Is it ethical to transmit powerful radio signals?http://rockethics.psu.edu/everyday-ethics/is-it-ethical-to-transmit-powerful-radio-signals-1
Quote from: Star One on 11/16/2017 07:49 pmIs it ethical to transmit powerful radio signals?http://rockethics.psu.edu/everyday-ethics/is-it-ethical-to-transmit-powerful-radio-signals-1I'll answer that, any civilisation capable of being a threat to us should already know that we're here and have already come and sterilised the planet. As for the question of who on Earth should have the responsibility of contacting them, by the time that we get a reply back, then the people (and governments, countries etc) who originally sent the message will be long gone.
I watched that last week. If someone pays you to watch that movie, you're being ripped off.
What Happens If China Makes First Contact?As America has turned away from searching for extraterrestrial intelligence, China has built the world’s largest radio dish for precisely that purpose.https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/12/what-happens-if-china-makes-first-contact/544131/
Last month, scientists and artists beamed a message to GJ 273, a red dwarf also known as Luyten's star that lies 12.36 light-years from Earth, project team members revealed today (Nov. 16). Luyten's star hosts two known planets, one of which, GJ 273b, may be capable of supporting life as we know it.Though the message was designed to provoke a response from the hypothetical denizens of GJ 273b, the main goal in sending the communication involved laying a foundation for the future, said team member Douglas Vakoch, president of METI (Messaging Extraterrestrial Intelligence) International, a San Francisco-based nonprofit. [13 Ways to Hunt Intelligent Aliens]
I should reword that as "who might consider us as a threat".
I’ll bite - as I work around and with aquatic species for a living. We catch live crabs in Boston Harbor as feedstock for exhibit animals. However we aren’t allowed to put these crabs in exhibit to feed to large puffers etc because our Animal Care and Use Committee forbids it. Instead we have to euthanize the crabs in a two phase process that is pain free and humane to the crab. And before people say crabs can’t feel pain or have the brain capacity for complex emotions - wrong (summoning the inner Jim). Recent studies show inverts such as crabs have opioid receptors which strongly suggests sensation of pain. This is as opposed to nociception. Crabs have also amazingly shown the ability to have emotions. (I can quote scientific papers on this subject if desired). Point being? Even us lowly developed Homo sapien have evolved to learn right from wrong, even when it involves a completely alien species as compared to our own. Just ask any scientist involved with planetary protection...
by the time that we get a reply back, then the people (and governments, countries etc) who originally sent the message will be long gone.
Quote from: Dao Angkan on 11/16/2017 07:57 pmby the time that we get a reply back, then the people (and governments, countries etc) who originally sent the message will be long gone.The best way to eliminate the wait time for a reply to arrive is to send yourself with your first message. Encode your entire genome and phenome plus your memories up to today. Include instructions for building you from the data. Make persuasive case that you are harmless and could not hurt a fly.
Aliens exist, but they are hiding and purposefully trying to avoid contact with humans, says the "Zoo Theory". The thesis is an attempt to explain why humans have yet to meet or interact with intelligent life outside the planet.The theory, proposed by MIT radio astronomer John A. Ball, says that aliens out there are smarter than humans, but not yet powerful enough to take over the universe, so they monitor human activity from afar. Ball explains that they are curious enough to stop by once in a while, and that is why there are so many sightings of UFOs and alien crafts, reports the Science Examiner (SE).
What is 'Zoo Theory'?Quote Aliens exist, but they are hiding and purposefully trying to avoid contact with humans, says the "Zoo Theory". The thesis is an attempt to explain why humans have yet to meet or interact with intelligent life outside the planet.I think there are 2 possibilities we can look too, with "Zoo Theory" being one of them. The other would be that space (or specifically interstellar) travel is extremely hard. Then again our instruments might be considered "short ranged" but neither are we blind.
Aliens exist, but they are hiding and purposefully trying to avoid contact with humans, says the "Zoo Theory". The thesis is an attempt to explain why humans have yet to meet or interact with intelligent life outside the planet.
Quote from: Star One on 12/31/2017 12:01 pmWhat is 'Zoo Theory'?Quote Aliens exist, but they are hiding and purposefully trying to avoid contact with humans, says the "Zoo Theory". The thesis is an attempt to explain why humans have yet to meet or interact with intelligent life outside the planet.I think there are 2 possibilities we can look too, with "Zoo Theory" being one of them. The other would be that space (or specifically interstellar) travel is extremely hard. Then again our instruments might be considered "short ranged" but neither are we blind.I will put my cards on the deck by saying I believe Zoo Theory is the answer to the seeming galactic silence. That we are observed from afar but deemed far too primitive to communicate with.
Quote from: redliox on 12/31/2017 03:36 pmQuote from: Star One on 12/31/2017 12:01 pmWhat is 'Zoo Theory'?Quote Aliens exist, but they are hiding and purposefully trying to avoid contact with humans, says the "Zoo Theory". The thesis is an attempt to explain why humans have yet to meet or interact with intelligent life outside the planet.I think there are 2 possibilities we can look too, with "Zoo Theory" being one of them. The other would be that space (or specifically interstellar) travel is extremely hard. Then again our instruments might be considered "short ranged" but neither are we blind.I will put my cards on the deck by saying I believe Zoo Theory is the answer to the seeming galactic silence. That we are observed from afar but deemed far too primitive to communicate with.
Quote from: Star One on 12/31/2017 08:21 pmQuote from: redliox on 12/31/2017 03:36 pmQuote from: Star One on 12/31/2017 12:01 pmWhat is 'Zoo Theory'?Quote Aliens exist, but they are hiding and purposefully trying to avoid contact with humans, says the "Zoo Theory". The thesis is an attempt to explain why humans have yet to meet or interact with intelligent life outside the planet.I think there are 2 possibilities we can look too, with "Zoo Theory" being one of them. The other would be that space (or specifically interstellar) travel is extremely hard. Then again our instruments might be considered "short ranged" but neither are we blind.I will put my cards on the deck by saying I believe Zoo Theory is the answer to the seeming galactic silence. That we are observed from afar but deemed far too primitive to communicate with.Isn’t that just an easy way to explain away the fact that there is no ET? It is like saying that the proof they are out there is that we can’t see them and have had no contact? How could it be justified to look for them if they won’t let us see them?
It’s circular.Don’t you at least see the irony in what this theory is suggesting? Explain away the reason why there are no aliens by saying they are hiding from us. It seems like a means for perpetual funding & justification of the (non) science of SETIHNY to you nonetheless