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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #700 on: 02/08/2013 02:30 am »
Thanks blister. Looks like someone took Charles Vick's drawing and decided to call that very large speculative launch vehicle Unha 9. However, all the photo shows of Unha 9 is that it is an Unha 3 with a first stage stretch of 2 m. It may well be that Unha 9 has a larger diameter, or it may look completely different. We probably won't know until North Korea releases some photos of the actual Unha 9 launch vehicle.

We can get some clues from the pad gantry height, and from when the VAB is built at the south end of the launch apron, where the twin rail lines run from the current pad.

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #701 on: 02/11/2013 01:21 pm »
Unha 10 from 2017 to launch geostationary satellites and crewed vehicles. Mass of 400 t.

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #703 on: 02/15/2013 02:19 am »
my new article on nk rocketry
http://science.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/12/16941504-history-provides-clues-to-next-steps-in-north-koreas-nuclear-program?lite


Jim you hearing anything about the north?   Another major thing might happen in the next couple of days.  South was reporting another nuke test possible.
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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #705 on: 02/19/2013 12:03 pm »
BBC: North Korea 'upgrading rocket launch site'

38 North: New Developments at the Tonghae Rocket Test Site

Very good link, thanks! I am interested in the claim there are two near-identical control rooms at the General Satellite Control Center outside Pyongyang. I was unaware of that and saw no indication of it on our visit, but it could account for significant architectural differences between the room I saw in April and the room imaged in Nov-Dec 2012.

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #706 on: 03/06/2013 05:58 am »
DPRK has submitted registration papers for the recently launched Kwangmyongsong 3-2 satellite to the United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs.

http://www.oosa.unvienna.org/pdf/reports/regdocs/ser662E.pdf

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #707 on: 03/07/2013 01:04 pm »
Looks like this is back in the major news again.
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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #708 on: 03/18/2013 10:27 pm »
Looking over the videos from the December launch I noticed at one point on the main screen is what appears to be a feed of what looks like it might be from a Launch control room as seen in the attached picture. is it possible this is the real functional launch control room at Tongchang-ri where the rocket/missile is actually launched from?

As far as I can tell this glimpse was only visible in one released video but did not appear in any of the other launch videos released.


« Last Edit: 03/18/2013 10:31 pm by ISNJH »

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #709 on: 03/20/2013 07:26 am »
That's quite possible ISNJH. There appears to be an actual console with buttons to push in front the launch crew, instead of just a keyboard and empty desks.
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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #710 on: 09/24/2013 01:31 am »
Has there been any latest word on whether or not Kwangmyongsong-3 is functioning? A few days after being put into orbit, Kwangmyongsong-3 was reported to be tumbling in orbit, leading some satellite watchers to speculate that Kwangmyongsong-3 might be malfunctioning. Any reports of Kwangmyongsong-3 transmitting patriotic songs praising Kim il-Sung and Kim Jong-il?

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #711 on: 09/24/2013 05:41 am »
Not a peep has been heard.
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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #712 on: 03/03/2014 04:52 am »
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Follow-up came out at Yonhap News.

N. Korea internally promoting latest long-range rocket as ballistic missile
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2013/02/04/0200000000AEN20130204003400315.HTML

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Hwasong line also includes shorter-range scud missiles, which the country has produced since the 1980's.

I think that large rocket North Korea that have been developed by the cluster of Scud missiles still.

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #713 on: 03/04/2014 03:18 am »
The Hwasong-13 missile seems to be quite a different to the Unha-3 launch vehicle. Norbert Brügge suggests that the third stage of Hwasong-13 might be from Unha-3.

http://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets_1/Diverse/KN-08/
« Last Edit: 03/04/2014 03:24 am by Steven Pietrobon »
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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #714 on: 03/22/2014 06:57 am »
Construction continues at the gantry and launch pad at the Sohae Satellite Launching Station (Tongchang-ri)

http://38north.org/2014/03/testsites031914/



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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #715 on: 07/31/2014 08:53 pm »
38North publishes new interactive reconstruction of Sohae launch pad.
http://38north.org/2014/07/sohaepano2/

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #717 on: 05/04/2015 05:37 am »
Its been over two years since their last launch. I was starting to wonder if they had abandoned the program.
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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #718 on: 10/08/2015 07:08 pm »
New 3D panorama out now on 38North showing the launch control center at Sohae
http://38north.org/2015/10/sohaepano100515/

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #719 on: 01/24/2019 06:43 pm »
I was expecting an interesting discussion of the launch vehicle and possible results in here, instead I'm just seeing hostility towards North Korea. It's a little disappointing to be honest.

Disappointing? Sorry, but that really annoyed me. You do realize the implications of this launch being a success? There's plenty of info on the vehicle in this thread, but it would be stupid to say the least not to expect some posts on the regional - and potentially global - instability such a launch would cause, when at "best" it's a communist state of oppression arm waving for international funding to "behave", which it'll only spend on building its military. At worst they are looking for a war to detract the attentions its staving and dying millions from internal problems and potential revolution.

It's disappointing if there's anyone on here 'wanting' this to be a successful launch, as the implications would be seriously bad.

It's really interesting (and hilarious) reading these old posts 10 years later. In 2009 i wonder what the reaction would be if people were told in a decades time NK would not only have nukes but also ICBM's and a working SLV.

 

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