03/2017 08:29 AM
What categories?
Well the way I figure it, there's a relatively few (4?) themes with which you could categorise the threads in the forum to make it much easier to navigate:

1) By destination object (choose object Moon, Mars, Jupiter, all planetary bodies, etc) or region (LEO, GEO, LLO, SEL2, all orbital regions etc), or leave undefined.

2) By space agency (choose NASA, ESA, JAXA, all government agencies etc), or space company (SpaceX, ULA, Blue Origin, or all private companies, etc) or leave undefined.

3) By scientific objective (astrobiology, solar system/stellar observations, human space flight health, all scientific objectives, etc) or commercial objective (telecommunications, space tourism, asteroid mining, all commercial objectives, etc) or leave undefined.

4) By time period (for real-life historical, current day activities/news, future within planning horizon, far future, all time periods) or popular culture relevance (for polls, discussion of science fiction, and other uncategorised/uncategorisable but relevant material), or leave undefined.

So very in agreement with this. Especially #1. It's so weird, whenever there's a discussion of, say, Venus here. Where does it go? It's almost like the forum encourages us not to talk about it.

If there's some categories that aren't deemed enough significant enough to warrant their own section, it'd be nice to at least have catch-all sections for them. For example, if Pluto wasn't deemed significant enough to warrant a section for itself, I don't think anyone would object to a "KBOs" section. So long as there's somewhere to talk about any space topic of interest  :)

And agreed, that's a very sleek looking redesign!
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: seawolfe on 05/09/2017 04:10 PM
I like it but the logo reminds me of THAT Worm logo that EVERYONE hated..... jus' sayin' as there was much discussion about that logo when it existed with NASA.  When the "meatball" logo came back everyone that I heard talk about it couldn't wait for the "meatball".
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: gosnold on 07/05/2017 08:19 PM
What categories?
Well the way I figure it, there's a relatively few (4?) themes with which you could categorise the threads in the forum to make it much easier to navigate:

1) By destination object (choose object Moon, Mars, Jupiter, all planetary bodies, etc) or region (LEO, GEO, LLO, SEL2, all orbital regions etc), or leave undefined.

2) By space agency (choose NASA, ESA, JAXA, all government agencies etc), or space company (SpaceX, ULA, Blue Origin, or all private companies, etc) or leave undefined.

3) By scientific objective (astrobiology, solar system/stellar observations, human space flight health, all scientific objectives, etc) or commercial objective (telecommunications, space tourism, asteroid mining, all commercial objectives, etc) or leave undefined.

4) By time period (for real-life historical, current day activities/news, future within planning horizon, far future, all time periods) or popular culture relevance (for polls, discussion of science fiction, and other uncategorised/uncategorisable but relevant material), or leave undefined.

So very in agreement with this. Especially #1. It's so weird, whenever there's a discussion of, say, Venus here. Where does it go? It's almost like the forum encourages us not to talk about it.

If there's some categories that aren't deemed enough significant enough to warrant their own section, it'd be nice to at least have catch-all sections for them. For example, if Pluto wasn't deemed significant enough to warrant a section for itself, I don't think anyone would object to a "KBOs" section. So long as there's somewhere to talk about any space topic of interest  :)

And agreed, that's a very sleek looking redesign!

This so much. The current organization by launch vehicle takes away from discussion on payloads and missions. For instance, it's hard to tell when to put a topic in the space science section or in the section corresponding to the launcher. It also means to keep up to date with science missions, or communications missions, one has to read almost all the sections.
Title: Re: WIP - NSF 2017 Redesign
Post by: SkipMorrow on 07/20/2017 11:24 AM
I agree so much! Tags are the way to go.

The whole "in which forum should I post this" question is  actually why I dislike the whole forum hierarchy model that pretty much all forums use. Instead, I'm a bigger fan of the tagging system for sites like stackoverflow. You write your post and select at least one tag. For many of the posts here related to missions, you would probably add a tag for vehicle, payload, destination, and launch location, mission number, and perhaps any other unusual aspects such as stage retrieval. It probably does mean a few extra clicks for the OP for each post, but it gets easier with time.

Many of the tags would be standardized in a short period of time, and permissions can be granted to certain users for having the ability to create new tags.