I remember there being some conversation earlier in this thread about whether or not Boeing was conducting Emdrive research in secret. This aviation week article, from Nov 5th 2012, has a direct quote from a Boeig representative: http://aviationweek.com/awin/propellentless-space-propulsion-research-continuesQuoteThere has been little interest in the EmDrive in the West so far, and Shawyer's government funding has ended. Boeing's Phantom Works, which has previously explored exotic forms of space propulsion, was said to be looking into it some years ago. Such work has evidently ceased. “Phantom Works is not working with Mr. Shawyer,” a Boeing representative says, adding that the company is no longer pursuing this avenue.So I think it is safe to put to bed the idea that Boeing is working on the Emdrive. Sorry if this has been posted before.
There has been little interest in the EmDrive in the West so far, and Shawyer's government funding has ended. Boeing's Phantom Works, which has previously explored exotic forms of space propulsion, was said to be looking into it some years ago. Such work has evidently ceased. “Phantom Works is not working with Mr. Shawyer,” a Boeing representative says, adding that the company is no longer pursuing this avenue.
...I have now uploaded the complete set of all of the data slices in the 3 coordinate directions for the ez run. The link is here and I think I've solved the sharing problem so that all you should need is this link.https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1XizxEfB23tfjVmb1RiZXpaajd6WGpGQmpSWDkxRlV3cG10TEJmWVVEbTd2U0t4MC1aa1E&usp=sharing...I hope the additional data will help answer your concerns and apologize for not posting it earlier. I thought that I had an error somewhere so withheld it.Unfortunately Meep does not provide spherical coordinates.
Quote from: wallofwolfstreet on 06/23/2015 06:45 pmI remember there being some conversation earlier in this thread about whether or not Boeing was conducting Emdrive research in secret. This aviation week article, from Nov 5th 2012, has a direct quote from a Boeig representative: http://aviationweek.com/awin/propellentless-space-propulsion-research-continuesQuoteThere has been little interest in the EmDrive in the West so far, and Shawyer's government funding has ended. Boeing's Phantom Works, which has previously explored exotic forms of space propulsion, was said to be looking into it some years ago. Such work has evidently ceased. “Phantom Works is not working with Mr. Shawyer,” a Boeing representative says, adding that the company is no longer pursuing this avenue.So I think it is safe to put to bed the idea that Boeing is working on the Emdrive. Sorry if this has been posted before.Thank you for putting this issue to bed, as it keeps coming back and some people talk about "Boeing going dark" while the news you just disclosed actually sound like Boeing just turned off the lights on the project and they clearly state that such works has ceased. From the article it sounds like Boeing was disappointed with the Flight Thruster, as they stopped working with Shawyer.
I like your Chamber and I think your idea may show something of interest once you get your scales stabilized.On your Resonance chamber have you thought of inserting 2 thin copper sheets down your cavity walls forming a capped off horn as another test? Just a thought.Shell Edit.... this was for kml.
Quote from: deltaMass on 06/23/2015 05:44 pmCorrect. One can write T = P/v until the cows come home, but there's nobody able to say how something disconnected from everything in an asymptotically field-free flat spacetime can know its v-value. If it could, then Einstein's postulate of there being no preferred inertial reference frame is gainsayed, and the jig is up.However, this does work splendidly for a car tyre on a road.An EMDrive powered ship only knows A = F/M.The ship's EMDrive generates the Force, which does Work Accelerating the Mass of the ship over a distance The Energy use to do the work comes from the ship's electrical power supply via the Rf generator.The ship knows nothing of velocity or KE or distant observers in different reference planes.As long as the EMDrive can generate the Force and the power supply can deliver the Energy for the Force to do Work on the ship's Mass over a distance, the ship will Accelerate.
Correct. One can write T = P/v until the cows come home, but there's nobody able to say how something disconnected from everything in an asymptotically field-free flat spacetime can know its v-value. If it could, then Einstein's postulate of there being no preferred inertial reference frame is gainsayed, and the jig is up.However, this does work splendidly for a car tyre on a road.
Quote from: SeeShells on 06/23/2015 06:26 pmI like your Chamber and I think your idea may show something of interest once you get your scales stabilized.On your Resonance chamber have you thought of inserting 2 thin copper sheets down your cavity walls forming a capped off horn as another test? Just a thought.Shell Edit.... this was for kml.Yes, I have considered making the inside tapered in a later series of tests. Right now I'm not even concerned with the dielectric tests until I figure out what is going on with the scale.
