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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M Launch, March 29, 2012
« Reply #20 on: 01/28/2012 06:19 pm »
More problems... ::)

This may have a knock-on effect for the SpaceX C2/C3 mission too. :(

 Only downside to this is the delay in the flight.


  There is NEVER a downside with preserving human life.
Remember Soyuz 1?

If you're not old enough to remember, I'll point out that Soviet authorities took short cuts, forced their space agency to rush
the Soyuz 1 mission, the result being the tragic demise of  Kamarov.

I'm GLAD this mission is justifiably delayed. 
I remember Soyuz 1 all to well. Fortunately, even the Soviets were able to learn from their own mistakes. That's why today no Soyuz flies without passing a very rigorous set of tests.

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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M launch - April/May 2012
« Reply #21 on: 01/28/2012 07:02 pm »
Some more info from Anatoly Zak:

"According to industry sources, a small breach in the descent module was discovered on January 23, during testing at a barometric chamber at the Check and Test Facility, KIS, of RKK Energia in Korolev. When specialists checked the interior of the descent module, they reportedly discovered that internal surfaces of the vehicle were distorted and bloated. Initial data showed that the descent module had been pressurized up to 3 atmospheres, instead of nominal 1.3-1.5 atmospheres, even though tests personnel had claimed that followed all standard procedures for during test. Such tests normally include raising of pressure in stages. The bad quality of material of the spacecraft, which had been manufactured in the summer of 2011, had also been suspected."

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/2012.html#tma04m
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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M launch - April/May 2012
« Reply #22 on: 01/29/2012 02:06 pm »
Will the delays to TMA-4M and TMA-5M launches have a ripple effect on downstream launches or will the next two ISS increments be shortened?
Thanks.

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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M launch - April/May 2012
« Reply #23 on: 01/29/2012 05:11 pm »
Will the delays to TMA-4M and TMA-5M launches have a ripple effect on downstream launches or will the next two ISS increments be shortened?
Thanks.
If you look at how the Russians handled the delays in 2011, then it would be expected that the next two ISS increments will be shortened.  This assumes that the Soyuz's for the next two increments will be ready to launch on the current schedule.

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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M launch - April/May 2012
« Reply #24 on: 01/29/2012 06:22 pm »
Some more info from Anatoly Zak:
There is no doubt that Mr.Zak is paraphrazing this message to NK forums:
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=880373#880373

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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M launch - April/May 2012
« Reply #25 on: 01/29/2012 06:49 pm »
There is no doubt that Mr.Zak is paraphrazing this message to NK forums:
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=880373#880373

Yes, Mr. Zak himself said this: ;)

"According to one posting on the web forum of the Novosti Kosmonavtiki magazine by a specialist at Korolev"
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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M launch - April/May 2012
« Reply #26 on: 01/30/2012 04:16 pm »
In theory, Dan Burbank and crew could extend their stay because their launch was delayed and the Soyuz won't reach it's 6 month limit for a while--if there is a landing window available.
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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M launch - April/May 2012
« Reply #27 on: 01/31/2012 03:46 pm »
According to AFP, we're looking at a 45 day delay to the Soyuz TMA-22 landing and TMA-04M launch. There will also be an unspecified delay to the TMA-05M launch.

http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-russia-postpone-space_1.html

Using current dates + 45 days, here's how the schedule stacks up:

Soyuz TMA-22 landing:
-Previously: Mid March
-Now: Late April

Soyuz TMA-04M launch:
-Previously: Late March
-Now: Mid May

Soyuz TMA-05M launch:
-Previously: Late May
-Now: Late June - early/mid July
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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M launch - April/May 2012
« Reply #28 on: 02/01/2012 05:26 pm »
According to A. Zak Soyuz M-04M mission will use the whole next spacecraft (# 705) and note only its descent module.

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By February 1, the decision was made to use the entirely new Soyuz vehicle (No. 705 - next in the assembly pipeline) for the upcoming mission to the ISS. Plans to cannibalize the descent module from vehicle No. 705 and integrate it with a habitation module and an instrument section from the damaged vehicle No. 704 were dropped. These two undamaged components could still be reused for a future mission, sources said.

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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M launch - April/May 2012
« Reply #29 on: 02/01/2012 06:11 pm »
Interfax reported that 2 workers died who worked at the testing facility where the capsule was overpressurized:
 http://www.interfax.ru/society/news.asp?id=228732
Ages unknown, cause of deaths unknown (supposedly stress build-up). I sure hope nobody worked in a pressurized environment and received diver's bends.

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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M launch - April/May 2012
« Reply #30 on: 02/08/2012 12:53 am »
Interfax reported that 2 workers died who worked at the testing facility where the capsule was overpressurized:
 http://www.interfax.ru/society/news.asp?id=228732
Ages unknown, cause of deaths unknown (supposedly stress build-up). I sure hope nobody worked in a pressurized environment and received diver's bends.

