Quote from: FinalFrontier on 05/31/2012 04:24 pmMike griffin among others, who is by the romney's space policy advisor, has been quoted as saying"well it should fly at least 6 to 7 times more before we let crew on it" ,delaying, retoric, ect. the usual.Well remember, COTS was really Mike Griffin's baby in the first place...Also, strictly interpreted, 6 more flights is where they'll likely be by the end of 2014. Since the crew test flight wouldn't happen until 2015 anyway that makes sense.
Mike griffin among others, who is by the romney's space policy advisor, has been quoted as saying"well it should fly at least 6 to 7 times more before we let crew on it" ,delaying, retoric, ect. the usual.
Quote from: Chandonn on 06/01/2012 09:08 amQuote from: punder on 06/01/2012 02:25 amWhat is the "blind squirrels" reference??Based on the cliche: "even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then"An oft-repeated Jim-ism:http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=22041.msg667671#msg667671[EDIT: that reference took some serious searching!]wow. So SpaceX will be considered "blind squirrels" until their launch success rate surpasses 90% including the first three failures. That means, if they achieve a 100% launch success here on out, the 30th launch (27th success) will be when SpaceX earns it's eyesight. Looking forward to it!
Quote from: punder on 06/01/2012 02:25 amWhat is the "blind squirrels" reference??Based on the cliche: "even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then"An oft-repeated Jim-ism:http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=22041.msg667671#msg667671[EDIT: that reference took some serious searching!]
What is the "blind squirrels" reference??
Quote from: Rocket Science on 05/31/2012 04:26 pmQuote from: FinalFrontier on 05/31/2012 04:24 pmQuote from: Rocket Science on 05/31/2012 04:15 pmQuote from: Chris Bergin on 05/22/2012 10:34 pmQuote from: Rocket Science on 05/22/2012 09:01 pmFaces today…SpaceX NASA Capitol Hill Me This party thread was made for you! Faces today Update…SpaceX NASA Capitol Hill Roscosmos Me Agreed. Mike griffin among others, who is by the romney's space policy advisor, has been quoted as saying"well it should fly at least 6 to 7 times more before we let crew on it" ,delaying, retoric, ect. the usual.Anyway does not give me alot of hope for commercial when a presidential candidate that has a fairly good chance of winning has mike griffin advising him on space policy, and griffin once again proves how much of an inaccurate he is.This mission is ground breaking, and it has really opened a new era, now sit back and watch as the usual suspects on the hill try and sabotage it. One serving of crow for the man please… I don't think Mike actually deserves a serving of crow. More like Andy Pazstor, and Sen. Shelby.~Jon
Quote from: FinalFrontier on 05/31/2012 04:24 pmQuote from: Rocket Science on 05/31/2012 04:15 pmQuote from: Chris Bergin on 05/22/2012 10:34 pmQuote from: Rocket Science on 05/22/2012 09:01 pmFaces today…SpaceX NASA Capitol Hill Me This party thread was made for you! Faces today Update…SpaceX NASA Capitol Hill Roscosmos Me Agreed. Mike griffin among others, who is by the romney's space policy advisor, has been quoted as saying"well it should fly at least 6 to 7 times more before we let crew on it" ,delaying, retoric, ect. the usual.Anyway does not give me alot of hope for commercial when a presidential candidate that has a fairly good chance of winning has mike griffin advising him on space policy, and griffin once again proves how much of an inaccurate he is.This mission is ground breaking, and it has really opened a new era, now sit back and watch as the usual suspects on the hill try and sabotage it. One serving of crow for the man please…
Quote from: Rocket Science on 05/31/2012 04:15 pmQuote from: Chris Bergin on 05/22/2012 10:34 pmQuote from: Rocket Science on 05/22/2012 09:01 pmFaces today…SpaceX NASA Capitol Hill Me This party thread was made for you! Faces today Update…SpaceX NASA Capitol Hill Roscosmos Me Agreed. Mike griffin among others, who is by the romney's space policy advisor, has been quoted as saying"well it should fly at least 6 to 7 times more before we let crew on it" ,delaying, retoric, ect. the usual.Anyway does not give me alot of hope for commercial when a presidential candidate that has a fairly good chance of winning has mike griffin advising him on space policy, and griffin once again proves how much of an inaccurate he is.This mission is ground breaking, and it has really opened a new era, now sit back and watch as the usual suspects on the hill try and sabotage it.