Quote from: Rodal on 06/23/2015 06:51 pmQuote from: wallofwolfstreet on 06/23/2015 06:45 pmI remember there being some conversation earlier in this thread about whether or not Boeing was conducting Emdrive research in secret. This aviation week article, from Nov 5th 2012, has a direct quote from a Boeig representative: http://aviationweek.com/awin/propellentless-space-propulsion-research-continuesQuoteThere has been little interest in the EmDrive in the West so far, and Shawyer's government funding has ended. Boeing's Phantom Works, which has previously explored exotic forms of space propulsion, was said to be looking into it some years ago. Such work has evidently ceased. “Phantom Works is not working with Mr. Shawyer,” a Boeing representative says, adding that the company is no longer pursuing this avenue.So I think it is safe to put to bed the idea that Boeing is working on the Emdrive. Sorry if this has been posted before.Thank you for putting this issue to bed, as it keeps coming back and some people talk about "Boeing going dark" while the news you just disclosed actually sound like Boeing just turned off the lights on the project and they clearly state that such works has ceased. From the article it sounds like Boeing was disappointed with the Flight Thruster, as they stopped working with Shawyer.It was Shawyer who said it went dark and I'd give his word more weight than most on the topic. And no people don't keep dragging this up as they've taken his word on it.
Quote from: aero on 06/23/2015 06:39 pm...I have now uploaded the complete set of all of the data slices in the 3 coordinate directions for the ez run. The link is here and I think I've solved the sharing problem so that all you should need is this link.https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1XizxEfB23tfjVmb1RiZXpaajd6WGpGQmpSWDkxRlV3cG10TEJmWVVEbTd2U0t4MC1aa1E&usp=sharing...I hope the additional data will help answer your concerns and apologize for not posting it earlier. I thought that I had an error somewhere so withheld it.Unfortunately Meep does not provide spherical coordinates.The data most interesting to me is Ez on the plane perpendicular to the z axis, the plane with x and y Cartesian coordinates. It is evident from the pictures that the electric field is very low (zero a lot of the time in most of the area). Although low, these pictures may hold the key to the measured thrust, because, as we know, standing waves cannot produce thrust, but the images on Ez / z show the travelling waves from the antenna, that perhaps become evanescent waves towards the small end of the cone., or perhaps it has to do with the DC fields that are being discussed by Todd. The circular cross section views of the Ez / x field are also interesting because they show that the standing wave field is heavily perturbed by the antenna traveling waves. Perhaps there is indeed interaction from the energy stored in standing waves and the traveling waves from the RF feed.
Quote from: Star One on 06/23/2015 06:59 pmQuote from: Rodal on 06/23/2015 06:51 pmQuote from: wallofwolfstreet on 06/23/2015 06:45 pmI remember there being some conversation earlier in this thread about whether or not Boeing was conducting Emdrive research in secret. This aviation week article, from Nov 5th 2012, has a direct quote from a Boeig representative: http://aviationweek.com/awin/propellentless-space-propulsion-research-continuesQuoteThere has been little interest in the EmDrive in the West so far, and Shawyer's government funding has ended. Boeing's Phantom Works, which has previously explored exotic forms of space propulsion, was said to be looking into it some years ago. Such work has evidently ceased. “Phantom Works is not working with Mr. Shawyer,” a Boeing representative says, adding that the company is no longer pursuing this avenue.So I think it is safe to put to bed the idea that Boeing is working on the Emdrive. Sorry if this has been posted before.Thank you for putting this issue to bed, as it keeps coming back and some people talk about "Boeing going dark" while the news you just disclosed actually sound like Boeing just turned off the lights on the project and they clearly state that such works has ceased. From the article it sounds like Boeing was disappointed with the Flight Thruster, as they stopped working with Shawyer.It was Shawyer who said it went dark and I'd give his word more weight than most on the topic. And no people don't keep dragging this up as they've taken his word on it.This might be a nitpicky comment, but it didn't go dark. That implies that Boeing is still working on it, but not disclosing any information. A representative of Boeing expressly said they are not working on the emdrive. It's not dark, it's just done.Boeing is a publicly traded company. If they are working on the drive secretly, then they are beholden to simply say "no comment" if they receive enquires about it. To expressly say they are not working on it would constitute a lie, and as a publicly traded corporation, they have a legal right to be honest with the shareholders (which is different than the legal right they have to pick and choose what they disclose). Lying by commission would be legitimate grounds for a legal suit by a shareholder should they prove that they were financially impacted by trading on this false information.