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/iss_soyuz_tma04m.html

 :o :o

In the meantime, two specialists involved in the botched pressure test on Soyuz reportedly died in the aftermath of the accident, likely from stress-related trauma. One independent source reported that an official responsible for the vacuum chamber, where the botched test had taken place, had been asked by the management to write a report on the accident. The official responded that he had had a day off at the time of the failure, however on the way back from work he had collapsed by the security gate to the RKK Energia campus and died instantly at the age of 59.

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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M launch - April/May 2012
« Reply #31 on: 02/08/2012 01:59 am »
Interfax reported that 2 workers died who worked at the testing facility where the capsule was overpressurized:
 http://www.interfax.ru/society/news.asp?id=228732
Ages unknown, cause of deaths unknown (supposedly stress build-up). I sure hope nobody worked in a pressurized environment and received diver's bends.

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/iss_soyuz_tma04m.html

 :o :o

In the meantime, two specialists involved in the botched pressure test on Soyuz reportedly died in the aftermath of the accident, likely from stress-related trauma. One independent source reported that an official responsible for the vacuum chamber, where the botched test had taken place, had been asked by the management to write a report on the accident. The official responded that he had had a day off at the time of the failure, however on the way back from work he had collapsed by the security gate to the RKK Energia campus and died instantly at the age of 59.


this is getting strange.
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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M launch - April/May 2012
« Reply #32 on: 02/08/2012 07:22 am »
Interfax reported that 2 workers died who worked at the testing facility where the capsule was overpressurized:
 http://www.interfax.ru/society/news.asp?id=228732
Ages unknown, cause of deaths unknown (supposedly stress build-up). I sure hope nobody worked in a pressurized environment and received diver's bends.

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/iss_soyuz_tma04m.html

 :o :o

In the meantime, two specialists involved in the botched pressure test on Soyuz reportedly died in the aftermath of the accident, likely from stress-related trauma. One independent source reported that an official responsible for the vacuum chamber, where the botched test had taken place, had been asked by the management to write a report on the accident. The official responded that he had had a day off at the time of the failure, however on the way back from work he had collapsed by the security gate to the RKK Energia campus and died instantly at the age of 59.


this is getting strange.

 ???  ;)  ???

It sounds like the Russian space industry is on the brink of switching on (government/industry) apocalypse mode at the end of 2012 from playing to much Minecraft with their TNT addicted minds while on their gaming computers instead of ... (INSERT YOUR OWN conclusion HERE).
 ;D  ;)  ;)  ;)  ;)  ;)  ;)  ;)  ???

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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M launch - May 15, 2012
« Reply #33 on: 02/08/2012 10:30 pm »
The old guys have started dropping dead been building these things so long.

I hope they've got a succession plan.  :(

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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M launch - May 15, 2012
« Reply #34 on: 02/27/2012 12:34 pm »
http://www.federalspace.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=18729

Soyuz TMA-04M (11F732A47 No. 705) has been delivered to Baikonur cosmodrome yesterday.

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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M launch - May 15, 2012
« Reply #35 on: 03/21/2012 01:21 pm »
A bit late now, but came across these two slides on the over-pressurization of Soyuz vehicle #704.  Includes location and photos of damage.  Thought they might be of interest.

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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M launch - May 15, 2012
« Reply #36 on: 03/23/2012 01:44 pm »
Randomly, I've just discovered that a similar anomaly already happened during launch preparation of Soyuz TMA-5 !!!

The pressure gradient in the vacuum chamber (max : 3kgf/cm²) had not been respected, which led to the damaging of PGA. The whole PGA had to be replaced by TMA-6's one.

It is in the third volume of RKK Energiya's official history, page 87-88.
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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M launch - May 15, 2012
« Reply #37 on: 04/05/2012 08:23 am »
crew training
« Last Edit: 04/05/2012 08:27 am by jacqmans »
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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M launch - May 15, 2012
« Reply #38 on: 04/18/2012 02:33 pm »
prime & back-up crews photos
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Re: Soyuz TMA-04M launch - May 15, 2012
« Reply #39 on: 04/18/2012 06:48 pm »
Randomly, I've just discovered that a similar anomaly already happened during launch preparation of Soyuz TMA-5 !!!

The pressure gradient in the vacuum chamber (max : 3kgf/cm²) had not been respected, which led to the damaging of PGA. The whole PGA had to be replaced by TMA-6's one.

It is in the third volume of RKK Energiya's official history, page 87-88.

Now there is a funny coincidence: Andre Kuipers went up to the ISS, on his first mission in 2004, on Soyuz TMA-4. The Soyuz after that, TMA-5 was damaged in a pressure test.
Andre Kuipers went up to the ISS, on his second mission on Soyuz TMA-03M. The Soyuz after that, TMA-04M was damaged in a pressure test.
Completely coincidental of course.

On another note: when Soyuz TMA-04M docks to the ISS, Andre Kuipers will be reunited in space with his Soyuz TMA-4 fellow crewmember Gennady Padalka.
« Last Edit: 04/25/2012 06:42 am by woods170 »

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