Quote from: Chris Bergin on 05/22/2012 10:34 pmQuote from: Rocket Science on 05/22/2012 09:01 pmFaces today…SpaceX NASA Capitol Hill Me This party thread was made for you! Faces today Update…SpaceX NASA Capitol Hill Roscosmos Me
Quote from: Rocket Science on 05/22/2012 09:01 pmFaces today…SpaceX NASA Capitol Hill Me This party thread was made for you!
Faces today…SpaceX NASA Capitol Hill Me
The TPIS vidio juxtaposing Griffin quotes with SpaceX successes is hilarious. Too bad about the typo in the title screen.My impression is that COTS was a political "bone" thrown by Griffin while he concentrated on Apollo-on-you-know-what. I don't think he actually expected all the entrants to fail, but Constellation was 99% of his ballgame and COTS was a tiny little sideshow.Wow, that's a lot of metaphors, but you see what I mean.This has been gnawed to death, but it still blows my mind how a really, really smart guy can make such a huge and destructive mistake. It happened to my company--new CEO of the parent company comes in, gets momentarily frakked at the top management of our company (which was the cash cow for the whole operation) and summarily fires them. They go form a new company that is now our dangerous competitor, and they know their stuff. Meanwhile, parent-company board realizes CEO is an (starts with i, ends with t, has dio in the middle), so he's gone. But he's left a catastrophe behind him. Same with Griffin.At the time, I thought Griffin was a perfect choice. Shame on me.
The TPIS vidio juxtaposing Griffin quotes with SpaceX successes is hilarious. Too bad about the typo in the title screen.
Quote from: punder on 06/01/2012 04:05 pmThe TPIS vidio juxtaposing Griffin quotes with SpaceX successes is hilarious. Too bad about the typo in the title screen.Which video is this??
Quote from: Lars_J on 06/01/2012 05:23 pmQuote from: punder on 06/01/2012 04:05 pmThe TPIS vidio juxtaposing Griffin quotes with SpaceX successes is hilarious. Too bad about the typo in the title screen.Which video is this??Had to look for it, too... Note: if you are referring to a post several pages back, please quote it (even if just truncated)!
Quote from: dcporter on 06/01/2012 01:12 pmThat having been said, he does usually seem to ignore the question about what will get him excited - that is to ask Jim, what's the smallest thing on their to-do list that you would consider historic? Private crew -> ISS? Retrothruster landing? 1st stage flyback? ...Mars?*microphone in face*Historic and what gets me excited is two different things. I would be excited if Spacex launched a spacecraft that I was working on. As for Spacex is plans (I am going to add to your list)Falcon 1, Falcon 9, C1, C2/3, CRS1, Private crew, Retrothruster landing, 1st stage flyback, etc are too incremental to be giddy about for one lanch. STS-1 was everything at once, not to mention the gap since ASTP. First Pegasus was cool (it was unique). First Titan IV (since I worked on the payload). Apollo missions since I was young and spaceflight was still unique. First Spacehab mission, since I was intimately involved (that was a day long blur after launch). First Atlas V, Delta IV, Falcon 9, not so much since they did not stray to far from standard rocket configurations. (after all, I have see more than 1/2 of the shuttle launches and maybe over 200 ELV launches)
That having been said, he does usually seem to ignore the question about what will get him excited - that is to ask Jim, what's the smallest thing on their to-do list that you would consider historic? Private crew -> ISS? Retrothruster landing? 1st stage flyback? ...Mars?*microphone in face*
Remember what happens when politics get thrown over here.Party thread, so no moderation, but this is not an excuse for politics. So the point (a good one) has been made, and now this is line. No politics after this post please.
Andrew - the video would probably be improved by showing shots of the astronauts opening and unloading Dragon. (the literal laundry delivery) Great job, though.