Quote from: wallofwolfstreet on 06/23/2015 07:55 pmQuote from: Star One on 06/23/2015 06:59 pmQuote from: Rodal on 06/23/2015 06:51 pmQuote from: wallofwolfstreet on 06/23/2015 06:45 pmI remember there being some conversation earlier in this thread about whether or not Boeing was conducting Emdrive research in secret. This aviation week article, from Nov 5th 2012, has a direct quote from a Boeig representative: http://aviationweek.com/awin/propellentless-space-propulsion-research-continuesQuoteThere has been little interest in the EmDrive in the West so far, and Shawyer's government funding has ended. Boeing's Phantom Works, which has previously explored exotic forms of space propulsion, was said to be looking into it some years ago. Such work has evidently ceased. “Phantom Works is not working with Mr. Shawyer,” a Boeing representative says, adding that the company is no longer pursuing this avenue.So I think it is safe to put to bed the idea that Boeing is working on the Emdrive. Sorry if this has been posted before.Thank you for putting this issue to bed, as it keeps coming back and some people talk about "Boeing going dark" while the news you just disclosed actually sound like Boeing just turned off the lights on the project and they clearly state that such works has ceased. From the article it sounds like Boeing was disappointed with the Flight Thruster, as they stopped working with Shawyer.It was Shawyer who said it went dark and I'd give his word more weight than most on the topic. And no people don't keep dragging this up as they've taken his word on it.This might be a nitpicky comment, but it didn't go dark. That implies that Boeing is still working on it, but not disclosing any information. A representative of Boeing expressly said they are not working on the emdrive. It's not dark, it's just done.Boeing is a publicly traded company. If they are working on the drive secretly, then they are beholden to simply say "no comment" if they receive enquires about it. To expressly say they are not working on it would constitute a lie, and as a publicly traded corporation, they have a legal right to be honest with the shareholders (which is different than the legal right they have to pick and choose what they disclose). Lying by commission would be legitimate grounds for a legal suit by a shareholder should they prove that they were financially impacted by trading on this false information. Things do just disappear from public view, that are still worked on. Share holders understand very well the way the classified world works and what can be said and cannot be said, what can be left vague and what can be denied. Saying no comment is still a comment, some things require a non-comment. Anyway the statement that was made was constructed in such that it was effectively ambiguous, no lying required.All I'm trying to say are things are often not as black and white in this area as you seem to believe they are.
Quote from: Rodal on 06/23/2015 06:57 pmQuote from: aero on 06/23/2015 06:39 pm...I have now uploaded the complete set of all of the data slices in the 3 coordinate directions for the ez run. The link is here and I think I've solved the sharing problem so that all you should need is this link.https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1XizxEfB23tfjVmb1RiZXpaajd6WGpGQmpSWDkxRlV3cG10TEJmWVVEbTd2U0t4MC1aa1E&usp=sharing...I hope the additional data will help answer your concerns and apologize for not posting it earlier. I thought that I had an error somewhere so withheld it.Unfortunately Meep does not provide spherical coordinates.The data most interesting to me is Ez on the plane perpendicular to the z axis, the plane with x and y Cartesian coordinates. It is evident from the pictures that the electric field is very low (zero a lot of the time in most of the area). Although low, these pictures may hold the key to the measured thrust, because, as we know, standing waves cannot produce thrust, but the images on Ez / z show the travelling waves from the antenna, that perhaps become evanescent waves towards the small end of the cone., or perhaps it has to do with the DC fields that are being discussed by Todd. The circular cross section views of the Ez / x field are also interesting because they show that the standing wave field is heavily perturbed by the antenna traveling waves. Perhaps there is indeed interaction from the energy stored in standing waves and the traveling waves from the RF feed.It occurs to me that looking at some images Ez/x nearer to the small end of the frustum might be interesting. But making and looking at data sets of all of the possibilities becomes a burden. What do you think? I think I could scan the final time step (I save those fields) end to end, though. Maybe I'll just look.
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"We are not working on it" is unambiguous.
Quote from: deltaMass on 06/23/2015 08:22 pm"We are not working on it" is unambiguous.It might just be true from a certain point of view. Not to say they're still working on it, but it's easy to just rename the drive and project then say you're not working on an "EMDrive" specifically.
Phantom Works is not working with Mr. Shawyer
the company is no longer pursuing this avenue.
It is your own conclusion
and because it is not even in the original text,I call it bias and not facts
The only truth about this is: we don't know. So don't infer wrong conclusions from twisted quotes.